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By:
i_agree_with_nick
When: 05 Jul 18 10:32
Re boob jobs:

No one should get a boob job on the NHS "to further a career".

From the NHS website:

Is cosmetic surgery available on the NHS?

Cosmetic surgery is not routinely provided on the NHS.

Occasionally, it may be provided on the NHS for psychological or other health reasons. For example, the NHS might pay for:

    breast implants if a woman's breasts are severely underdeveloped or asymmetrical, and it's clear this is causing her significant psychological distress
    nose reshaping if the person has breathing problems
    a tummy tuck if the person has excess fat or skin after weight loss or pregnancy
    a breast reduction operation if the weight of a woman's breasts is causing her back problems

Generally, most people who wish to have cosmetic surgery will need to pay for this privately.

Reconstructive or plastic surgery can also be available on the NHS. This is different from cosmetic surgery; it's surgery to restore a person's normal appearance after illness, accident or a birth defect. It includes procedures such as rebuilding breasts after a mastectomy, or repairing a cleft lip.
By:
Jack Hacksaw
When: 05 Jul 18 11:33
Most women know that if they want to improve their sagging boobs they say they are having back problems and got a big hooter that they can't breathe properly.
By:
wit-ham
When: 05 Jul 18 11:43
IAWN Have brought this up with the union will see if anything happens
my GP had always done my ears(normally around every 5 years)and are well
aware of my line of work.
But my main point is, it is to big and getting bigger and needs to go for want
of a better term back to basics.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 05 Jul 18 15:28
To answer an earlier question...
Properly and accurately, not an lfc answer.

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-immigration-and-pressure-nhs/

fullfact is a VERY good and honest, charity driven, non-aligned site.
By:
The Dragon
When: 05 Jul 18 15:42
nhs is a total joke bescusue it is in the hands of politicians same as most public services. there is no strategy , no long term plan, no approch to recduce the terrible waste that goes on

and know the right wing tories weant to increase taxes to fund their pathetic lasck of a coheent polict...

its all very very sad but inevitable im afraid

i could say more biut whats the point   

if may can stay in power through a bunch of right wing uninoinist forom ireland after a £1bn bung then we have no hope.

my 89 year old mum is currently in the hands of the nhs after a fall and all these people bleating on how good it is are wrong , trust me its not !! ^hr wait on atrolley waiting to be seen . 2 hrs waiting for an ambulance, in corect diagnosis and re submission when now seriously ill ! ITS A FICKUNG NATIONAL DISGRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 05 Jul 18 15:49
Sorry for your plight, Dragon and I wish you and your mum well.
I agree with you, the whole lot has been run down and dismantled or sold off to big business.
What they do, with assistance is to deflect blame from themselves.
By:
The Dragon
When: 05 Jul 18 16:01
study it breaks my heart to see whats happening until you experience it first hand you are just so unaware how awful it is- yes we hear fantastic stotries but we are in  meltdownsituation the system is brocken, under resourced , mis manged to an appaling degeree and wortd of all argued over by politicians whio are simply not interesrted or incompetent.

i give up and it will only get worse.
May is atotally **** as is hunt they ont catre and even worse they do not know what to do . throwing more ill gained taxes at it simply is not the answere.

it has been a litergy of failure, interference and under resourcesing over many years nowCry
By:
The Dragon
When: 05 Jul 18 16:02
my parents generation are paying the price with their lives ..................literally
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 05 Jul 18 16:42
Yes mate, and some earlier than they should.
As per my own experience with my mum.

Still as long as all the unnecessary managers, trusts, building firms, computer & IT experts, WH Smith, costa, car park companies, loads of outsourced organisations and mostly - the drug companies are all making a lovely living from it. Nothing will be done.

They put money in - but not to where it's needed!
By:
The Dragon
When: 05 Jul 18 17:11
spot on p

