£350m a week for the NHS?

Money tree found alive and well

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/24/boost-for-hammond-as-budget-deficit-hits-lowest-level-since-2007

Britain’s budget deficit has dropped to the lowest level since before the financial crisis, laying the ground for Philip Hammond to raise government spending on public services later this year.

The Office for National Statistics said public sector net borrowing, excluding the state-owned banks, dropped by £3.5bn to £42.6bn in the last financial year, cutting the budget deficit to the lowest level since the year ending March 2007.

The OBR forecasts the deficit will fall to £37.1bn this year, around a quarter of what the government borrowed between March 2009 and April 2010 at the peak of the financial crisis.

- tremendous news back in April. Set to get even better by Christmas.

  Sounds good to me .Nice to see a Remoaner straight on to challenge this .

only £40 billion borrowing this year....strong and stable....add that to national debt theresa...

government in a mess on brexit...

add up the 5 years extra money and spin it to gullible newspapers

dont count what youve cut over past 8 years.


dont include extra school funding, social care or welfare caused by job losses.



hey everything is rosey on the magic money tree(s)

........any pray inflation doesnt erode the 3% per annum extra money over 5 years .....

It's remarkable how these left-wingers can change tack at the drop of a hat.

One minute they're calling for more cash for the NHS screaming about underfunding.
Then the next minute if the cash has been forthcoming, they're screaming about inefficiency and prudence. Or spending the money on more important issues, yet what's more important than the nation's health?

Strange lot these left-wingers, scatterbrains or what?

The Spivs have admitted that taxes will need to rise , will the tory fan boys  be glad to hear that ?

no, are you?

Brexit will leave the Uk in debt. There will be no ' surplus' . Professional finance people all agree on this.
So May, once again , lies. Even hapless and clueless Hunt blurted out on news report this morning that any '  contribution ' from Brext would be
" No where near enough "

It is obvious that what is being proposed is an increase in tax, either income tax or increase in NHi contributions.

If the government are genuinely interested in a long term plan, surely as much focus as possible should be on the demand rather than the supply.
ie, lets address the general healthiness of the nation.   School meals, PE, provision for facilities for exercise, food industry, smoking and boozing,  handing out pills like fckg smarties and so on.

Majority of people shouldn't need any sort of healthcare until they are sixty or over, if they've lived vaguely sensibly and not ragged themselves to pieces through their poor lifestyle choices.  Too many clogging up the NHS with preventable maladies, that stop those who really need it getting immediate and full access.

Since you know everything facts, what sort of debt are we talking about ?


ps how are you lodgers ?

WA BOC.

How does the reported extra 389 million per week relate to as a per year extra spend? I read that 1p on income tax, raises ca. 5 billion for the exchequer.

£20bn

1p on income tax raising £5bn sounds right

Income tax is only a tiny proportion of tax revenue for the government.
Not that you'd think it.

Taxes are snidely increased and invokes all the time. We only really notice when we can't afford things.

This money is not money back from the EU and is a projection based on all manner of income sources.

But as always on this poncey waste of time of a forum since all that ever happens is you get is BS about 'leftie' or 'remoaner' in place of looking at plain fact.
Which is about the only reason some of you use this forum.

Amazing isn't it? The government/Trump can do no wrong with you. Even when they do and say loads wrong.

Oh and £50 billion for HS2 - About the most pointless waste of money we haven't got.

That would pay nearly everything off.

Study,

Income Tax is actually the biggest element of total tax revenue at 25%. Followed by NICs (19%) and VAT (18%)

Yes, but 75% is a lot more than 25%. New forms of taxation and differing rates for taxes than income tax happen at every budget.
Also, would suspect than income tax suffers the least Avoision.

*other than.

Yes, it's probably difficult for employees to avoid income tax.

I would suggest there is capacity within the economy to raise more tax. Total tax revenue is currently around 37% of GDP.

Income tax accounts for 25% of revenues for the government, the highest of all incomes. stop talking leftie crap.

