Westminster 'paedophile ring' accuser charged

Nick is obviously a sandwich short of a toolbox. They ought to be looking at all the police who took his claims seriously.

Nothing to be said about chit-chatters who believed him.

https://timetostartcaring.com/here-is-a-list-of-100-paedophile-councillors-o...

Brave man to take on the Rich and Powerful,and now look at the result.

Injera's list is very worrying but surely some at least of those were cleared? Classic smear tactics. Try it with other crimes. Those people over there are convicted moped muggers so these other people over here must be as well. Is that how it works?

None of this is evidence that Nick's allegations of rape and murder against ministers and the prime minister were true. If they are charging Nick then finally the police have caught up. It is the Met and other forces who announced guilt who should be in the dock alongside Nick, who really seems a bit of a pathetic figure. It is not his fault the police took him seriously without applying even a modicum of common sense -- murders without bodies or even missing person reports: pull the other one. The Prime Minister who is guarded 24x7 sneaking off to boys' homes: in disguise was he?

Meanwhile the children who are being raped right now by various gangs up and down the country can whistle for help.

Name the one who were cleared?

Did you read your own list ?

I only skimmed it but Harvey Proctor was cleared for a start.

'Nick' was obviously a fantasize from 3 minutes listening to him. The Police who took him seriously should be sacked.

Not 'my' list. Of course some were cleared. Nature of sexual offences that failure to consent is v hard to prove.

How many of the 100 were cleared?

Why do these people put themselves in a position to be even questioned by the Filth???

If someone accuses you of a sex offence 10 years before how do you avoid being in that position ?

A LIST OF CHILD SEX OFFENDERS INSIDE THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT including people who were cleared. Dear me. I'd get that nonsense deleted ASAP.

I'm sure John Wedger could add even more names to the list if he'd been allowed to continue his investigations .
'Nick' would not be the first whistleblower to face a lengthy jail term . Melanie Shaw is a classic example .
Undoubtedly a total media blackout will be ordered in relation to this case and then all we will have will be rumour and conjection which will probably be closer to the truth than anything that is revealed through the government controlled media at a later date .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLeEiSRsNkQ

John Wedger interview. Maybe watch that then decide if "nick" was a liar

jamesdean :
John Wedger highlights just the tip of the iceberg . If you have the time to dig a little deeper you'll find a cesspit of cover-ups involving high ranking figures in the political establishment stretching back 50 years .
I suggest you check out Andrew Norfolk 'An Uncomfortable Truth' .

I will do that, reynard.


Seemingly the Jill Dando one is quite interesting as well. Kill jill it's called on youtube, 4 parter.

The Jill Dando assassination (Kill Jill) has nothing whatsoever to do with paedophilia , although this has been used as a red herring to divert attention . There would appear to be a possible connection with british security services but what is more alarming is the MI5 connection to the London nail bomber David Copeland highlighted in the documentary , which may or may not be connected with Jill Dando's murder .

Ahh

I thought she was going to reveal stuff and was taken out. I've not seen it yet though so will leave comment til watched it.

There is a suggestion that she was in possession of very sensitive , maybe even incriminating , information that specific individuals did not want revealed but it is pure speculation . However , there is compelling evidence to suggest that this may be the case . Either way it does paint a very disturbing picture of the British security services .

Following the recent 'spy poisoning' case in Salisbury it was revealed that Novichok was the specific nerve agent used and that this indicated that the "Russians did it" . Who revealed this information ? The government controlled media . Oh well it MUST be true cos it was on the BBC ! Case closed !
Very few people stop to think the following :-
If the Russians wanted him dead why didn't they do it while he was incarcerated back home in Russia ?
If the Russians did it why did they use a Russian nerve agent produced nearly 2000 miles away in Moscow ? (The ultimate "smoking gun")
If the Russians did it why didn't they simply execute him with a single bullet and make a good job of it ?

Let's face facts , if Novichok WAS the nerve agent involved Skripal and his daughter WOULD NOT have survived .
The probable nerve agent used is between 10-20% of the lethal capacity of Novichok .
Novichok is produced 2000 miles away in Moscow , weaker nerve agents are produced at Porton Down ONLY 10 miles from Salisbury .

Motive ?
Well it wouldn't be the first time that a government tried to deflect attention away from other issues . Maybe , with Brexit on the horizon it wouldn't be a bad idea to make the British people feel that they needed the comforting arms of our European neighbours rather than be cast adrift and left to fend for ourselves . Either way it is highly probable that the Russian's didn't do it ...... WE DID IT !!!

^ amazing the rubbish some people believe

what it has to do with brexit I do not know

^ Reynard

Nonsense !

Putin's Criminal Gang have no restraint....UK has to act within the law.

They were sending a message to all Russians who may have been thinking of going against them.

no, no leopard . Britain poisoned the skirpals to warn us not to vote brexit!

