Tommy Robinson supporter's views exposed by Newsnight

Edy

1. which country are you saying it does not happen in on a large scale?
2. do you not believe the newspaper articles that state who is pushing for the ages to be brought down?

Seriously can you not see any kind of pattern here?

edy • July 25, 2018 5:54 PM BST
I'll humour you with one reply, but then you will just answer the question and to admit being a disingenuous person, ok?

Now this is in the Guardian. Civil society pushed back against the laws. But ask yourself who proposed them.

What religion do we believe the seemingly successful, stronger, civil society that pushed back against and rejected the law to belong to?

What religion do we believe the seemingly successful, stronger, civil society that pushed back against and rejected the law to belong to?

Iraq and Turkey are not run by clerics like Iran and Saudi.

Take a look at the Yemen..

Some of Yemen's most influential Islamic leaders, including one the U.S. says mentored Osama bin Laden, have declared supporters of a ban on child brides to be apostates.

The religious decree, issued Sunday, deeply imperils efforts to salvage legislation that would make it illegal for those under the age of 17 to marry.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2010/03/22/islamic_clerics_in_yemen_oppose_child_bride_ban.html

Jul 25, 2018 -- 6:01PM, InsiderTrader wrote:

What religion do we believe the seemingly successful, stronger, civil society that pushed back against and rejected the law to belong to? Iraq and Turkey are not run by clerics like Iran and Saudi.

Ah, so there is only a problem with clerics and not the common muslim. Good thing we cleared that up.

Edy are you denying that hundreds of thousands of girls under the age of 16 are marrying in these countries. It is 40,000 a year in Iran alone.

Ah, so there is only a problem with clerics and not the common muslim. Good thing we cleared that up.

It is the clerics and a large number of their followers are practicing it.

I do not understand your view on this.

Do you think the BBC presenter was correct when he said it does not happen?

if they are so wonderful why is there so many problems with the 'community'?

Have you seen me deny it? If I deny something I tend to say so. That's another thing with you.

The **** **** clerics will be gone before long, don't worry. We are in the process of breaking free from the hardcore Christian oppressing us, as are the common, (not always) silent majority (you love this term, don't you?) muslims of the middle east as you yourself quoted with the civil society in Iraq being strong enough to oppose them on proposed laws that would've negatively affected the rights of women and children.

So you disagree with bbc presenter?

What happens if some of the remaining muslamics and christians form a grand coalition and invent a new wacko religion?

Jul 25, 2018 -- 6:21PM, InsiderTrader wrote:

So you disagree with bbc presenter?

Sure, though from a legal standpoint he's mostly correct as we found out. Practice and law enforcement seems to be another matter.

They will rename 25 December ChrisMuss

as someone who is described as 'off his head'  I will claim the leadership of said organisation

I'll be treasurer.

edy
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    Jul 25, 2018 -- 6:21PM, InsiderTrader wrote:


    So you disagree with bbc presenter?


Sure, though from a legal standpoint he's mostly correct as we found out. Practice and law enforcement seems to be another matter.

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No we did not. Iran 40,000 under 15s pa. Saudi legal, Yemen legal etc etc. I am not going back over it all again. You clearly have an agenda to deny anything wrong is going on.

Just that I haven't denied anything wrong is going on. Stop making up things please, but I know that's a very commonly used discussion "tactic" by you. Which leads us back you being disingenuous.

edy
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    Jul 25, 2018 -- 6:21PM, InsiderTrader wrote:


    So you disagree with bbc presenter?


Sure, though from a legal standpoint he's mostly correct

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How you can conclude that from all the evidence presented is beyond me. You just do not want to see it. That is fine if that is genuinely your conclusion. I fail to see how hundreds of thousands of underage brides can mean it is 'mostly correct' that it does not happen.

Do you understand what a sentence like "Practice and law enforcement seems to be another matter" could maybe, just maybe mean?

Do you also have an idea what a "Sure" as an answer for "Do you disagree with the BBC reporter" could maybe suggest?

Seriously, buddy...

Kids these days just ain't no good at no English comprehension no more.

Edy, do you think that clerics (especially in non-secular countries) giving a viewpoint influences the population at all?

Do you realize that in these countries the clerics are the law and issue marriage licenses for children to marry? Is this a practice you support?