Still on the attack, I.S?
so tell me...

IS 25% A MINORITY OR A MAJORITY OF 100%?
What is 'Leftie' about stating matters of fact?

After the crap you pontificated the other evening, because you're a pr1ck, you are now just exposing yourself as a stalker.

Anyway I've stated a fact.

A minority of tax revenue in income tax.
Is this true or not?

You ought to try thinking (even though it's difficult for you) before typing.

I do think it's reprehensible that the public will have to PAY more for the NHS.

I mean...really. Doesn't May realise this is the age of entitlement??

I don't think most people have a problem with that, injera.
It's when May pretends the money is coming from somewhere it isn't that's the issue.

Borrowing is at its lowest for 10 years. She has leeway that's for sure. But I agree, communication is shocking.

After all the posturing on this area and demands for tax rises from Labour, last election they stood on a manifesto of tax rises, May announces a large increase in NHS funding with hints there will be tax rises to fund it and ..

....Labour complain and suddenly are the party of no tax rises!

Imagine the outcry though if it was Labour in power and announcing.

"Where's the money coming from?"
"Brexit Dividend"
"But your own figures say that doesn't exist"
"Well y'know. Ok then. Erm, efficiencies. Some tax rises. The important thing is we are doing this."
"But can I ask some more about how you're paying for this?"
"No. You've had my answer, now be gone"





Just imagine the press being so meek and accepting if it was Diane Abbott announcing this. Me neither.

borring is highest its ever been

rate of increase is lower but looks set to rise ....

borrowing

No, May didn't announce hints of tax rises. She said it woud be a "Brexit dividend".
Also, why hint? Why not just say?

No-one is objecting to increased funding through tax.

As I always say. People see what they want to see.

She said Brexit would partly fund it then said taxes will rise.
If you are going to play the provider of facts and giver of insight into other people's bias, at least attempt to get your facts right:
https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-confirms-tax-rises-to-fund-nhs-cash-boost-but-delays-detail-until-autumn-11408759
"Tax rise need to help pay for £20bn NHS boost, says PM"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-44516123

Etc. I'm sure you can you google to find extensive proof of how wrong you are...

Any mention of a "Brexit Dividend" is disingenuous. Everything else she said was waffle and evasion.

The rest is semantics and I'm not playing word games for an hour just so you can prove to yourself that the Tories are great and everyone else is a leftie.

As P&P said; Imagine if this had been a Corbyn announcement!

You just said she didn't mention tax rises, when she clearly did. End of story.

https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-under-pressure-to-explain-20bn-nhs-funding-plan-11408253

The initial report from her initial statement.
The stuff about tax rises came later after loads of pressure.

Just Checking    18 Jun 18 18:19 
After all the posturing on this area and demands for tax rises from Labour, last election they stood on a manifesto of tax rises, May announces a large increase in NHS funding with hints there will be tax rises to fund it and ..

....Labour complain and suddenly are the party of no tax rises!



Labour want tax rises for the most wealthy. Same as wanting big businesses and fat cats to pay the tax they are evading paying.

who is going to pay the billions that are pumped into northern Ireland by the EU, when the UK brexit .?

The unicorns brass. Don't worry. It's under control.

you can get a EU grant to do up a bedroom is a new baby is born into a family in Northern Ireland

thats another reason to vote brexit right there

and then you get the grant for the cot and the pram.and the grants go on on on until you reach pension age.and then you get the old age grant to go with your free house grant.

and who pays for these grants?

I think you are forgetting they can thank Britain for that

Exactly

brassneck is forgetting that it is Britain that pays for everything in Britain, and a lot in the rest of the EU also
he might be irish, theyre like that

studyform as far as I know income tax comes out of your pocket without your say
unlike other taxes, thats the difference

So by your stupid libtard maths you want people taxed at 100% ?