Any Brit acting illegally can later be taken to court and jailed....in the Internet Age...all secrets are revealed eventually.

lfc......Russia acted with Farage and Cambridge Analytica to swing the Brexit vote.

really? I didn't notice them on the BBC

I said 'maybe' but it was very unlikely carried out by the Russian State

I noticed that Reynard, you also said some nonsense about it being linked to brexit
so anything else you said can be safely disregarded

Scepticism is the best way to treat offcial news these days. I'm with Reynard, Salisbury was most probably diversionary. The whole thing was very, very odd. Still Porton Down quickly got another £48m of public money so they did well.

I see the lists I posted have gone. Notice how I made no comment on specific cases. I just posted a list of those questioned + cleared and those prosecuted. Nothing I put up is not in the public domain.

Dozens of MPS, councillors and advisors have been accused with many convicted of sexual offences often involving children. Is there a paedo ring? No idea but with the cover ups in a number of UK institutions regarding these crimes it wouldn't be a shock.

Those institions where cover ups have gone on for years:

BBC (Savile et al)
NHS (Savile et al)
Childrens' Homes. See Jersey for example.
Councils/Child Services/Govt (Grooming gangs)
Catholic Church
Protestant Church
Save the Children
Oxfam
Any others??

What injera doesn't seem to understand is that you cannot make terrible and false accusations against individuals as this character seems to have done, or might have done

the British courts will decide, and if he is guilty he should serve many years in prison

I haven't commented on him lfc. I've merely pointed out that there's a staggeringly high number of MPs and their cohorts who are now on the sexual offenders register.

Regarding 'Nick's claim of a ring, I said 'ive no idea'.

lfc1971
I put that up as an example of a motive . Why are you so certain that it was carried out by a foreign state ?

you see scepticism is very important, and it is important to be sceptical of people
and what they might say
now read the rubbish just there by Reynard, or course it suits some people like injera to not look to sceptically at that
that's not a good policy

Shamefully I forgot to mention a certain other institution..

The P O L I C E

Reynard I haven't made any comment on that, I only said that your comments didn't make sense, to me

Now if they did that would be ok, they dont

lfc - you don't think it was odd that UK Govt blamed Russia immediately and within 2 weeks gave Porton Down £48m?

Anyway, that's off topic.

Injera the government had no need to try and murder the skirpils in order to finance porton down

I am sorry I don't see any connection, you may do
that says quite a lot right there imo

I said 'maybe this Brexit stuff was a motive , one among many (I used this example because one or two other motives make far more uncomfortable reading , poor choice I agree and not one I neccessarily support)
I'm sure you're aware that it is not easy to get your point across by messaging as opposed to face to face discussion .
My point was that the government were too quick to point the finger and the facts actually point to the perpertrators being much closer to home .
Again , I respect your views on my earlier post but you only seem critical of the final , poorly constructed paragraph . Does this mean you possibly concur with my earlier ramblings ?

no I don't agree with any of it, I would be inclined to think it was Russia , either directly or indirectly perhaps some nerve agent is in the hands of groups acting for putin or others

Fair enough , I respect your opinion .
On what did you base that opinion , out of interest ?

I see no reason to think it was British agents acting on behalf of the government as a warning to the british people not to pursue hopes of brexit, sorry

Forget Brexit ! I said I used that as an example of a 'possible' political motive .
On what is your 'opinion' based , please ?

I base that on the fact that in Russia, and outside Russia Putin has had opponents murdered, that's just a little sign right there

Very good point . Of course , outside of the UK , the British have never had anyone executed ?

now Britain may be in the habit of murdering Russian agents, in Britain or in Russia or anywhere else
Any examples?

I never said anything different to you . You are basing your knowledge on what you hear on the news or read in the papers . Who controls the media ? Do you really expect them to tell us what our secret service is doing ?

Who have the  Russians murdered in the UK ?

So no examples then that you can mention?

None that I can mention , no .

well lets put it this way Reynard, there are two men in Russia right now, who Britain have named as murderers using radioactive agent , and who Britain have requested that should stand trial
but Putin wont extricate them, have you forgotten about that case only a few years ago in london

Does Litvinenko jog you memory , no?

So no convictions ? Would the UK refuse to extricate or even extradite a suspect without being given solid evidence to suggest they have a case to answer ?
I , personally believe that Alexander Litvinenko WAS murdered by an eastern european assassin , probably Russian , but this is yet to be proven beyond all reasonable doubt (remember that - "reasonable doubt") .
I , and many others , have "reasonable doubt" as to the Skripal case , that is all I'm saying . I am very sceptical of 'facts' released by the government through the mainstream media .