A photo of a 15-year-old boy and a girl, 14, trying to register their marriage on the island of Sulawesi has been shared widely online since last week, sparking renewed pressure on the government to end such underage unions.

The couple had sought permission from a religious court for their marriage – which was given – and the girl told reporters their union was her “destiny” after they had been dating for five months.

Indonesia this time....

'Fifty thousand girls still marry before the age of 15 each year in Indonesia.'

https://www.smh.com.au/world/child-brides-why-underage-girls-are-marrying-in-indonesia-20170913-gyg6p8.html

Edy, do you think that clerics (especially in non-secular countries) giving a viewpoint influences the population at all?

Given that I clearly said it's still an ongoing process of breaking free from them...what do you think?

Seriously...stop playing this purposefully obtuse forum character.

No need for personal insults Edy.

It seems that we agree that the clerics in countries where they either make the law or heavily influence the law/behaviour are an issue when trying to end child marriage and child sex.

Well over 100,000 girls under 15 are affected a year worldwide by the practice and tens of thousands in the UK.

This all seems to be too much trouble , why were they allowed into Britain again ?

Telling someone to stop playing a forum character is a personal insult?

as someone who is 'off his head'  I simply cannot comment
hugs and kisses  xxxxxxxx

I was gobsmacked to hear Ed Husain on Radio 5 today. Not sure I've ever heard someone given a platform to openly question Islam and having his book endorsed in the process.

He poured scorn on the cries of 'Islamaphobia!' every time someone criticises Islam.

The House of Islam: A Global History.

but you cannot hold your hand up in class and say 'excuse me sir I want to question it'

CHOP!!!!!

in a british school it is even harder

probably get reported to 'Prevent'

just love them to bits

must be more briebart propaganda

oh no its not

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/kuwait-blogger-passport-racism-filipino-worker-islamophobic-uae-sondos-al-qattan-a8464741.html

it is so easy to play the card like the apologists on here do

seeing it in its real form

it is a phobia of course

'Sajid Javid orders research into ethnicity of grooming gangs and victims'

Sajid Javid revealed work is under way to identify the "characteristics" of child sex abusers and their victims in a bid to tackle a "national threat".

Police will use the results to improve "targeting" of the gangs and "prevention activity".

Mr Javid made the announcement in a letter to Sarah Champion, the Labour MP for Rotherham who has previously said Britain has a "problem with British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls".

https://news.sky.com/story/sajid-javid-orders-research-into-ethnicity-of-grooming-gangs-and-victims-11449198

Will be interesting to see if he gets different results to Quilliam Foundation which found 84% of those convicted since 2005 of gang grooming were 'Asian'.

The results will depend on the preset agenda he's given . Gotta fit the narrative , Sajid

Yaxley!Yaxley!Yaxley!Yaxley free the man of sunbed shops..

IDIOT^

do NOT under any circumstances open the daily newspapers

the defenders will have a seizure trying to defend the actions of their 'friends'

Forced marriage: Leeds parents jailed over Bangladesh wedding

The woman was taken to Bangladesh with other family members for what they had been told was a holiday.

But the parents had made extensive plans for her wedding to a first cousin.

She reacted against the plan and her father hit her, with her mother's encouragement, the court heard.

Her father said he would "chop her up in 18 seconds" if she continued to reject the proposed marriage, the judge was told.

Dafydd Enoch QC, defending her father, told the court: "These events are not borne out of malice, hate, greed or prejudice. They were borne of deep-seated culture."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-45010987

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Well done the daughter and her boyfriend for standing up against these monsters. 'Culture' is no excuse for forced marriage to first cousins, FGM, rape gangs and so on.

Do you realise you are defending a muslim Insider Trader?

You might be black balled by your crew!

I do not care what race, colour, religion or creed someone is. I will always defend anyone from forced marriage and threats of being cut to pieces.

Do you not think it a basic human right to be able to decide who you marry?

Very noble of you Insider. I am encouraged by your turnaround. Maybe you could become a missionary and go to Africa.

InsiderTrader • July 30, 2018 10:37 PM BST
Do you not think it a basic human right to be able to decide who you marry?

