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I don't know why the general trend is so appallingly down ...surely its still the very best place to back and certainly to lay..maybe too many layers have gone bust..some markets that would have been chocker a few years ago are desperate in liquidity now.
I for one have sworn never to comeback here after backing to trade out ... and being frozen out by the collapsing of the system .. but is that the real reason?? I come back tail between my legs because how I like to bet ...there isn't a viable alternative
forum is nearly dead..used to be hilarious at times and certainly 10x volume
young punters just sitting at fobs?
end of the sharp mind??
I for one have sworn never to comeback here after backing to trade out ... and being frozen out by the collapsing of the system .. but is that the real reason?? I come back tail between my legs because how I like to bet ...there isn't a viable alternative
forum is nearly dead..used to be hilarious at times and certainly 10x volume
young punters just sitting at fobs?
end of the sharp mind??
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good point ibra...
I hadn't really factored in the influences of the take overs
can only think paddy wields a pretty sharp stick
can afford the concessions instore now hes raping here...and hence the end of the exchange as such
I hadn't really factored in the influences of the take overs
can only think paddy wields a pretty sharp stick
can afford the concessions instore now hes raping here...and hence the end of the exchange as such
Think of the money they could have made from the advertising space on the forum back in the days when it was popular.
4G arrived and there is no mention of 5G
There's enough mention of 5G. Maybe you aren't listening carefully enough.
There's enough mention of 5G. Maybe you aren't listening carefully enough.
All businesses get obsessed with takeovers, but PP made the best decision ever. That with good management could do them.
They took over a product that was stagnating, betfair had a chance to take over the tote and with their algorithms, it could had revolutionised uk betting. still massive money to be made.
Like every gigg economy companies they dont want more employees, they want a cash return.
I still reckon the Betfair idea could have little employees and make money.
They took over a product that was stagnating, betfair had a chance to take over the tote and with their algorithms, it could had revolutionised uk betting. still massive money to be made.
Like every gigg economy companies they dont want more employees, they want a cash return.
I still reckon the Betfair idea could have little employees and make money.
if betfair are telling the truth ,when you visa card reaches its expiry date you will have two choices,show them your bank account or leave betfair.
this it wrong ,and if everyone feels the same way as i do they will not comply with this rule,it is an invasion of privacy and breaks the data protection act.
but i guess they dont care if i leave,but they just might if everyone leaves and that could be a strong possibility ,but this will not be noticed because everyone has a different expiry date on their visa card and it will be a drip drip method of customers leaving.
this it wrong ,and if everyone feels the same way as i do they will not comply with this rule,it is an invasion of privacy and breaks the data protection act.
but i guess they dont care if i leave,but they just might if everyone leaves and that could be a strong possibility ,but this will not be noticed because everyone has a different expiry date on their visa card and it will be a drip drip method of customers leaving.
Aug 2, 2018 -- 10:36PM, Ibrahima Sonko wrote:
All businesses get obsessed with takeovers, but PP made the best decision ever. That with good management could do them.They took over a product that was stagnating, betfair had a chance to take over the tote and with their algorithms, it could had revolutionised uk betting. still massive money to be made.Like every gigg economy companies they dont want more employees, they want a cash return.I still reckon the Betfair idea could have little employees and make money.
This is what I said to Ken Dodd!
i have nothing to hide,i offered a letter from my bank to prove that my replacement card was the only card connected to my one and only bank account but betfair refused this and insist on a photo shot of it.My bank says its not best practice to give anyone this information.even though over the 15 years with betfair i replaced my card 4 times and had no problems ,i dont know why they want a photo but they have informed me that there will be no exceptions to this new rule and everyone will have to tell them their entire business.
i am sure Leopard over the years you had to change your visa card when it expired ,but the next time you change it9when it expires) you will be faced with the same problem.
i am sure Leopard over the years you had to change your visa card when it expired ,but the next time you change it9when it expires) you will be faced with the same problem.
i have had that problem with an expired card they say its because of money laundering and the net deposits.i created a bit of a stink and because the net deposit between deposits and withdrawals was pretty small the guy on the phone just changed it there and then but only after i made some fuss and said well just close my account
there is to much crap on the site now a lot better when it was only the exchange without all the casino bollox thats on here now
well,in my case it will be betfair that closes my account ,becaause as the expiry date arrives it will be them that stop it,i rang 3 or 4 times to register my replacement card,and one member of staff hung up on me,the second member told me she would me in the afternoon and the third member told me like it or lump it that that was the new rule and no letter from my bank will suit them,they want to see a photo my account .and its the same account that they insisted on me opening in 2003 ,and was faxed to them at the time .(thats the way it was done in those days,so they really have a photo of it.
