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Shocking statistics reveal that more than 20,000 'additional deaths' have occurred in England and Wales in the first 16 weeks of this year. Academics remain baffled by the spike in fatalities, which prompted several to demand a Government investigation into the matter.
However, some statisticians believe the crisis engulfing the NHS and cuts in care, along with the killer winter flu outbreak, are factors that should be taken into consideration.
The figures, from the Office for National Statistics, showed there were 20,215 more deaths in the first 16 weeks of 2018 compared to the previous five years - namely, 198,943 compared to an average of 178,778. The numbers show a 11.3 per cent increase in mortality. The 20,215 figure is equivalent to an extra person dropping dead every eight minutes throughout the first 16 weeks of the year, The Telegraph reported.
Statisticians claimed in February that the killer winter flu outbreak was to blame for a 42 per cent spike in deaths across England and Wales. Government figures revealed 64,157 people died in January - significantly higher than the death toll of 45,141 recorded in December.
This was the highest number since records began in 2006 - and only the second time it had breached 60,000. 'Circulating influenza' was blamed in a report compiled using data of deaths from each region.
It showed deaths were higher than levels recorded during the Swine flu pandemic in 2010 - considered the worst outbreak in recent years. The ONS report showed a similar trend in deaths was seen in all nine regions of England and Wales itself. It read: 'Circulating influenza is likely to be a contributing factor in the high number of deaths registered in January 2018.'
Some 10,011 deaths were recorded in the South East, followed by 8,625 in the North West and 7,110 in the East of England. At the other end of the scale, 3,503 people died in the North East in January, 3,945 in Wales and 5,401 in the East Midlands.
Figures in February showed the flu outbreak killed at least 271 people, but this is likely to have been an underestimate because it only counted for confirmed hospital deaths. In March, top academics published an editorial for the British Medial Journal voicing concerns about the spike in deaths. One of its authors Professor Danny Dorling, of the University of Oxford, told The Daily Telegraph: 'We would like is an urgent investigation by the House of Commons health select committee. 'The Department of Health and Social Care is not taking the slowdown in improvements in mortality seriously.'
A Department for Health and Social Care spokesperson told the paper: 'We keep all research in this area under review, but the "age standardised mortality rate" - which had been broadly stable in recent years - is considered a much more reliable measure, as this type of research doesn't take into account fluctuations in population numbers and the ageing population.
However, some statisticians believe the crisis engulfing the NHS and cuts in care, along with the killer winter flu outbreak, are factors that should be taken into consideration.
The figures, from the Office for National Statistics, showed there were 20,215 more deaths in the first 16 weeks of 2018 compared to the previous five years - namely, 198,943 compared to an average of 178,778. The numbers show a 11.3 per cent increase in mortality. The 20,215 figure is equivalent to an extra person dropping dead every eight minutes throughout the first 16 weeks of the year, The Telegraph reported.
Statisticians claimed in February that the killer winter flu outbreak was to blame for a 42 per cent spike in deaths across England and Wales. Government figures revealed 64,157 people died in January - significantly higher than the death toll of 45,141 recorded in December.
This was the highest number since records began in 2006 - and only the second time it had breached 60,000. 'Circulating influenza' was blamed in a report compiled using data of deaths from each region.
It showed deaths were higher than levels recorded during the Swine flu pandemic in 2010 - considered the worst outbreak in recent years. The ONS report showed a similar trend in deaths was seen in all nine regions of England and Wales itself. It read: 'Circulating influenza is likely to be a contributing factor in the high number of deaths registered in January 2018.'
Some 10,011 deaths were recorded in the South East, followed by 8,625 in the North West and 7,110 in the East of England. At the other end of the scale, 3,503 people died in the North East in January, 3,945 in Wales and 5,401 in the East Midlands.
Figures in February showed the flu outbreak killed at least 271 people, but this is likely to have been an underestimate because it only counted for confirmed hospital deaths. In March, top academics published an editorial for the British Medial Journal voicing concerns about the spike in deaths. One of its authors Professor Danny Dorling, of the University of Oxford, told The Daily Telegraph: 'We would like is an urgent investigation by the House of Commons health select committee. 'The Department of Health and Social Care is not taking the slowdown in improvements in mortality seriously.'
A Department for Health and Social Care spokesperson told the paper: 'We keep all research in this area under review, but the "age standardised mortality rate" - which had been broadly stable in recent years - is considered a much more reliable measure, as this type of research doesn't take into account fluctuations in population numbers and the ageing population.