Whisperingdeath • July 30, 2018 10:41 PM BST
.Very noble of you Insider. I am encouraged by your turnaround. Maybe you could become a missionary and go to Africa

Doesn't look like a "yes" to me .

WD attempting to defend the indefensible (as per usual)

Stop being a jockey twizzle

I am against forced marriages. I am against first cousin marriages. Do I really have to state that?

I was just super impressed by Insiduous Trader defending Moslem Women and wanted to say WELL DONE Insider trader!

Maybe he will defend a human beings right to wear whatever clothing they like?!

WD,

Would you be favour of making first cousin marriages illegal or would that be a step too far?

To be honest Insider I thought they were illegal in this country, except perhaps for Royalty

Maybe it isn't illegal, I don't know but it is certainly a social taboo. I think in Pakistan it is legal and that is why they have so many congenital diseases!

So here's one for you IT

Will you defend the right for women to wear whatever clothing they chose to wear in this country?

Do you mean anywhere? I am not sure about stuff like the free the nipple campaign to be honest. But suppose anywhere mean are allowed to be topless women should be as well.

On first cousin marriage it is legal in the UK. 55 per cent of British Pakistanis are married to their first cousins – and in Bradford, the number is high, 75 percent of British Pakistani Community is married to their cousin. This practice has been practiced over many generations.

No I am talking about women wearing Burkha's as you well know!

Do you think they have a right to wear what they like?

Unfortunately I think they do but I find it offensive. I would not ban it but would not allow teachers to cover their faces, would not allow drivers to cover their faces, would not allow people to walk into government offices or public places like banks and even shopping centres while covering their faces. If they want to cover their hair that is fine by me but I think it is stupid! It is not religious but cultural!

I find it strange and hard to believe that first cousin marriages are legal in this country. We all know it is wrong and don't do it! I also find it hard to believe that so many British Pakistani's marry their first cousins. Could you kindly quote your evidence for this. 75% in Bradford is shocking! It should be outlawed!

I am unsure on the Burka. I personally find it uneasy and that it stops integration. What chance does someone wearing the full gear have of getting a regular job?

On the number those figures are on a number of reports.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1392217/Muslim-outrage-professor-Steve-Jones-warns-inbreeding-risks.html


This is the local NHS leaflet from Bradford:

https://www.bradford.gov.uk/media/3276/cousin-marriage-and-genetic-inheritance-leaflet.pdf

I hope the new study into grooming gangs sees if this is part of the 'cultural' issues involved. If people are marrying family members for visas and so on rather than for love could this lead to problems?

Thanks,

I was looking for an official statistic though not a Daily Mail report! If it is anywhere near the truth it is deeply disturbing! Mind you they deserve it! I am a Darwinist!

Do try to remember that we live in Great Britain - if we started issuing decrees about what people may or may not wear we can just drop the 'Great' bit and be done with it.

Yes but!

I still find it offensive! I am not advocating a ban but I am not allowed to fill my car wearing a baseball cap ( not that I have one! )

Yes but!

I still find it offensive! I am not advocating a ban but I am not allowed to fill my car wearing a baseball cap ( not that I have one! )

I'm curious as to why you find it offensive

Because it is like saying I am beautiful and you are a man and cannot control yourself. Guess what, maybe you're not and I can! We don't live in caves anymore this is a civilised society. Same things with mini skirts and boob tubes in Islamic Countries. They find it offensive as I do in the Medway Towns on a Friday Night. I am all for making the burkha mandatory for some of the locals!

I think if anybody hides their face it is akin to an insult. There is no need for it. It is nothing about personal safety, modesty or any of the like. How would you feel about groups of yutes bowling around in hoodies and full face mask's? Many would feel intimidated. You can't go into a shopping centre or many shops dressed liked that...why? because it is rude and also sinister! Wearing a face veil is offensive to me!

This study in the Lancet had it at 37% of children (1922 of 5127 babies) with offspring from first cousin union with mothers of Pakistani origin.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(13)61132-0/fulltext

I do not know where the Mail 'studies' come from to be honest.

The take home is that the percentage of first cousin unions is extremely high in this community.

It was talked about a lot around 2010 but now is an unfashionable topic.

Considering how many problems UK has with this community, one should be promoting cousin marriages, not prohibiting it. If it is indeed 55% and 75%, they are inbreeding themselves to extinction. Where's the problem?