Isnt it about time you had another meltdown where you complained about a forum being infiltrated by people that dont agree with your views but still continues to posts on it

I'm very willing to meet you for a coffee ?

That's why it is a 100% tax, every penny you earn, even first 10,000 or so that isn't taxed is taxed
unlike other taxes, they are not 100% taxes like income tax

because if another form of tax is 50%, you don't have to pay it generally you can choose not to
income tax you cannot, it is a 100% tax

So far STUDYFROM has called me a pr1ck, a bellend & a focking idiot.


Who is disheveled ?

I am making valid arguments, you seem to be very, very angry. Maybe you need help with that from the nhs.

well its theft in a way , especially in the modern world
in the modern world no government has the right to impose income tax
other forms of tax yes possibly

Not sure about that lfc, i pay 2k tax every month.

The country cannot be run on nothing.

So by your stupid libtard maths you want people taxed at 100% ?

Where the F did I say, intimate or suggest that?

Coffee? Trust me, you are one of the last people I want to take me on a date. I can't get away from you on here, having a real life stalker is even worse.

LAST TRY:
THE ENTIRE TAX REVENUE - OR MONEY RAISED BY THE GOVERNMENT COMES FROM MANY SOURCES OR FORMS OF TAX.
INCOME TAX JUST MAKES UP 25% OF THE TOTAL AMOUNT. WE ALL PAY LOADS MORE TAX THAN JUST INCOME TAX.

That's it. There is NOTHING incorrect about that nor any other statement I've made.

The hurling of "libtard" and "leftie" as an insult, gets you some insults back. It's just that mine are more accurate.

Anything else you write about it is projection, is argumentative, or is trolldom.
It's a statement of fact nothing more, nothing less.

As always, sonko, you are ONLY posting on the thread to argue with me (oh, except for one argumentative dig at facts) About something which was entirely not worth arguing about.
You were out of order on Saturday, though you choose to ignore that.

As for me needing help - merely more projection, your obsession is more of an issue.
Existing on here just to start arguing about nothing, is the bigger problem.

Im pretty sure you attacked me on the this fred.

I am starting to think i am stupid, you clearly said 25% income tax was a minority which it isnt. Prove to me their is a higher tax ???

Clearly their are other taxes you stupid libtard retard. (i got the name calling from you)

Nice to see you notice the facts reply, how evident is that.

I have never been out of order, you show me the threads and i will apologise.

I think you are a vile libtard leftie who does not accept posts from others, your mind is already made up and you post that way.

Coffee ?

Studyform is wrong , we don’t all pay loads more tax than income tax
We pay more income tax than any other form of tax

we all know that, but if you are of the left then any tax is wrong if it is by a government other than the left.


The whole world know that he is wrong, but he a twisted libtard that cannot see.

the grants for northern ireland are funded by the 28 states because they are peace keeping grants(as far as i know,i could be wrong)WHEN the UK leave the waters round the UK will have to be patrolled ,if there is a hard border the UK Will need serious security on their side.And the biggest problem of all will be boat people trying to get into Northern Ireland and claim british status .The EU are likely to turn a blind eye to this as the boat people will be leaving their jurisdiction .now at the leave date the UK will not have their law sorted out and will still work under EU Law'this is my opinion and i reckon that there may be trouble ahead with an influx of boat people trying to reach britain before british law becomes rule,and its not going to worry the EU if these boat people head for northern ireland via the atlantic ocean.
the republic of ireland have only a few small boats to protect the whole island of ireland.
this will cost serious money.imvho

brassneck the 28 states , whatever they are, if it wishes can give as much money away as it likes , if it is silly enough

The other thread on saturday, which you are definitely aware of, was removed.
I wouldn't have minded if it had stayed -with the opening post not removed- as it showed you for the type of person you are.

As for attacking.... YOU addressed me:
Ibrahima Sonko  • June 18, 2018 2:17 PM BST 
Income tax accounts for 25% of revenues for the government, the highest of all incomes. stop talking leftie crap.