I agree that we should be sceptical in what we believe

you see when I get a number 12 bus to Hammersmith I believe it will take me to hammersmith
I dont believe it will be driven by father Christmas

That's the basics, you see you asked had Russia ever murdered someone in London
I mentioned one such case

A british judge concluded that Litvinenko was poisoned by two Russian men,acting on the behest of russias security services , probably with the approval of Putin

Britain asked that they stand trial , Putin refused

Now you like to think it wasn't these two named men,
that's ok
but there are others of course, but I think you have made your mind up
no point going any further

lfc1979 - I will not insult you , or anyone else for that matter , by describing anything you post as 'rubbish' or 'nonsense' because I believe in the value of freedom of speech/expression , and I respect the opinions and theories expressed by others . I will however look critically at their posts and try and examine their opinions objectively and in order to do so I believe it is vitally important to establish where they glean their information .
Again , on what do you base your opinions regarding Skripal , for example ?

I have seen , on you tube , a London bus (not neccessarily the NO.12 to Hammersmith) being driven by someone dressed up as Santa Claus .

Secondly , I don't take the word of a british judge as gospel , given the high levels of corruption within the judiciary so I am naturally sceptical of his findings . However I do NOT rule out the possibility that it is the two named men .

I repeat , what are the sources of your information ?

Reynard it’s a question of judgement , you see there is no point you saying that you have seen Father Christmas
I don’t believe you

And I don't believe I claimed to have seen Father Christmas (Read again - slowly)
Thanks for your reply re: source of information . Unfortunately you have neglected to state the sources on which you base your judgement !

It’s ok I noticed that , I didn’t want to point it out as the usual devious ways of avoiding the underlying truth
So I suggest you read what I said and try and understand it had nothing to do with clothes
It’s about what it is reasonable to believe and why isn’t

Now if we can’t be honest and stop throwing up dust we won’t get very far will we

I don't recall a conversation involving fashion
Source/sources please ?

lfc - which major establishment announcements have you NOT agreed with?

For example: did you believe in Blair's 'Uk interests are 45 minutes from an attack' re Saddam Hussein?

There he goes again , it’s like this I listen to news here and there , I only listen if it interests me
This case did , you may have listened to the same news or perhaps different or more news , although I notice that litvinenki seemed to have slipped your mind
If was only one example of Russians murdered in London or the UK
There are others , feel free to come to your own conclusions on them as well

So I conclude , through your reluctance to respond directly , that you watch national TV news programmes (BBC ITV etc.) and read national newspapers (Sun , Guardian , Independant etc.) .
Thanks for that , it helps me greatly in understanding what angle you're coming from and why you hold the views that you hold .

..... and no , Alexander Litvinenko hadn't slipped my mind . Nor had Georgi Markov (although that was possibly a Hungarian state ordered assassination).
Unfortunately in these cases all I have to go on is what is in the public domain due to the sensitivity of such cases at the time .

sorry Reynard I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that Litvinenko
had slipped your mind , he hadn’t ?

That’s worse

You see when you asked did I know of any Russians murdered in London , by Russians and possibly Putin

And I asked you does no one come to mind , well litvinenko was on my mind
But you didn’t even think to mention him when asked , not even as a possibility

Well I’m sorry that makes me a little suspicious of anything else you might say
I don’t know why

Unfortunately modern history is littered with high-level covers ups . Hillsborough (Lord Justice Taylor) , Iraq War (Chilcott report) soon to be added Grenfell Tower (Sir Martin Moore-Bick presiding judge) which will possibly result in a large proportion of the blame being put upon the responding fire officers . The enquiry into the corruption and cover up by the Met , of serious child abuse claims within the care system , is being overseen by the very police officer (name withheld) that silenced the original investigations of John Wedger . How is this going to uncover the truth when the panel chairman has a vested interest in suppressing the facts ?
All of these enquiries have and will have one thing in common . Their finding will be publicised through the national media who are no longer independant .
If you wish to form use judgement to form your opinions based on what you are told by government controlled media outlets then so be it . Your opinion will still be respected by myself , as it is your right to have an opinion , but I will maintain my right to question the validity of such opinions .

I still do not know of any individuals that have , beyond all reasonable doubt (remember that bit?) , been murdered in the UK by Russian operatives - with or without Putin's approval - simply because there have been no convictions that I am aware of . Incidentally , you never asked me for examples of people murdered within the UK by Russians , that is whyn I never gave you any examples .

It was removed because the "list of 100 paedophile councillors or uk political party affiliated members" was nothing of the sort and therefore libellous.

How many were convicted Die Linke?

Care to do a spread?

A vast majority , I would imagine , and they're just the ones that we know about

I guess you don't know about Proctor, Tallboys and Powell?

Or maybe Green? Bryant? Harding?

All convicted. All MPs and councillors.

Oh and this piece of work....