The problem is heightened in places like the isle of Sheppey where your dad, grandad and scoutmaster could be the same person! A virgin is defines as someone who can run faster than her brother!

what has always got me is the trendy guy with the beard wearing his reversed cap, GAP t shirt, trendy western shorts and adidas trainers - as he is followed by a letter box.

hope this helps

Robinson is being released today.

BBC Breaking News  @BBCBreaking
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Former EDL leader Tommy Robinson freed on bail after winning legal challenge against contempt of court finding bbc.in/2LUebXe

out on bail, to face retrial, ..probably

september ..ish

Just enough time to get himself a decent tan .
Then if they decide to incarcerate him again he'll find it easier to blend in with the majority of his fellow inmates thus helping to ensure his safety .

That's assuming he hasn't converted to Islam and been radicalised during the last couple of months ...................

Poor guy, tells the truth and gets castigated for it.

At last...a judge with a modicum of common sense.Lets hope Tommy remains free to carry on the work that our gutless media continues to kick into the long grass.

Welcome back, Tommy.  Hurrah!

Tommy Robinson bailed after Court of Appeal win

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-45029755

I didn't know that he is bank rolled by Israel,perhaps that's the reason he got out so easily,either way it aint

So we now know, irrefutably, from the Lord Chief Justice himself, that Tommy Robinson was improperly tried, improperly convicted, improperly sentenced and improperly treated in prison. Every single element of his treatment was illegal. Everything. He was a political prisoner.



ezra levant

n his written judgement, Lord Burnett said: "We are satisfied that the finding of contempt made in Leeds following a fundamentally flawed process, in what we recognise were difficult and unusual circumstances, cannot stand.

"We will direct that the matter be reheard before a different judge."

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What anyone with any sense said all along.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-45029755

Don't mean to pop your bubble but he's going to be re-tried and from the words of said Chief Justice there's a decent chance he'll get a longer sentence given he's admitted the offence.

Maybe. My guess is he will not do another day in prison for this.

When will the UK be investigating, and taking appropriate action against the individuals responsible for the 'fundamentally flawed' process that led to the improper imprisonment of Robinson?

Its like a 24 hour soap opera ,always keep our minds focused on the "enemy"

Back to the forced marriage thing I suggest our leftist friends have a listen to this from LBC:

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/brave-caller-tells-james-obrien-forced-marry/

DO NOT MENTION the diaspora or you will get the same treatment.  The sign of the future.

All this man has ever done is said in public what millions of ordinary people up and down the country have been saying amongst themselves for the last 10 years and more .

The difference between Tommy and the 'silent' millions is that he has had the courage to stand up and be heard , at great personal cost . I would be the first to condemn some of his actions but at the same time I admire him for what he has achieved and believe that his motives are honorable . He has more integrity than those in 'power' who seek to silence him .

I agree with the first bit Reynard,but i think he is being used for reasons given earlier, no way to they want to shut him up

terry mccann - I take your point . I'm sure there are things that are not in the public domain at this time . However , I do believe that his intentions are for the greater good of this country and its people . That's something that cannot be claimed by our corrupt political elite .

they are at it all over the place
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018/aug/01/english-law-applies-to-islamic-marriage-judge-rules-in-divorce-case

total agreement Rey

so much for the dicks like porcupine and Donny stating tommys sentence was legally justified

https://www.iol.co.za/news/world/afghan-child-bride-tortured-to-death-by-husband-in-revenge-killing-16337660

funny how some newspapers completely ignore this story

why would that be?

The court found that:

* Tommy should not have been put on trial that same day
* Tommy’s lawyer did not have proper time to prepare his case
* the judge in Leeds never clearly presented what Tommy had allegedly done wrong
* the judge did not watch the entire video of Tommy, that supposedly was proof of his contempt
* the judge did not follow the criminal procedure rules
* the sentence was disproportionate; and
* Tommy’s treatment in prison was inappropriate

Details you won't see on any mainstream media. Basically he was ****** over.

People like Nigel Farage who went along with this nonsense should hang their heads in shame.

The protestors were right and the establishment and the leftists were wrong.