why cant someone see whats going on and pit it right its n ot rocket science ffs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By:
wit-ham
When: 05 Jul 18 17:22
Because as we have said before the people in charge do not
apply common sense either because they don't have any or and this is
the one i think common sense makes no money in the business world
By:
The Dragon
When: 05 Jul 18 17:25
revoltion time i think enough is enoughDevilthese fickers need  de throning
By:
The Dragon
When: 05 Jul 18 17:27
we can spend millions on the royals and such **** as tropping the colour and a no mark wedding but my 89 yera old mum who has paid taxes and worked hard all her life cant get a hospitla bed and suitable care in her last days  someone needs to be held accountable for what is going on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By:
Reynard
When: 05 Jul 18 17:40
The only time a politician walks through the door of an NHS hospital it follows weeks of planning during which time the hospital administrators have prepared meticulously in preparation for said visit . Maybe they should give it a couple of hours after their 'tour' and then return unannounced using some excuse such as "has anybody handed in a set of keys to my 'taxpayer-funded luxury Victoria Embankment penthouse 2nd home?' I think I might have dropped them" and take a quick gander around the waiting room and use their eyes and ears during this 2nd visit to reach any conclusion as to whether the NHS really is fit for purpose .
By:
The Dragon
When: 05 Jul 18 18:24
i jut have to shake my head in sorrow
By:
lfc1971
When: 05 Jul 18 20:02
too many people, if you,re not prepared to address that stop moaning
By:
lfc1971
When: 05 Jul 18 20:06
its like this, you can have an NHS of the type Britain has, or you can have mass unrestricted immigration

you cant have both, its impossible
By:
terry mccann
When: 05 Jul 18 20:16
That is indeed the problem and it can only get worse
By:
lfc1971
When: 05 Jul 18 20:17
ps I wasn't referring anything said to The Dragon or anyone else on this thread

cant blame anyone for becoming annoyed
By:
lfc1971
When: 05 Jul 18 20:26
you see studyform says the NHS is being sold off to big business , but we need building firms to build hospitals, we need , at least in theory IT systems, we need car parks, whoever runs them is neither here nor there

so he will have to look elsewhere for the underlying problems
By:
lfc1971
When: 05 Jul 18 20:31
by the way don't bother reading that full fact site on immigration and the NHS that studyform suggests

it is telling lies within the first few paragraphs
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 05 Jul 18 21:15
No it isn't, but you can't be swayed from what you are certain of, lfc.

Given your superior intellect, this is not a good trait.
In fact I'm starting to have doubts about it, maybe you are actually clueless after all, I don't know.

You will not find a less biased or fairer source of information, anywhere.
There are no lies, only stuff you don't want to know.

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-immigration-and-pressure-nhs/
By:
lfc1971
When: 05 Jul 18 21:24
first of all, even by their own figures EU immigrants do not cover their costs

and secondly they haven't understood how to make the calculation, which means that the costs are even greater

so there is no point reading that is there?
By:
lfc1971
When: 05 Jul 18 21:32
look at it this way study, they are basing their figures on immigrants, who by the very nature of being such have not paid into the healthy service

lets take an example, not an extreme one, of someone who comes to live and work in Britain, they are here 2 or 3 years working  and fall ill and have to use the health service

then they return home, who is paying for those costs, well the individual may very well have had to work for a further 40 years or more to pay for those costs

but hes gone back home, maybe never to return

now that is the nature of immigration, or rather freedom of movement
that is the problem

and that is something , just one there are others, that that full fact site doesn't understand or take into account when it does its calculations

there is no point quoting numbers, if you don't understand numbers
By:
lfc1971
When: 05 Jul 18 21:34
Does that make any sense, and do you see why that full fact site doesn't make any sense in the real world?
By:
lfc1971
When: 05 Jul 18 21:34
Does that make any sense, and do you see why that full fact site doesn't make any sense in the real world?
By:
lfc1971
When: 05 Jul 18 21:37
they are basing their figures on the tax he might (or might not have paid ) for 2 or 3 years
that doesn't matter, they are wrong to base anything on that
he has to be here for 70 years at least
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 05 Jul 18 21:39
OR, they could be here for 20 years, work and pay in, and not use the NHS. Because their home is here (hence the term immigrant).

I'm too tired to play games with you lfc. I work too hard and have other things to do.

Plus, there is nothing to be gained - you collate the information any way you want to, really.
I'm going to bed.
By:
lfc1971
When: 05 Jul 18 21:43
of course he could, study , so could anyone immigrant or not
that isn't the point, the point is the nature of immigration now , it costs the health service now , and will do for decades longer
By:
lfc1971
When: 05 Jul 18 21:45
now I know you have a closed mind to anything like this, that's ok
it doesn't stop the facts, and the facts are that that full fact site doesn't know what is talking about, or at least pretends not to
don't trust it anyway
By:
lfc1971
When: 05 Jul 18 21:47
Its up to you study, if you disagree you are going to have to say why, after all
I have explained why I disagree

of course you don't have to, that's fine
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