Labour Councillor (Northampton/Northamptonshire), and former School Governor, Alec Dyer-Atkins – Convicted and jailed for 2 years in 2003 for downloading more than 42,000 pictures and films described in court as “Horrifying images of child abuse”. Dyer-Atkins was a member of an international paedophile ring called `The Shadows Brotherhood` which was successfully penetrated following sterling work by Britain’s National Hi-Tech Crime Unit (NHTCU). Commenting on the conviction of the depraved Labour Party beast, NHTCU Deputy Head, Mick Deats said: “This man had some of the worst images on his computers that officers from this unit have ever viewed”.

Then there"s the untouchables who know they will get away with it

No idea, Injera. I notice Will Straw was on there though! Nobody would be going for some potless nutcase running a madcap Wordpress blog, but having Harvey Proctor on a list of "list of 100 paedophile councillors or uk political party affiliated members" is libel plain and simple. Not sure how many others were libelled, I'd guess a few more.

Proctor pleaded guilty to gross indecency in 1987.

The age of consent for gays then was 21 and he was with underage boys.

FAO lfc1979

leazes67 • July 5, 2018 10:34 AM BST
The Amesbury Mystery 110
5 Jul, 2018  in Uncategorized by craig
We are continually presented with experts by the mainstream media who will validate whatever miraculous property of “novichok” is needed to fit in with the government’s latest wild anti-Russian story. Tonight Newsnight wheeled out a chemical weapons expert to tell us that “novichok” is “extremely persistent” and therefore that used to attack the Skripals could still be lurking potent on a bush in a park.

Yet only three months ago we had this example of scores from the MSM giving the same message which was the government line at that time:
“Professor Robert Stockman, of the University of Nottingham, said traces of nerve agents did not linger. He added: ‘These agents react with water to degrade, including moisture in the air, and so in the UK they would have a very limited lifetime. This is presumably why the street in Salisbury was being hosed down as a precaution – it would effectively destroy the agent.'”

In fact, rain affecting the “novichok” on the door handle was given as the reason that the Skripals were not killed. But now the properties of the agent have to fit a new narrative, so they transmute again.

It keeps happening. Do you remember when Novichok was the most deadly of substances, many times more powerful than VX or Sarin, and causing death in seconds? But then, when that needed to be altered to fit the government’s Skripal story, they found scientists to explain that actually no, it was pretty slow acting, absorbed gradually through the skin, and not all that deadly.

Scientists are an interesting bunch. More than willing to ascribe whatever properties fit the government’s ever more implausible stories, in exchange for an MSM appearance fee, 5 minutes of fame and the fond hope of a research grant.

According to the Daily Telegraph today, the unfortunate Charlie Rowley is a registered heroin addict, and if true Occam’s Razor would indicate that is a rather more likely reason for his present state than an inexplicably persistent weaponised nerve agent.

If it is however true that two separate attacks have been carried out with “novichok” a few miles either side of Porton Down, where “novichok” is synthesised and stored for “testing purposes”, what does Occam’s razor suggest is the source of the nerve agent? A question not one MSM journalist seems to have asked themselves tonight.

I am slightly puzzled by the picture the media are trying to paint of Charlie Rowley and Dawn Sturgess as homeless, unemployed addicts. The Guardian and Sky News both state that they were unemployed, yet Charlie was living in a very new house in Muggleton Road, Amesbury, which is pretty expensive. According to Zoopla homes range up to £430,000 and the cheapest ones are £270,000. They are all new build, on a new estate, which is still under construction.

Both Charlie Rowley and Dawn Sturgess still have active facebook pages and one of Charlie’s handful of “Likes” is a mortgage broker, which is consistent with his brand new house. They don’t give mortgages to unemployed heroin addicts, and not many of those live in smart new “executive housing” estates. Both Charlie and Dawn appear from their facebook pages to be very well socialised, with Dawn having many friends in the teaching profession. Even if she has been homeless for a period as reported, she is plainly very much part of the community.

Naturally, there is no mention in all the reports today of MI6’s Pablo Miller, who remains the subject of a D notice. I wonder if he knows Rowley and Sturgess, living in the same community? It should be recalled that Salisbury may be a city, but its population is only 45,000.

The most important thing is of course that Charlie and Dawn recover. But tonight, even at this early stage, as with the entire Skripal saga, the message the security services are seeking to give out does not add up. Mark Urban’s piece for Newsnight tonight was simply disgusting; it did not even pretend to be more than a propaganda piece on behalf of the security services, who had told Urban (as he said) that Yulia Skripal’s phone “could have been” tapped by the Russians and they “might even” have listened to her conversations through the microphone in her telephone. That was the “new evidence” that the Russians were behind everything.

As a former British Ambassador I can tell you with certainty that indeed the Russians might have tapped Yulia, but GCHQ most definitely would have. It is, after all, their job, and billions of our taxes go into it. If tapping of phones is seriously presented as evidence of intent to murder, the British government must be very murderous indeed.