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The Leopard
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What about the daily mail taking photos of that naked bike day ?
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https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018/jun/15/upskirting-to-become-a-criminal-offence-punishable-by-two-years-in-jail

Upskirting – the taking of surreptitious, sexually intrusive photographs – is to become a specific criminal offence punishable by up to two years in prison.

The justice minister Lucy Frazer confirmed on Friday that the government would back a private member’s bill introduced by the Liberal Democrat MP Wera Hobhouse outlawing the practice.

In the most serious cases, those convicted of secretly photographing underneath someone’s clothing without their consent in England and Wales will be placed on the sex offender register.

Such invasive behaviour is currently prosecuted under either the offence of outraging public decency or as a crime of voyeurism under the Sexual Offences Act.

Not all instances of upskirting, however, are covered by existing criminal law. One woman, Gina Martin, started an online campaign for the practice to be criminalised after police declined to prosecute a man whom she accused of snapping pictures of her on his phone at a music festival in Hyde Park in London last summer. She had been wearing underwear and the photograph was therefore not deemed to be illegal.

Frazer said: “This behaviour is a hideous invasion of privacy which leaves victims feeling degraded and distressed.

“By making upskirting a specific offence, we are sending a clear message that this behaviour will not be tolerated, and that perpetrators will be properly punished.

“I’d like to thank Wera Hobhouse, Gina Martin, and all other campaigners for their tireless work, and look forward to seeing the bill progress through parliament.”

Hobhouse’s bill will receive its second reading in the Commons on Friday. The MP said: “I got involved in politics to change things that my constituents and I care about. I am incredibly grateful to Gina Martin for starting this campaign, and for giving me the opportunity – in my first year in parliament – to do exactly that.

“The fact that the government have listened to our calls is testament to the widespread consensus that there was a gap in the law that needed to be addressed.”

Martin said: “Almost a year ago, I started my campaign to make upskirting a sexual offence after I was targeted … And now, the result of all that hard work is that women and girls who needed this law changed are now being heard by those in power.”

There have been a number of convictions recently, including that of Andrew Macrae, who was vice-president of ticketing company Live Nation. He was found to have amassed 50,000 images of strangers for his sexual gratification.

He was caught by an off-duty police officer who noticed a pen-shaped camera in a laptop bag that Macrae had placed between a woman’s legs at Clapham Junction station.

Katie Ghose, chief executive of Women’s Aid, said: “We welcome the government taking decisive action to make upskirting a criminal offence. This form of abuse is painful and humiliating for victims and often has a devastating impact on all aspects of their lives.

“By condemning this form of abuse, we can send out the powerful message that upskirting is unacceptable and perpetrators of this crime will be held to account.”

Professor Clare McGlynn of Durham University, an expert on the law on sexual offences, said: “The criminalisation of upskirting … is a welcome first step towards a more comprehensive law protecting victims of all forms of image-based sexual abuse, which also includes so-called ‘revenge porn’. We hope to work with the government to strengthen what is proposed in order to provide a truly effective deterrent, looking at intent, anonymity for all victims, and at threats.”

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The Leopard
When: 15 Jun 18 08:32
Naga wishing the BBC desk was 6 inches higher.....why did they make it so low ?

If she gave everyone a flash....would she go to jail for 2 years ?
By:
The Leopard
When: 15 Jun 18 08:37
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@BBCBreakfast You have an item today on #upskirting and yet your programme is the WORST culprit due to your low camera angle.  You must know that if you google any one of your female presenters you'll see clips recorded by voyeurs!!!  I'm amazed you have not addressed this!!!!
By:
The Leopard
When: 15 Jun 18 08:38
Coffee table to be raised tomorrow ?
By:
lfc1971
When: 15 Jun 18 09:41
what harm does it do?
By:
lfc1971
When: 15 Jun 18 09:46
everyone knew it was a criminal offence, so what has changed?
By:
trilby22
When: 15 Jun 18 09:53
Leo made it too obvious when he was hanging around the bottom of staircases in Ealing, imo Mischief
By:
cooperman
When: 15 Jun 18 09:58
Why don't you try reading the o/p's post which shows that not all instances are regarded a criminal offence. I can't imagine any sane person stating "what harm does it do?". Would anyone say something like that if their wives or daughters were targeted by the sort of pervert who thinks this sort of thing is acceptable.
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The Leopard
When: 15 Jun 18 10:04
trilby....better not to project your pastimes onto others

Seems the MP promoting Bill is German :
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wera_Hobhouse

On 6 March 2018, Hobhouse presented a Private Members' Bill to amend the Sexual Offences Act 2003; her bill would outlaw acts of voyeurism, especially upskirting, which are not currently explicitly covered by UK law.[24][25] Justice Secretary David Gauke signalled that the government would support Hobhouse's bill.[26]

The bill was not debated at its presentation in the House of CommonsWhy not?

its second reading in the Commons is scheduled for 15 June 2018.[27]
Hobhouse is a member of the governing council of the Electoral Reform Society.[28]




Skirts and dresses to be made illegal as too provocative for weak men?