and if they really are sincere about it all they have to do is press a button to see how i did over the 15 years,i am sure all the deposits and withdrawals are there for them,and my house address is still the same,bank account the same,betfair account still the same,user name on forum the same,telephone numbers still the same,but i guess my valued customer status must have gone down for them to be annoying an old age pensioner who's only vice is to have a few quid on a horse or football team
and if they really are sincere about it all they have to do is press a button to see how i did over the 15 years,i am sure all the deposits and withdrawals are there for them,and my house address is still the same,bank account the same,betfair account still the same,user name on forum the same,telephone numbers still the same,but i guess my valued customer status must have gone down for them to be annoying an old age pensioner who's only vice is to have a few quid on a horse or football team
"No mention of 5G" Steve you are very nearly right,there is a very good reason why they have kept it quiet, so if you just scoll down and read my 5G fred you will see why the ba$tards don't want to talk about it
There are signs betfair are recognising the exchange is in trouble by coming up with incentives aimed at the exchange exclusively, which I can't recall ever seeing before.
The first one was the money back if a back bet goes odds on and loses (only for very small money and has limited impact)
The second one could be more significant however.
Betfair have targeted 50 customers, all HRPC payers and given them allowances against the amount of PC due each winning week.
We all know that betfair implemented the 'winners tax' on the argument that losers need encouraging to continue on the exchange through advertising etc, for winners to win from. Well as emerging markets stall and the lifecycle of the exchange becomes mature, perhaps finding these losers is becoming increasingly difficult.
This could be why bf are now targeting layers who put up more than 50% of liability to 'back' bets total.
This seems acknowledgment that we layers are thinning out.
I have no problem risking liabilities, I was never a gambler before the exchanges so 'backing' is no more natural to me than laying.
The only gripe I have with the exchange, is that as the markets become weak the prices fluctuate and those opportunistic back bets set at daft levels that don't correspond at all with the developing action sometimes get matched IR, when they have no right to get matched.
The long game as has always been the case is America, if that ever materialises.
The first one was the money back if a back bet goes odds on and loses (only for very small money and has limited impact)
The second one could be more significant however.
Betfair have targeted 50 customers, all HRPC payers and given them allowances against the amount of PC due each winning week.
We all know that betfair implemented the 'winners tax' on the argument that losers need encouraging to continue on the exchange through advertising etc, for winners to win from. Well as emerging markets stall and the lifecycle of the exchange becomes mature, perhaps finding these losers is becoming increasingly difficult.
This could be why bf are now targeting layers who put up more than 50% of liability to 'back' bets total.
This seems acknowledgment that we layers are thinning out.
I have no problem risking liabilities, I was never a gambler before the exchanges so 'backing' is no more natural to me than laying.
The only gripe I have with the exchange, is that as the markets become weak the prices fluctuate and those opportunistic back bets set at daft levels that don't correspond at all with the developing action sometimes get matched IR, when they have no right to get matched.
The long game as has always been the case is America, if that ever materialises.
Brassy, if you are playing with small stakes for a bit of fun, then there is no need to deposit or withdraw any funds. Just make sure you have a good account balance when your card expires and don't register another, you can churn what you have in your account assuming you don't make steady losses. Would BF object to that?
Why should they care where the money comes from?
They must be following some legislative guidelines because no company makes it difficult for their customers to give them money.
They must be following some legislative guidelines because no company makes it difficult for their customers to give them money.
If only the Richard Koch/ CVC takeover bid had been successful - things could have been so different now..........
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/leisure/10094720/Betfair-bid-looked-an-odds-on-cert-so-how-did-it-fail.html
Mr Koch, a huge fan of the exchange model of peer-to-peer betting, had an altogether different plan for a business he had bought into in 2001, roughly a year after its launch. His £1.5m wager has already proved his “most successful investment” – better even than Filofax and Plymouth Gin. He sold 23pc of his holding to Japan’s Softbank in 2006, making a £27m pre-tax profit.