Aug 1, 2018 -- 5:32PM, Injera wrote:

The court found that:* Tommy should not have been put on trial that same day* Tommy’s lawyer did not have proper time to prepare his case* the judge in Leeds never clearly presented what Tommy had allegedly done wrong* the judge did not watch the entire video of Tommy, that supposedly was proof of his contempt* the judge did not follow the criminal procedure rules* the sentence was disproportionate; and* Tommy’s treatment in prison was inappropriateDetails you won't see on any mainstream media. Basically he was ****** over.

In a single sentence . He was victimised by a corrupt judiciary under direct instruction from a corrupt government !

He was in solitary for his own protection.

Relieved to see the BBC running the story but they're leaving all the main details out.

Welcome to a totalatarian state.

BBC preferring to lead the 6pm flagship news show with, erm Zimbabwe. A disaster of a country which most people in the UK couldn't point out on a map.

Tommy Robinson leads on Twitter worldwide trends.

That is what actually matters.

Africa's real story is this:

South Africa will push ahead with plans to amend the constitution to allow land expropriation without compensation, its president says.

In a recorded address, President Cyril Ramaphosa said the ruling ANC will "finalise a proposed amendment" allowing the move.

He said the reform was "of critical importance" to the economy.

Recent months have seen growing anger about the slow pace of land reform in South Africa.

The country's white minority is believed to have a disproportionate hold over land, with a few thousand white commercial farmers possessing the most fertile lands.

However, critics fear expropriation could lead to land grabs, as happened in neighbouring Zimbabwe.

- https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-45026931

Theft. Racially motivated. Because the blacks don't learn farming from the whites, it'll fail and lead to starvation. Very well done boneheads.

Don't see how the skin colour can determine how good someone is at something.

and then some years on they all want to come here

IT - and yet somehow it's the common denominator. More cultural that skin colour in that black africans refuse to learn from the Europeans, Japanese, Chinese...

cultural appropriation    ho ho ho

I am such a wit

way ahead of the rest of use lot on here

South Africa to change constitution to legalize taking away white farmers' land

https://www.rt.com/news/434784-south-africa-amendemnt-land-expropriation/
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Plenty Saffers heading to Russia …

"Boers have also appealed to Russia, seeking to resettle farmers who no longer feel at home in South Africa. A delegation consisting of some 30 South African farming families arrived in Russia's farm belt Stavropol Region last month, asking the local authorities to consider resettling up to 15,000 Boers."

And still, our clowns keep on pretending we are different and will be spared the cultural implications of resettlement. Smart move by the Boers.

UK accused of turning blind eye to forced marriages to grant visas

The Home Office has failed to protect British women and teenage girls forced into abusive marriages by granting their foreign husbands visas, charities have said.

Officials dealt with nearly 90 cases of victims trying to block visas last year, although almost half were still issued, data obtained by the Times suggests.

Women and girls are being physically and sexually abused by the men whose cases go unchallenged by authorities, charities say.

One group said some immigration officials were “turning a blind eye” amid concerns over cultural or religious sensitivities.

A Home Office source said it “categorically denies” the allegation.

Figures released under freedom of information laws showed the Home Office had received 175 inquiries about victims trying to block spouses’ visas last year.

Of these, 88 became full cases, which included direct requests from victims, known as “reluctant sponsors”, requests from third parties or instances where an official suspected a forced marriage.

The women had been forced to marry men in countries including Pakistan, India, Bangladesh and the United Arab Emirates.

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Is this the next scandal coming our way?

The founder of the forced marriage victim support charity Karma Nirvana, Jasvinder Sanghera, told the Times: “Even when officials know it’s a forced marriage, they see tradition, culture or religion and they’re reticent to deal with it. They are turning a blind eye.”

Where have we seen this before?

mr khan (the cheapskate ) tried to get away with ALL of his money by claiming he was only married to his wife under sharia law so therefore was not married and she couldn't claim.

I tell you what -

what with umpteen wives and forced marriages, plus getting out of giving your wife of 20 years no money at all
these muslim men sure have lots going for them

I see they have arrested three women's rights ladies in saudi   - the changes are sure coming thick and fast over there

or not

and a labour councillor involved in some dodgy goings on with these odd marriages
but we have to understand their culture and make excuses

so how is that old integration going then?