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Halal meat in schools and colleges
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lfc - would you ban pre-stunned halal? If so, why? I agree with you on labelling, but the issue is "stunning", isn't it?, unless you object to the shape of the knife and the prayers.
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I meant I would ban halal meat , I don’t want to even encourage the practice or allow it in Britain
Once that had been banned then we might talk about a form of halal that is humane , prestunned And then at that point it might be ok , with the proviso that it is still labelled as halal I still wouldn’t buy it |
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how are they allowed [in britain ] to kill these animals they way they do... i thought it would be illegal
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for my own reasons I wouldn’t buy it
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despite foreign species being introduced to this isle and causing chaos, the indigenous are fighting back
water vole population is growing after local intervention |
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how would one stun a water vole? show it a Mink!!??
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: ) good old moisok
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Cardenden/lfc - There is loads of information on this thread about slaughter methods.
Most Halal slaughter is now prestunned (80/85% even according to sources you would not expect to be sympathetic - RSPCA). From stunning on, the slaughter process is virtually identical, and in welfare terms IS identical. Loads of Halal meat is now produced in standard slaughterhouses for this very reason. Your position, as with others on here seems to be based on an ignorance of the standard non-halal slaughtering process. |
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Moisok - you appear to have some knowledge of the countryside! Bring back the mink hounds
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is that so how do we know and the problem of non prestunned halal is not on the increase ?
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I would say it is more likely to be an increasing problem, year on year
If not why will they not label ? |
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the liberal elite might oppose hounds like that to solve issues that affect the indigenous.
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in nature it is not just the species but also the environment it changes.
It also eliminates other species. we even have this with simpler forms such as river growth/weeds etc |
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I imagine for example they are afraid that if banned in the UK the supermarket chains will go to New Zealand or somewhere else and buy
Thus damaging our own industry That is why it should be illegal for New Zealand to sell the UK halal products |
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Historically and until relatively recently ALL Halal slaughter was unstunned. You should know that the raising, movement and slaughter of livestock is one of the most regulated processes in the UK. Yes like everything there will be an underground and a rogue element, BUT almost every interested and informed party agrees that the % of stunned to total is the majority and continuing to rise. Additionally it would be surprising if the increase in concern for animal welfare was uniquely a christian phenomenon - Most change is driven by customer behaviour.
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Another example of how immigration could damage our own industry
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I am happy if it is true Blackburn, I don’t know that I believe it
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* blackbarn
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lfc - well maybe not, but at least you are better informed.
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I don’t believe any government figures or even bodies like the RSPCA
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especially if they are in any way connected with race and religion and immigration
I don’t believe them , I’m like that |
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enpassant has the idea
except if you do try to implement some of his cause/effect by going to the person's responsible you are more likely to end up like robinson and plenty of others who get waylaid by the police for being outspoken imagine anyone normal ever getting on sky papers etc etc |
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ps you would become a target
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Nice work Blackbarn,
I am glad that animals are pre stunned with halal meat. As usual truth is the first casualty. I shall look at your list but I am now a little more reassured now knowing what you have told us. With regard to the tall slaughtermen required to cut the throats of animals raised by their front legs I think casemoney has found a new niche market  !I Think the Usual Suspects need to move on from this one. Found wanting again! I hope they don't give up their day jobs as the villages around the country still need them! |
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What about fish, do they whisk it away as soon as it's caught and cut it's throat before it dies on them?
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Like I said, every village needs one
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So which village do you satisfy the idea?
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I am glad that animals are pre stunned with halal meat. As usual truth is the first casualty.
Or English in your case. What do they do hit them over the head with it? |
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halal meet a minor issue but indicative of the eventual diaspora's hegemony
demographics will decide the issue |
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Truth hurting Crippen?
Not just an idiot but an oaf !As stated previously, don't worry about all the Foreigners coming over here and taking your job. There will always be a job for the likes of you in every village in this country. I suggest you might want to lock up your wife though. I daresay she might me interested in a Foreign intervention if she lives with a bore like you !Good day! |
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From May this year.
The Daily Mail has cited new figures from the Foods Standards Agency which show the number of sheep slaughtered in Britain without being stunned had doubled in six years, to more than three million. Raising the mater in the House of Lords, Lord Trees called for a change in the law to ensure all animals had to be stunned before they were killed, asking “Does the minister agree with me that in that aspect of animal welfare we are going backwards?” http://www.theweek.co.uk/58447/halal-meat-what-does-it-involve-and-is-it-cruel-to-animals |
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Isn't it time this vile practice was outlawed?
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ah, now dr crippen is getting us closer to the truth of this problem
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the usual suspects on here talking nonsense, suspected as much
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96% of the dog being wagged by a 4% tail, we should no longer be surprised by these things.
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http://vnonline.co.uk/vn/news/16927/Curb-rise-in-non-stun-slaughter,-says-Lord-Trees.
Here some source data on the story. Lord Trees is a good man!, he's a bloo dy vet after all. The article says - "Over three million sheep are slaughtered without pre-stunning each year, which represents a rise of around 50 per cent between 2011 and 2017. The number of non-stunned cattle declined over the same period". Taking just sheep, this would mean that the 80% figure regularly quoted by various sources for stunned vs unstunned would be about right. Quoting the number of unstunned sheep is meaningless without know the total sheep population slaughtered. Also articles don't make it clear whether this relates to uk slaughter or includes Lamb slaughtered abroad. We know that the bulk of NZ Lamb is halal. lfc is struggling to contain his excitement, with the release of these further stats that he probably fails to understand. |
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why does it matter to the 3 million sheep slaughtered every year without pre stunning how many others are stunned?
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what is the percentage of the muslim population in Britain?
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Well of course it doesnt, but I am not sure anyone on here is trying to defend slaughter without pre-stunning. I'm not!!!!
An extract from what appears to be the source report........ "Alexander Trees, the only veterinary surgeon in the House of Lords, is urging the government and religious leaders to take steps to curb the rise in animal slaughter without pre-stunning. The comments come in the wake of recent figures from the Food Standards Agency (FSA), which suggest the number of sheep and poultry not stunned has been rising in the UK. Over three million sheep are slaughtered without pre-stunning each year, which represents a rise of around 50 per cent between 2011 and 2017. The number of non-stunned cattle declined over the same period". The report mentions poultry (mind you no-one cares about fowls anymore!!) but no poultry is pre-stunned in the proper sense - The halal method is the same as your grandad (and possibly your dad if you are as old as me) used to dispatch a chicken - the current method is for the head/neck end of the fowl to be electrocuted in a waterbath. Neither are kind!! |
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so now we know after all there is a rise in animals being slaughtered without pre stunning
as I suspected what percentage of the british population is muslim? |