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By:
Reynard
When: 04 Aug 18 10:34
ffs
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 04 Aug 18 10:36
^

A person who fails to understand the legal situation around the TR is now advising me to go against the legal requirements for a FOI request.

There is nothing else for me to comment on this with you Edy. I am not going to carry on feeding your unsatisfiable trolling appetite.
By:
edy
When: 04 Aug 18 10:38
Yeah, just keep making excuses so you can keep spouting off your nonsense.
By:
edy
When: 04 Aug 18 10:47
You complain and spout off that everything is fake news because newspapers don't add the name, which would've added absolutely nothing for the readers, of a prison service spokesperson. But then you're neither willing to inquire through non-FOI emails, nor willing to use a pseudonym for a FOI, which the Information Commissioner's Office itself says in its guidelines is acceptable practice.

It doesn't get much more silly than that quite frankly and I really, really, really hope you realize that.
By:
Reynard
When: 04 Aug 18 11:17
Why are you deflecting attention away from the fact that his basic human rights as a prison inmate (whether his incarceration was justified or not) were quite clearly violated ?
By:
edy
When: 04 Aug 18 11:22
Insider Trader brought it up. If you want to voice complains about any deflection, he is the obvious person to address.
By:
Reynard
When: 04 Aug 18 11:23
Wasn't a complaint , it was an observation .
By:
edy
When: 04 Aug 18 11:24
I see Happy
By:
aaronh
When: 04 Aug 18 11:53
thoughts on Tommy being upset about not having a TV in his room?
By:
lfc1971
When: 04 Aug 18 11:58
^ the mans life is in danger from savages in prison and that is the sort of nonsense he comes out with
By:
aaronh
When: 04 Aug 18 11:59
Laugh
By:
lfc1971
When: 04 Aug 18 12:00
now we get the silly faces , from a  silly person
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 04 Aug 18 12:00
Sums up the left lfc. They think it is ok to endanger someones life and joke about it.
By:
aaronh
When: 04 Aug 18 12:07
if I posted silly faces every time lfc did a dumb post, there would be a lot more from me
By:
Reynard
When: 04 Aug 18 12:23
255 posts and yet to see a single one that constructively and reasonably defends his mistreatment whilst imprisoned ............
By:
moisok
When: 04 Aug 18 12:27
he has been warning us for years
By:
moisok
When: 04 Aug 18 12:29
meanwhile ALL the authorities cover up or completely ignore it

VOTES VOTES VOTES  too many of them now  - too many votes to loose

got to pander to them

eventually they will have their own people in parliament
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 04 Aug 18 12:32
The leftists would be screaming (along with everyone else) if it was a leftist activist treated like this.

This is what the 'Secret Barrister' who many leftists and mainstream-believers quoted on previous threads has admitted he was wrong but tried to justify it!

14. This shows that you know NOTHING, fake barrister. You were wrong, weren’t you?

Yes. My initial impression, based on the limited information available, was that the summary procedure was appropriate in the Leeds case. As the Court of Appeal explained, it was not. There were alternatives open to the judge which should have been explored. There were also obvious failings to abide by the procedural rules, although I would plead in mitigation that none of that information was available at the time that the story was first reported. As a result, the hearing was not fair. Whether the sentence was appropriate was not decided by the Court of Appeal and may perhaps be best assessed by what the freshly-constituted Crown Court decides to do, (although my position on that was neutral – I observed simply that the sentence was not out of the ordinary for serious contempts of court.)

So I hold my hands up – imperfect information makes for imperfect predictions. But is there a wider issue here, among me and other legal commentators? Were we too quick to dismiss the case with a “nothing to see here” wave of the hand, blinded by the unappealing nature of Robinson’s supporters and the organised maelstrom of fake news stirred up here and abroad? Maybe we were. Maybe we could have – should have – cleared our ears and browsers of the white (pride) noise and paid greater heed to the arguments of due process. Maybe a little more humility is required in these difficult cases. I am normally conscious in all legal blogging to couch in terms of conditionals – if this report is accurate, then the explanation might be X. Was I too quick to assume, wrongly, that the judge had acted correctly?