His plan for Betfair had echoes of the “Pareto Rule” that has come to shape his life since, as a 19-year-old student, he stumbled across the work of 19th-century Italian economist Vilfredo Pareto in Oxford’s Bodleian library. The rule broadly stipulates that 80pc of results come from a relatively small amount of causes – just 20pc. He has seen this everywhere, citing a historic survey from the Prudential insurer that showed “80pc of the sales were sold by 20pc of their salesmen”. Fifteen years ago, he wrote a book, The 80/20 Principle, which has sold more than 1m copies.
The principle, he insists, goes just as well for Betfair’s 900,000 customers. “One thing that relates to the book is that it is usually a small amount of customers that accounts for a large proportion of your profitability,” he says.
So he advocated cutting customer numbers to focus on the big fish, not the minnows. That would have allowed a drastic cut to the annual marketing budget – from £90m-£100m to just £20m – as Betfair stopped trying to lure tiddlers interested only in £10 free bets. “You have to focus on the core customers and provide new products for them,” he says.
Mr Koch, a huge fan of the exchange model of peer-to-peer betting, had an altogether different plan for a business he had bought into in 2001, roughly a year after its launch. His £1.5m wager has already proved his “most successful investment” – better even than Filofax and Plymouth Gin. He sold 23pc of his holding to Japan’s Softbank in 2006, making a £27m pre-tax profit.
His plan for Betfair had echoes of the “Pareto Rule” that has come to shape his life since, as a 19-year-old student, he stumbled across the work of 19th-century Italian economist Vilfredo Pareto in Oxford’s Bodleian library. The rule broadly stipulates that 80pc of results come from a relatively small amount of causes – just 20pc. He has seen this everywhere, citing a historic survey from the Prudential insurer that showed “80pc of the sales were sold by 20pc of their salesmen”. Fifteen years ago, he wrote a book, The 80/20 Principle, which has sold more than 1m copies.
The principle, he insists, goes just as well for Betfair’s 900,000 customers. “One thing that relates to the book is that it is usually a small amount of customers that accounts for a large proportion of your profitability,” he says.
So he advocated cutting customer numbers to focus on the big fish, not the minnows. That would have allowed a drastic cut to the annual marketing budget – from £90m-£100m to just £20m – as Betfair stopped trying to lure tiddlers interested only in £10 free bets. “You have to focus on the core customers and provide new products for them,” he says.
the problem with the new visa cards is that all banks are updating their cards to a new contactless card(a card that allows you the purchase anything up to 30 quid without using a pin number)to do this and enhance security all replacements visa cards are issued with a new set of numbers.When the holder of the card uses it for the first time on any bill or purchase the card becomes activated .Once the card is activated the banks allow 30 days of use on the old card before the old card is withdrawn from circulation by the banks.
because betfair are refusing to recognise the replacement card (with a new set of numbers) the old card becomes inactive and the new card is not registered.
The banks say its a threat to their security if they dont change the numbers while betfair say it is a threat to their security if the numbers are changed(because of money laundering).so the clock is ticking on betfairs future as the banks start to withdraw the old cards ,and betfair are standing firm and insisting on a screen shot of all bank accounts of customers.no doubt it will end up in the high court ,but by then betfair will have lost all their customers.imvho.
because betfair are refusing to recognise the replacement card (with a new set of numbers) the old card becomes inactive and the new card is not registered.
The banks say its a threat to their security if they dont change the numbers while betfair say it is a threat to their security if the numbers are changed(because of money laundering).so the clock is ticking on betfairs future as the banks start to withdraw the old cards ,and betfair are standing firm and insisting on a screen shot of all bank accounts of customers.no doubt it will end up in the high court ,but by then betfair will have lost all their customers.imvho.
one thing i am not sure of is that the bank i use is a member of the royal bank of Scotland group,in other words a UK bank.It is possible that it may only be UK bank customers that are hampered by registration on betfair (but i am not sure).it may have something to do with brexit as the banks position themselves for a no deal situation ,but the story will continue ,and the days are running out for betfair and their customers.
@Brassneck
re: A company wanting a photo of a payment card.
It is against the T&C's of the payment processor for a company to store all the digits of a card number unencrypted.
(This is why you see '*' for most of the digits when reusing a card on a site, They are not allowed to store/know the unencrypted number)
It might be considered that a photo of a card is storing all the digits unencrypted.
re: A company wanting a photo of a payment card.