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Stress. Brought on by financial worry, harder working conditions than for many years and other individually experienced reasons.
It's a big killer.
Add the ruination of the Health Service and the distance and time many sick and emergency cases are from any treatment and you get figures like this, which will almost certainly get worse.
It's a big killer.
Add the ruination of the Health Service and the distance and time many sick and emergency cases are from any treatment and you get figures like this, which will almost certainly get worse.
Stress. Brought on by financial worry, harder working conditions than for many years and other individually experienced reasons.
Life is far too rushed now. The concept of "Boxset Binging" is symptomatic of this. People can't slow down and wait; they have to have and do everything now now now. This must create unnecessary stress as people think they're not doing/getting enough at once.
Life is far too rushed now. The concept of "Boxset Binging" is symptomatic of this. People can't slow down and wait; they have to have and do everything now now now. This must create unnecessary stress as people think they're not doing/getting enough at once.
Nearly everything we do is done in order to make money, usually for some huge company, or for some form of tax. We're all under more pressure than ever before.
It's old age.
Although there's no need to age prematurely like so many of us choose, and then have to suffer for the last couple of decades of our lives if we do manage to keep going.
Unfortunately the health advice we get from mainstream sources is less than ideal.
The link between cancer, heart disease, and eating meat has long been established.
Also the link between drinking and the aforementioned killers has also been firmly established, yet people choose to ignore them.
The link between over indulgence and diabetes is clear as well. Yet who's listening?
These statement aren't the findings of fringe studies, these facts come from the NHS itself.
You have to look after yourself because no one else will, and the first step is to question our diets.
We couldn't have been designed to eat animal products and drink alcohol safely, or they wouldn't be killing us.
Although there's no need to age prematurely like so many of us choose, and then have to suffer for the last couple of decades of our lives if we do manage to keep going.
Unfortunately the health advice we get from mainstream sources is less than ideal.
The link between cancer, heart disease, and eating meat has long been established.
Also the link between drinking and the aforementioned killers has also been firmly established, yet people choose to ignore them.
The link between over indulgence and diabetes is clear as well. Yet who's listening?
These statement aren't the findings of fringe studies, these facts come from the NHS itself.
You have to look after yourself because no one else will, and the first step is to question our diets.
We couldn't have been designed to eat animal products and drink alcohol safely, or they wouldn't be killing us.
might well be old age crippen
the original post might confirm that if it showed ages of those that died
and in previous 5 years.
the original post might confirm that if it showed ages of those that died
and in previous 5 years.
If you want to know why, visit any NHS ward in any hospital in London. In the "old" days more people were saved when there was time to care for them and doctors actually treated patients as humans and not numbers. I know of one person who the doctor tried to convince to have do not resuscitate on her records while she was in hospital. The lady would not hear of it because she was not in actual danger, so the doc flounced of in a temper! Too much demand for too little resources. Glad I am my age and have private insurance! Another example I know of- waiting time on the NHS for a prostate op -6 months plus. Waiting time from first consultation to leaving hospital after prostate op under private care- 3 weeks!
How can anyone get better in a over crowded NHS ward when one is surrounded by coughing spluttering people, some with dementia calling out all night, with over worked nurses who have had the care knocked out of them by the system!
How can anyone get better in a over crowded NHS ward when one is surrounded by coughing spluttering people, some with dementia calling out all night, with over worked nurses who have had the care knocked out of them by the system!
Been watching that Hospital series that was on a few weeks ago. Sky plussed it and watched the one about the paediatric ward last night.
Firstly, it just confirms that these doctors and nurses are just frankly heroes day in day out. Not sure what the comment about doctors now treating patients as numbers not humans. Nothing could be further from the truth.
But I saw the clip for the next episode which is about the geriatric ward and seems to ram home the point of the lack of joined up thinking between the NHS and social services. Seemed to be many cases of bed blocking, where elderly people have been successfully treated for their ailment but can't be sent home because there's no one to care for them.
Just a ridiculous state of affairs we've gotten ourselves into. And I can't help think it's been a deliberate ploy to simply run down the NHS so people start seeing private care as a realistic alternative. Sure the NHS will still offer you a hip op, but you'll have to wait nine months in constant agony. But if you can cough up ... then we'll get you sorted in a few days!
Firstly, it just confirms that these doctors and nurses are just frankly heroes day in day out. Not sure what the comment about doctors now treating patients as numbers not humans. Nothing could be further from the truth.
But I saw the clip for the next episode which is about the geriatric ward and seems to ram home the point of the lack of joined up thinking between the NHS and social services. Seemed to be many cases of bed blocking, where elderly people have been successfully treated for their ailment but can't be sent home because there's no one to care for them.