Muslim effect ?
By:
lfc1971
When: 15 Jun 18 10:17
cooperman can you give an example of when this wasn’t a criminal offence ?
Thanks ...
By:
lfc1971
When: 15 Jun 18 10:21
You see if you read carefully the op , as you suggest, you will see that it doesn’t make any sense
Go ahead read it slowly
By:
lfc1971
When: 15 Jun 18 10:25
Now it says Gina Millar started the campaign after police failed to prosecute because the person was wearing underwarer and therefore no prosecution
I don’t think this mp is telling the truth now is she ?
By:
lfc1971
When: 15 Jun 18 10:30
now cooperman if someone is wanting to change the law can’t be bothered to tell the truth
And people like you are stupid enough to listen to her
That’s not good , it’s dangerous when people are as stupid as that
By:
cooperman
When: 15 Jun 18 11:05
You really don't read, or absorb what you read. Her name is Gina Martin, not Gina Millar[sic] and she isn't an M.P., merely a victim who was prepared to campaign for a change in the law. Stupid? Take a look in the mirror.
By:
lfc1971
When: 15 Jun 18 11:08
I noticed that and expected you might mention it, that tells a lot right there

you don't understand why the op doesn't make sense do you
try reading it again and come back when you know what your,re talking about, ta
By:
lfc1971
When: 15 Jun 18 11:12
Go ahead cooperman, take you time...
By:
lfc1971
When: 15 Jun 18 11:14
* do  you want me to chance that to , your time

before you stop throwing up dust ?
By:
lfc1971
When: 15 Jun 18 11:15
Lets see...
By:
The Leopard
When: 15 Jun 18 11:17
Could you change chance to change....by any chance ? Wink
By:
lfc1971
When: 15 Jun 18 11:23
: ) very good leopard , you understand thanks
By:
The Leopard
When: 15 Jun 18 11:25
I understand you spelt change wrong.....no sure about the rest Wink
By:
The Leopard
When: 15 Jun 18 11:25
*not
By:
The Leopard
When: 15 Jun 18 11:26
I'm not perfect....yet !
By:
lfc1971
When: 15 Jun 18 11:30
yes leopard its difficult, its subtle

not the same thing as getting someone name wrong

lets see if Cooperman can understand it, anythings possible
By:
The Leopard
When: 15 Jun 18 11:33
What about on a beach....is it going to be illegal to take photos of women in bikinis ?
By:
lfc1971
When: 15 Jun 18 11:42
There is a law in place, now if that law should be changed then they are going to have to say why
And the person and people wanting to change the law will be best not to tell lies

As in the op
By:
lfc1971
When: 15 Jun 18 11:44
because when I read that sort of nonsense in the op it makes me suspicious

I don't know why
By:
Just Checking
When: 15 Jun 18 11:59
I hope this applies to "upkilting" for when Aka and Trilby go on their annual holiday to Blackpool! Wink
By:
trilby22
When: 15 Jun 18 11:59
Cool
By:
posy
When: 15 Jun 18 12:25
You'd think parliament would have better things to do than waste time on this issue which is to all intent and purposes already covered by legislation. Looks like the silly season has started earlier than normal this year.
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 15 Jun 18 12:39
Will tv presenters stop wearing low cut dresses? Steph McGovern (BBC) is always sitting front camera with a low cut dress to show a lot of thigh. BBC presenters are probably the worst for it imo.
By:
trilby22
When: 15 Jun 18 13:19
Had to look her up see who she was.  What an oogly looking woman.  Need something to divert from her boat, imo.
By:
Torquemada
When: 15 Jun 18 13:22
A low cut dress that show a bit of thigh? Woah, that really is low! What channel did you say she was on again? Laugh
By:
Crisp77
When: 15 Jun 18 13:54
I know a women who was traumatised by upskirting. She had to grow a beard so she wouldn't be recognised.
By:
The Leopard
When: 15 Jun 18 14:05
Pre-op tranny ?
By:
Gin
When: 15 Jun 18 14:21
By:
alun2005
When: 15 Jun 18 14:34
How are the tabloid newspapers going to manage now without their daily front page photo of some Z-List bimbette getting out of a taxi, thighs strategically opened (completely accidentally of course) revealing her knickers?
By:
Arklearkle
When: 15 Jun 18 15:11
In short its a private members bill making it illegal to take photographs of private members
By:
GLASGOWCALLING
When: 15 Jun 18 15:29
lone tory objects to upskirting law change.!!!! LaughLaughCry


    Christopher Chope has blocked the upskirting laws at the last minute. An unquestionable act of misogyny. How could anyone hate women so much that they would want it to be legal to take pictures of her genitals without her consent?


.. courtesy of twitter.
By:
Get me a drink
When: 15 Jun 18 15:32
It might be something in the specifics he objects to. Doesn't necessarily mean he hates women.
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