It is against the T&C's of the payment processor for a company to store all the digits of a card number unencrypted.
(This is why you see '*' for most of the digits when reusing a card on a site, They are not allowed to store/know the unencrypted number)
It might be considered that a photo of a card is storing all the digits unencrypted.
the guy on the help desk told me that the new rule applies to everyone ,so we are all going to face the same problem,so while the banks and betfair sort out the problem it is the customers that suffer,and 95% of customers are not going to give photo's of their bank accounts to a gambling site.
AS i say the clock is ticking and old cards are been withdrawn by the banks so there is only one way this can end and betfair have not even put up a statement on their service page about it,and the customers are in a catch 22 situation,and can do nothing about it.remember banks are advising not to give anyone full details of their accounts.
it is a very serious situation for the betfairs customers and everyone will have the problem when their present visa card expires.
AS i say the clock is ticking and old cards are been withdrawn by the banks so there is only one way this can end and betfair have not even put up a statement on their service page about it,and the customers are in a catch 22 situation,and can do nothing about it.remember banks are advising not to give anyone full details of their accounts.
it is a very serious situation for the betfairs customers and everyone will have the problem when their present visa card expires.
How recently was this change, because I had to renew a card only a couple of months ago and was a piece of p1 ss
Also, you sure they want to see ALL accounts a customer holds?
Also, you sure they want to see ALL accounts a customer holds?
i dont know,all i know is that betfair have refused to register my replacement card for the one and only bank account that i have,its the same account that i have used for the 15 years i have been on betfair.But what annoys me most is that betfair will not accept a letter from the bank stating that the card i wish to regester is a replacement card for the said bank account.
What happens to your account balance if they close the account without a valid card to credit the money to?
Hopefully, they would send a cheque through the post. Can anyone confirm that?
Hopefully, they would send a cheque through the post. Can anyone confirm that?
the problem with the new visa cards is that all banks are updating their cards to a new contactless card(a card that allows you the purchase anything up to 30 quid without using a pin number)to do this and enhance security all replacements visa cards are issued with a new set of numbers.
That isn't correct. I have had all my cards upgraded to contactless and none of the numbers have changed.
That isn't correct. I have had all my cards upgraded to contactless and none of the numbers have changed.
At least one major high street bank updates the card number with each new card
I'm not sure the issue is contactless though because my current card is contactless and I had no problem registering it with BF two years ago. As it happens that card is expiring at the end of this month so will be interesting to see what hoops I have to jump through
I'm not sure the issue is contactless though because my current card is contactless and I had no problem registering it with BF two years ago. As it happens that card is expiring at the end of this month so will be interesting to see what hoops I have to jump through
I don't get this.
When you say they want a photo of your account - what exactly do they want? And how does giving your bank details prove that a particular card is attached to it?
When you say they want a photo of your account - what exactly do they want? And how does giving your bank details prove that a particular card is attached to it?
theoretically if you had a photo/scan of the front of the card and a photo/scan of the top of the bank statement you would have the account number on both plus the other details.
when i was having trouble they wanted a photo shot showing at least one betfair transaction on the account statement.i do not know if all cards are the same now but every debit card i get the long number is always different i thought it was only the start and expiry numbers that changed but they must have changed the terms now.i am sure i was told if the net depoists was in minus more deposits than withdrawals thats when they need a photo of the account.it explains this i think in the help questions about net deposits
Plenty of liquidity for the big games. Less for the obscure stuff, in which case either try Asia or don't bet on the Armenian women's second division. For the big games I'll always sue **** if I can, 2% commission as opposed to 25% here, tough call
I'm 37 by the way, and what the hell is 4G? I get that it's data but I'm blissfully unaware of the relevance
yeah but dont you need to show id to join the purple?????no doubt their rules will be the same
Aug 3, 2018 -- 6:08PM, nellie1970 wrote:
yeah but dont you need to show id to join the purple?????no doubt their rules will be the same
Yeah unfortunately the purple place have a KYC now (in terms of my experience anyhow). Though oddly was allowed to join a certain owner of theirs with a red sign and access the exchange on their website with no KYC etc.
nellie the only person who thinks that "they must have changed the terms now" is brassneck and he is wrong about almost everything.
dave i had the same problem a few months back when my debit card expired i tried to change the old one for the new one.long number had changed on new card.i could not delete old card so i phoned them up and was told because there was more deposits than withdrawals on the card making a minus net profit.they required photo of my account showing a betfair transaction on the account the new card was registered to. i kicked off a little and said just close the account then as its the same account i have used on here since i joined only renewing a new card because of expiry of old card.after some back and fourth and because the minus net deposit was only minimal he eventually did it for me.so thats what happened to me
Has brass received any guidance on this matter from the paypalcy yet?