I think I may have been. But looking back over the litany of plainly false statements circulated between May and now – that Robinson’s “reporting” was nothing more than the BBC had done; that he was targeted by the deep state; that Robinson’s original barrister was an “unqualified duty solicitor”; that TR was never in contempt of court as the trial was over; that the courts were “covering up” serious crimes by certain racial groups; the dishonest framing of the debate as one of “free speech” rather than interfering with justice; and the other hundreds of fantastical theories clogging my Twitter notifications today – I’d suggest, self-servingly, that an inaccurate but well-meaning prediction – such as we all make in the courts every day – is lesser a social evil than the deliberate, racially-tinged misinformation campaign that we do our best to counter.


https://thesecretbarrister.com/2018/08/01/the-tommy-robinson-judgment-what-does-it-all-mean/
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 04 Aug 18 12:46
the secret barrister is what the left turn to when they want biased results, a proven raving leftie with no care for justice.
By:
edy
When: 04 Aug 18 12:53
InsiderTrader • August 4, 2018 12:32 PM BST
The leftists would be screaming (along with everyone else) if it was a leftist activist treated like this.


Like after the Charlottesville murder when your primary concern was to point out that the other guys had communist flags and create moral equivalence between Nazis and counter protestors? Alright then.

Though technically it wasn't the same kind of treatment I guess.
By:
aaronh
When: 04 Aug 18 12:55
The leftists would be screaming (along with everyone else) if it was a leftist activist treated like this.


if you actually read people who define themselves as 'leftists' rather than just the people who disagree with the things you like (Trump, Brexit etc), you'd actually see something nuanced on this.

it's not the left who have been painting prisons as a land of joy and fun for years until one of their own was there and found out it was actually very bad
By:
aaronh
When: 04 Aug 18 12:59

Aug 4, 2018 -- 12:46PM, Ibrahima Sonko wrote:


the secret barrister is what the left turn to when they want biased results, a proven raving leftie with no care for justice.


is the full evidence of them being a leftie, that they dislike TR?

By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 04 Aug 18 13:23
It was known at the time that the judge who sentenced TR watched him perform his webcast & the judge did not watch the video that TR made but chose to sentence him anyway.

aaronh you need to read the secretbarrister blog, he called fans of TR knuckledraggers, how can he ever be judged as neutral.

I find the left come on freds like this with no care of justice but with an agenda, to defend their cult no matter what.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 04 Aug 18 14:10
^^^ The epitome of the complete opposite of reality. In a single post. ^^^
By:
moisok
When: 04 Aug 18 14:23
study

but they do

hope this helps
By:
detraveller
When: 04 Aug 18 14:48
Tommy is out? He should be preparing for the next elections. Things couldn't have been better for him in terms of popularity among his own fanbase and potential conversion of other voters.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 04 Aug 18 22:58
Please explain more mr study(leftie) ?

I want you to breakdown my post so i can possibly learn from better people.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 05 Aug 18 09:15
No.
By:
lfc1971
When: 05 Aug 18 11:40
thank  heavens for that
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 05 Aug 18 12:29
see if you can follow my lead, lfc.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 05 Aug 18 12:54
my lead Laugh

Crazy
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 05 Aug 18 14:26
edy
04 Aug 18 10:47
Joined: 13 Dec 06
| Topic/replies: 188,879 | Blogger: edy's blog
You complain and spout off that everything is fake news because newspapers don't add the name, which would've added absolutely nothing for the readers, of a prison service spokesperson. But then you're neither willing to inquire through non-FOI emails, nor willing to use a pseudonym for a FOI, which the Information Commissioner's Office itself says in its guidelines is acceptable practice.

It doesn't get much more silly than that quite frankly and I really, really, really hope you realize that.

^

This enough evidence for you Edy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKgyv9JRyr0

The actual letter exposing the lies is in the video
By:
edy
When: 05 Aug 18 14:38
All the more reason now for you to finally get off your arse and send a FOI.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 05 Aug 18 15:27
Edy, there is no need now. The letter shows that the spokesman was not telling the truth. The evidence is out in the public domain.
By:
edy
When: 05 Aug 18 15:40
We can't be sure it's telling the whole story. Unless of course you elect to gullible sheep that takes everything at face value instead of getting to the bottom of things (instead of wasting away your talents endlessly arguing against self-constructed points on the chit chat and politics section of a betting exchange's forum)
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 05 Aug 18 15:50
Edy,

The anonymous  'prison spokesperson's' comments reported in the press contradict what the prison letter says.

If you cannot see that there is not much more I can add. Even if I got that private letter from a FOI (which they would not give me) you would still dispute me so what is the point?

The facts have been presented.
By:
moisok
When: 05 Aug 18 16:59
a friend of mine says don't bother arguing with the progressives  as arguing with idiots is a waste of time

most of them haven't a clue

a lot of the moralisers and eu supporters talk from behind 'safe doors' and don't live in the'community'  etc

many live well away from the issues/problem areas

I subscribe to the latter but not the idiot part
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 08 Sep 18 22:26
Hopefully ukip make the correct decision.

.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkUFVy-FCjk
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