lol,what makes me tired is having a bit of banter with you North but at least you give an answer unlike some

Talking about never a straight answer, he"s here now

This isn't difficult terry, which of these do you disagree with about paddock:

buying multiple guns

buying large amounts of ammunition

checking into a hotel room

videoed bringing many large suitcases up to his hotel room

found dead in the hotel room after the shooting with the above referenced guns, ammunition and suitcases around him.

i don't think he actually has any theory about the skripal case, but if he has i imagine that it will be as laughable as all his other beliefs.

btw where have I been proven wrong on anything,would you kindly list them Dave ta

Not sure that the Las Vegas shootings are connected to the Salisbury 'poisonings' .
Completely different MO , plus the Las Vegas shooter was pronounced dead at the scene ..........

Dave not answering any questions it seems.

^ Good observations.

If it was Russians then perfume bottle makes sense in terms of smuggling. Does this increase the possibility of a Rosa Klebb doing the deed (or at least smuggling it in)? If the henchman was a man, would a bottle of Brut not be the logical smuggling receptacle? 

Would agree that if the Eau De Novichok was brewed up here then first thought it you don't need to go to those lengths to carry it about (plus there are Shirley safer carrying methods for the 21st century assassin than a glass bottle?). Then again I suppose you can't exactly walk 'round Salisbury with a Super Soaker full of the stuff, so perfume bottle still useful for practical reasons.

But then this segues into the Skripal II incident and how and why (and when) it came about. If we go with the accidental found-perfume-bottle-under-bush account (and presumably Rowley's account has shaped this) are we really believing that the would-be Skripal assassin (whether Klebb or Bond) just chucked the Novichok under a bush once to get rid? Seems incredibly unlikely to me. If you're Klebb, you'd could Shirley come up with a better hiding place than that. If you're Bond, you simply take the Brut bottle back to Q.

suppose a spy or smuggler would happily smuggle in perfume bottle, but if it
was mixed in uk ....why put it in a perfume bottle?

If this perfume bottle thesis turns out to be true then to me a pattern becomes more apparent.
Whether the Skirpals were originally targetted or not may be a red herring, based on the fact he had a background of espionage.

If it were put into a perfume bottle then it looks remarkably like the insidious tactic used with computer virus attacks using USB sticks.
Most people on finding a bottle of perfume would spray it even if they were then to throw it away.
Depending on its smell and assumed worth (perfume bottles tend to be very elaborate in design to increase their perception of value) then a person might even keep it.

With USB virus attacks, USB sticks are just left in public areas, car parks etc to look like somebody might have dropped something that creates intrigue and the nosey finder then attaches it to their computer and then the virus is passed to that device.

Well the perfume bottle acts the very same, just instead of a compter virus its a nerve agent and instead of the computer its a human.
Just the very presence of such an agent in the population is enough to create a story, perhaps the Skirpals were just unintended prey in the first instance.

Usual sh1te then from Dave 20.09 dumping the "Official" claptrap,i mean whats there not to believe .
But like ive always said...the guy is a troll and not even a good one...don't censor him...let him speak so we can hear just how thick and uninformed he is.

And is how TROLL work, "yer thick,yer stupid,yer this yer that!
No you like mexico(one or the same)? NEVER EVER ANSWER A SINGLE QUESTION, get lost man

terry you are stupid though, that's the point.  You promote absurd theories that would require thousands of people to conspire in silence.  Not just one conspiracy theory but dozens, unrelated requiring thousands and thousands more. 

You won't answer the simplest of questions about your theories, like "did the apollo mission actually land on the moon" if no "how did they fake the telecoms traffic".

With the Vegas shooting you simply scream "patsy" without explaining:

Paddock bought the guns and ammo, Paddock checked into the hotel room, Paddock is videoed bringing multiple large suitcases to his room, after the shooting from his hotel room, Paddock is found dead surrounded by his suitcases full of the guns and ammo he bought.

In this case you say "the skripal case is a totally mystery but I do think it was set up to blame the Russians".

Once again no effort at all to consider the logistics and payoff of such a plan.

Russia's stock with the West has never been lower, there is hardly a pressing need to smear them.  This plan would require some sort of authority in government, who would allow the nerve agent to be developed immediately involving many people (who would know the use it had been put to after the event) - an enormous risk.  The payoff for this huge risk - a few diplomats sent home?

It is slightly more plausible that the material was stolen from Russia by British agents, but surely it would have been equally effective for smearing purposes just to announce that Russia had stocks of the substance? 

We are never going to know what Skripal was up to which would provide insight into whether the UK wanted him alive or the Russians wanted him dead, so there really isn't any point in speculating.  Russia has a track record of making strong statements when killing people that it feels are a threat, so it isn't at all surprising that they would use such a method.

You are a waste of space Dave,were you a bully at school as well sweetheart?

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* though it is more likely the above tactic might have been used to target the female skirpal

Motive and whodunnit aside, I'm not sure that really squares with it being a door handle at the Skripal's that was seemingly "squirted", and not the Skripal daughter - this latter incident seems much more consistent with the woman seeing what the perfume was like. It would also mean that whoever done it m'lud would have had to go back to the Skripal house to fetch the perfume bottle back so they could chuck it under the bush.

Presumably plod have asked/will ask the Skripals if they encountered the bottle they've now got.

Yes, Skripal daughter could feasibly have done the wrist thing and contaminated the door handle. But how plausible is it that she survived direct contact yet Sturgess died doing (presumably) the same thing? Appreciate you can have different reactions/exposure levels etc. etc, but...

If she didn't like it and decided to chuck it in the bin, why the time lapse to Sturgess/Rowley taking a hit? What's the perfume bottle been doing all this time, and is brother's story about finding it under the bush accurate? Also, plod were all over the Skripal's house on the same day (and you'd think they'd have the nouse to check the bins) so, if the perfume bottle was fished out of the bin by a "passer by", they wouldn't have had much time to do it. It would also have been daylight.

Dave says its the Russians cos he read it the Sun so must be true

Whichever rag Dave

Was it summat to do with Sky News being on a loop ?

Russia obvs 1.01 to refuse the request. Cue another couple of weeks of gesticulating and telling teacher and accusations and then we can forget about it again for a while.

I would almost be easier to list reasons for why they wouldn't refuse!!

If they're not innocent - and Putin/Kremlin know this - then that would obviously be a good reason for refusing.
Then if you look at the record for extradition requests being granted... the H2H figures don't look good for lumping on over 1.5 to be extradited.
And even if Russia genuinely isn't involved, they took up a clear stance once the UK had accused them of being involved - they're not going to roll over now and say "oh, well done on finding your man. Ever so sorry he turned out to be one of ours. Here you go".