Out of interest why haven't people migrated to s.m.a.r.k.e.t.s ?
Most of them aren't big on migration anyway.
well nellie all my cards have changed to contactless and none of the numbers have changed. Also there would be plenty more complaining if all card numbers were changing for everyone (and also betfair would be aware and not using there standard policy).
smarkets take your money if they go busto - betfair holds customer money in a separate trust
my new lloyds visa debit is a contactless card.so all your new cards have the same long number as on your expired cards Dave
quite a lot of firms are like that the lol gambling commission calls it "basic protection" but in reality it isn't any protection at all.
Aug 3, 2018 -- 7:34PM, nellie1970 wrote:
my new lloyds visa debit is a contactless card.so all your new cards have the same long number as on your expired cards Dave
yes
the one linked to here has been the same since I opened the account
must admit i have become lazy by just using betfair year after along with a couple of bookmaker sights.never used another exchange maybe its time to change. is SMARK KETS a decent site never really heard of them. input would be appreciated guys
If you wanna bet just before the off the purple one is best, if you're trying to get some moneys on early then you're more likely to get matched on smarkets. Different exchanges for different needs.
Like 97% of Betfair punters, I use the exchange in conjunction with a lot of other bookies.
Hardly anyone is "loyal" to a brand, we just go to the best proposition.
PPB have always enticed customers to their fixed-odds platform away from the exchange. They can hardly complain now if their golden goose has stopped laying so frequently.
Hardly anyone is "loyal" to a brand, we just go to the best proposition.
PPB have always enticed customers to their fixed-odds platform away from the exchange. They can hardly complain now if their golden goose has stopped laying so frequently.
dave ,what bank give you the same numbers for 8 years?
this is the message i got from the bank.=Please note that your new card has a new 16 digit number,new, valid from expiry dates,and a new CVV security number on the reverse.
if you have existing card registered with websites you will need to update those websites with new card details'
" now every website on the internet know all about this change except betfair as far as i can see."
if you have existing card registered with websites you will need to update those websites with new card details'
" now every website on the internet know all about this change except betfair as far as i can see."
it also says that the old debit card will still work for approximately 30 days .and half these 30 days are gone,as i say time is running out fast and betfair are still sitting on their hands and doing nothing except asking for a photo of the bank account,and as i say a letter of authenticity from the bank is not good enough for them.
brassneck
santander is my bank and I'm not disputing that your number has changed, merely that it is connected to contactless and that it is something every bank is doing.
And just get a copy of your bank statement, black out any transactions except betfair - leaving the name, address and account number.
santander is my bank and I'm not disputing that your number has changed, merely that it is connected to contactless and that it is something every bank is doing.
And just get a copy of your bank statement, black out any transactions except betfair - leaving the name, address and account number.
I renewed my card last week - expired end of July.
The 16th digit had changed along with the cvv. Entered the details to my account, null problem.
What's with all this photo ID malarkey? Never heard of such a thing in here - or any other betting a/cs for that matter.
The 16th digit had changed along with the cvv. Entered the details to my account, null problem.
What's with all this photo ID malarkey? Never heard of such a thing in here - or any other betting a/cs for that matter.
Also to add, removed all funds to my old card before I renewed.
dave,they already have a copy of my bank statement from when i opened the account,its not me they are refusing ,its the card that they are not happy about,and the bank will not give me my old numbers,the bank has also advised not to give anyone details of my bank account,and tell me nobody should ever ask for them,and its against the law to store someone's bank details.
well trilby good luck to you,three different betfair help desk operators told me i can not register my replacement card unless they get a screen shot of my bank account and their are no exceptions to this rule.(thats what they say)
8.5 million natwest visa debit cards failed to work correctly or were refused for up to two hours on the 2nd august across the UK,banks says they are having issues.