I didn't say there wasn't a higher tax - which you are definitely aware of.
I just said it's a minority of the government's tax revenue, which it is. As long as it's less than 50% of the total it is a minority of the total.
Nothing I said was incorrect.

I'll try simplifying for you. If you have a salad on your plate, which is made of 25% tomato, 20% lettuce, 15% coleslaw, 15% cucumber, 15% pasta, 10% horsesh|t.
And you leave the tomato but eat the rest, then you've eaten 75% (a majority) of the salad. The Tomato, which might have been the single biggest constituent was only 25% of the salad. it was a minority of what was on the plate.

lfc... you are just doing what you always do. You could easily substitute 'more' with 'other'. What I CLEARLY meant was that we pay many forms of taxation. Income tax is just one of MANY taxes. Some people - I don't know, maybe you're one of them, don't pay any income tax.
But you pay VAT, Council tax, insurance tax, travel tax (if you go travelling), and others.

NONE of this is of any consequence, as it was a mention (a statement of fact) in passing

The overkill of semantics on here must make you people wet yourselves with glee.

No you’ve got it back to front study , I have always paid income tax because I had no option
And also of course I agree it’s necessary perhaps
That i have paid since leaving school at 16 every year of my life
Now there are other taxes , but I try not to pay them unless I want to

Same as just about everyone else (who gets the choice) then.

That’s true , but no not everyone else
Not by a long shot

Is that really your reply ?

You should not be so single minded to make decision on what a person is or not on a forum, post what i did wrong ?

It cannot be a minority tax when it has the highest income.

You are are waste of time and space. & do want to meet for a coffee ?

& a big massive libtard.

another problem i imagine is that France and Spain and Portugal are not going to stop these migrants heading to britain ,all they will do is permit them to cross their land and move them on.No country wants millions of migrants (if the truth be told)and no country are going to hold the masses back,so in effect the leaving of the EU by UK to control migrants may in fact have the reverse effect,and its not going to bother the EU.
Remember 90% of boat people want to start a new life in the UK.But this is only an opinion of mine so sleep easy folks,but the EU states dont care where these people go once they dont stay in their country.

well I suppose anythings possible brassneck

I read it here

its the danger of a no deal on brexit that can kick this very situation off,so no deal is not a good idea for the UK to suggest,as it could(and i stress the word could) end up  being a "come into the web said the spider to the fly statement by the EU"in this very high stakes poker game called brexit.imvho.

theres never been so many people not on paye,absolutely millions now classed as self employed, ltd company , paying accountants to lower their tax bill, as showed by Charlie muggins crying in his bently outside the high court it suits big business to get millions off paye, paying 20p paye is now considered a mugs by millions of ordinary average, low paid workers

Charlie is one person, his employees pay tax

everyone pays income tax, doesn't matter who you are

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The 'Brexit Dividend' bullshit is a trick. It's so that any future attempts to rethink or tone down Brexit (or to apply for re-entry in five years) can be presented as "look at these people: they want to take money off the NHS and give it to Brussels".
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Just when you think Theresa May can't get any more mendacious, she goes along with this trick.

I'm no longer buying the "she's a good person doing a difficult balancing act" excuse.

She's playing vicious political games which will damage our country for generations.

May is telling the truth, the billions we will not be giving to the EU will be spent on the health service

the usual suspects don't want to be happy about that

pension auto enrolment is another reason big business and bosses like Charlie muggins don't want to class people as workers,
believe me i work with them, theres a generation of people been brought up to think paying 20p paye is for mugs and these individuals setting themselves up as ltd company and getting 5 million quids worth of so called liability insurance for a few quid a month is another scandal waiting to happen

I guess there's an incentive for both parties.

Basic rate of tax on dividend income ie drawings from a Limited Company is 7.5%. Higher rate is 32.5%

You also receive a £2,000 allowance before you pay tax (on top of your income tax personal allowance). The dividend allowance was £5,000 until the current tax year.