How can it be "against the law", if it's on the governments proof of address/identity checklist?
Bank, Building Society or Credit Union statement or passbook dated within the last three months
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/proof-of-identity-checklist/proof-of-identity-checklist
Bank, Building Society or Credit Union statement or passbook dated within the last three months
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/proof-of-identity-checklist/proof-of-identity-checklist
BF's ads never mention the laying part of what they offer. So they're perceived as just another bookie. They just go on about 'better odds'. It's a tired mantra.
I think the laying is perceived as a bit naughty (and open to a lot of corruption) so has never really become mainstream in the world of the average punter.
Huge liquidity remains in cricket markets. Not sure what was matched on this Test v India but would have been 10s of millions. IPL will be 50m a game.
I think the laying is perceived as a bit naughty (and open to a lot of corruption) so has never really become mainstream in the world of the average punter.
Huge liquidity remains in cricket markets. Not sure what was matched on this Test v India but would have been 10s of millions. IPL will be 50m a game.
if you get a loan the lender has a right to see your bank account as proof that you can pay back,but i dont think betfair are about to lend soon.
but surprise surprise,i can still deposit with paddy and withdraw with paddy ,now that is a story on its own.make what you want of that situation.
and i mean into my betfair account via my usual paddy office.
HAVE YOU HEARD OF PAYPAL INFALLIBILITY?
do not have to have a card registered with betfair to avail of paypal?
sorry,do you not have to have a card registered with betfair to avail of paypal.
remember what is happening to me is going to happen to every betfair customer when their visa card expires according to the help desk staff,the four staff i spoke to told me their are no exceptions to this new rule.i have renewed my card 5 times over 15 years and had no problems but this time for some reason they will not except the replacement card ,from the same bank,same address,same account numbers ,same everything ,but the PAN(16 DIGIT NUMBER HAS CHANGED)and the CVV number has changed,and that has happened on the 5 previous times (its for security). but this time we are all getting a" no no no no no "from betfair,perhaps and i stress perhaps it may have something to do with brexit and the talk of tariff's on debit cards????????
and the irish government announced this week that they had secured a settlement on tax take with online gambling companies,so that also has to be taken into consideration,so whatever is happening ,is happening and all i know is that my days are numbered with betfair and i did nothing wrong.
yes, brass, you don't need to have any card registered, just use paypal and the withdrawals are quicker anyway
i understand and when the bank void my old card i will look at the options i have,but remember if this is about to happen to everyone on betfair you have to ask yourself the question "why in gods name are betfair making it so difficult for everyone to place a bet"they have to have a reason and it would help if they explained it to their customers"why they want to see bank accounts(that they already have)of all customers.
I've always liked Smarkets but as usual with anything not BF it does suffer from liquidity issues at times,but it's getting bigger imho.
but why are betfair doing this,its an updated card for the account i opened 15 years ago,and i never had this problem before,you would think they would give a reason ,its a case of like or lump it /we want to see your bank account ,and remember everyone is going to get this same treatment according to the betfair help desk.
I fear bf`s imminent demise, as the SEEEEETHING of the lefties on numerous threads is about to break the whole internet!
^ A well made point of great relevance to this thread.
it is so strange ,and they will not accept a letter of confirmation from the bank that the replacement card is the only card connected to the same account that was there from the begining apart from the old card that is about to expire.
it sounds like "on your bike brassneck ,we dont want your custom any more"but then again they are going to say the exact same thing to everyone else who's card expires.
it sounds like "on your bike brassneck ,we dont want your custom any more"but then again they are going to say the exact same thing to everyone else who's card expires.
If you done as much betting as woffling then they might actually miss you.
i checked my records and have turned over millions of pounds since i started ,so its not that ,there is no massive profits on the card either,and the biggest bets i ever recorded was single grand bets a few years back,the biggest collect was 16 grand and that's a long time ago in 16 team accum.
so its a standard gamblers account .i could understand if it was only me,but as i say ,the help desk have confirmed to me 4 times that everyone is about to get the same treatment with no exceptions,but what surprises me is that the forum is not littered with complaints about the treatment the so called" valued customers"are about to get.
so its a standard gamblers account .i could understand if it was only me,but as i say ,the help desk have confirmed to me 4 times that everyone is about to get the same treatment with no exceptions,but what surprises me is that the forum is not littered with complaints about the treatment the so called" valued customers"are about to get.
its my guess that everyone is moving on to other gambling sites,and its only me that is here on my lonesome to fight the case of mistreatment being dished out by betfair.
why don't you just give them what they want and stop moaning? You know that you will eventually.
post your bank account on the screen Dave,and you will say"why should i,its my business not anyone else's.
i have offered bank confirmation to them that the card is a replacement card for my only bank account and that is not good enough for them.i have given proof of my address,i have showed my bookmaker licence,i have given a utility bill,i have given my mobile number,i have given my telephone number,i have given them a copy of suitability of premises on my last bookie office,i have given a copy of my driving licence,i have given a copy of my membership of the indepentant bookmakers union,and i have given a copy of my bank statement when i started gambling with them,i also have a written contract with them ,they also have my photo,what else do they want,i did nothing wrong and am a pillar of society.
my days are numbered with betfair for some reason they will not answer too,and the sad part is that everyone is about to get the same treatment.
i have offered bank confirmation to them that the card is a replacement card for my only bank account and that is not good enough for them.i have given proof of my address,i have showed my bookmaker licence,i have given a utility bill,i have given my mobile number,i have given my telephone number,i have given them a copy of suitability of premises on my last bookie office,i have given a copy of my driving licence,i have given a copy of my membership of the indepentant bookmakers union,and i have given a copy of my bank statement when i started gambling with them,i also have a written contract with them ,they also have my photo,what else do they want,i did nothing wrong and am a pillar of society.
my days are numbered with betfair for some reason they will not answer too,and the sad part is that everyone is about to get the same treatment.
brassneck • August 5, 2018 7:33 PM BST
post your bank account on the screen Dave
they haven't asked you to do that.
As was posted above, you can blackout all the transactions except betfair ones and the balance. So that would leave:
the bank name and branch - which they already have
the account number - which they already have
your name - which they already have
your address - which they already have
and the betfair payments - which they already have
So you have already given them all this info, but to keep them happy it's on a statement thus proving that it is your card linked to your bank account.
So what is your problem?
post your bank account on the screen Dave
they haven't asked you to do that.
As was posted above, you can blackout all the transactions except betfair ones and the balance. So that would leave:
the bank name and branch - which they already have
the account number - which they already have
your name - which they already have
your address - which they already have
and the betfair payments - which they already have
So you have already given them all this info, but to keep them happy it's on a statement thus proving that it is your card linked to your bank account.
So what is your problem?
i offered a letter from the bank to them proving that the card is a replacement card and the help desk said/ no
the bank have advised me not to give anyone details of my bank account as it threatens their security ,and if funds go missing they could not guarantee them.
the bank have advised me not to give anyone details of my bank account as it threatens their security ,and if funds go missing they could not guarantee them.
Well they are probably correct in that they assume that you are a confused pensioner being scammed. However, you are already giving betfair access to your account when you give them your card details so the issue is somewhat redundant.
so why are they looking for something they already have,and remember everyone(no exception)will be having the same problem when their card expires according to the betfair help desk,as i say i am only a pawn in a game of chess between the banks and betfair and it looks like it will remain like this until the courts decide who has the rights and who hasent.All i hope is that someone that works for betfair sees this thread and brings it to the powers that be and save the betfair customers the annoyance that i have and still am enduring in an effort to place a bet on the the once worlds largest betting organisation.
I REST MY CASE.signed=Brass.
I REST MY CASE.signed=Brass.
They have what you have given them - all the bank statement does is confirm that information, which for some reason you refuse to do.
dustybin 03 Aug 18 09:10 Joined: 29 Dec 08 | Topic/replies: 15,191 | Blogger: dustybin's blog
Betfair have targeted 50 customers, all HRPC payers and given them allowances against the amount of PC due each winning week.
dusty, I haven't heard this before. Can you elaborate a bit more on how this works (ie what sort of allowances etc.)
Betfair have targeted 50 customers, all HRPC payers and given them allowances against the amount of PC due each winning week.
dusty, I haven't heard this before. Can you elaborate a bit more on how this works (ie what sort of allowances etc.)
Gin I understand they have a £500 a week allowance before pc kicks in
Thanks Biscar - from info I have seen elsewhere, the trial is targeted at a certain type of player. I guess it is unlikely to be rolled out to all PC players.
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