Just a ridiculous state of affairs we've gotten ourselves into. And I can't help think it's been a deliberate ploy to simply run down the NHS so people start seeing private care as a realistic alternative. Sure the NHS will still offer you a hip op, but you'll have to wait nine months in constant agony. But if you can cough up ... then we'll get you sorted in a few days!
PP- my comment is based on first hand observation over 3 month periods during 2015, 2016/ 2017 in 3 different London hospitals. There is no doubt geographical variation.
Billions being lost every year to health tourism
NHS doctors and nurse and managers complicate in the scandal
NHS doctors and nurse and managers complicate in the scandal
Of course we might have a few more older people, we also have 1.4 million people working in the NHS
Now there is something badly wrong , just how many sick people are there in Britain ?
Now there is something badly wrong , just how many sick people are there in Britain ?
1.4 million seems a huge figure to me didn't know that lfc.
yes it’s almost unbelievable but it’s between 1.4 and 1.5 million
Also they might want to look a little closer at the qualifications and competence of some of the staff the NHS employs
From every corner of the world, it might have a bearing on the figures relating to treatment etc
Also they might want to look a little closer at the qualifications and competence of some of the staff the NHS employs
From every corner of the world, it might have a bearing on the figures relating to treatment etc
good point though they'll then probably claim they're being victimised
1.7 million, and not enough !
https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/resource/the-nhs-workforce-in-numbers
https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/resource/the-nhs-workforce-in-numbers
I'm alright my tin foil hat comes with drop down gas mask
Elderly neighbour went into hospital just a while ago, she would be part of these statistics
Saw her out and about doing her shopping on the Monday and she was in hospital on Tuesday
when told the operation couldnt be performed, staff problems, she suggested that she would go home
Was told no to stay in hospital
operation was done the next day
Everything seemed ok, she was dead on Thursday
ps no need for the operation , keyhole surgery
It was a foreign doctor
Saw her out and about doing her shopping on the Monday and she was in hospital on Tuesday
when told the operation couldnt be performed, staff problems, she suggested that she would go home
Was told no to stay in hospital
operation was done the next day
Everything seemed ok, she was dead on Thursday
ps no need for the operation , keyhole surgery
It was a foreign doctor
I'd buy a decent tin foil hat if anyone wants to produce and market one might be a necessity in the not too distant future
The wrong type of people are going into medicine in any event
Last time I was visiting someone the main consultant come onto the ward and a number of trainee student doctors learning the trade
Once upon a time they would have been all men but it was remarkable how many were women
The female brain is not suited to
Last time I was visiting someone the main consultant come onto the ward and a number of trainee student doctors learning the trade
Once upon a time they would have been all men but it was remarkable how many were women
The female brain is not suited to
So it will take time of course but we are seeing the perfect storm
too many people, too many foreign health tourists meaning funding increasingly difficult
employing of staff from other countries and no way of knowing if they are qualified
and our own medical people increasingly incompetent anyway because they are the wrong type of people
And then of course the statistics are only going to become worse
too many people, too many foreign health tourists meaning funding increasingly difficult
employing of staff from other countries and no way of knowing if they are qualified
and our own medical people increasingly incompetent anyway because they are the wrong type of people
And then of course the statistics are only going to become worse
No way of accusing any of them for fear of being labelled a bigot etc. we'll be dead a good while before anything changes lfc.
In Britains hospitals more people perish than want to
Who could deny that?
Who could deny that?
Completely agree with lfc1971. I'm also very dubious of imported doctors and nursing staff.
There is something wrong if, ok an elderly neighbour , is out and about on Monday
and dead on thursday
and dead on thursday
The flu vaccines are working then, destroying the immune systems of the elderly.
My mum had the Feb flu & she's only now getting out and about again. Very nasty, can quite imagine many would not have survived it
A doctor said that going WITHOUT a flu injection is like crossing the road with your eyes closed.
There are some more posts of mine on politics you can get removed if you like.
as ever just because you spend hours getting posts removed and wtite about it on forum why should others ?
As a platinum member I have a red button which I press continually. Hope this helps.
Dreadful case up before the medical council at the minute
consultant dr Vaishnavy Laxman being questioned and fellow doctor Shamila Siddiki giving evidence
consultant dr Vaishnavy Laxman being questioned and fellow doctor Shamila Siddiki giving evidence
They were working in Ninewells Hospital in Scotland
Now do you know that the Scots have historically been know to have a natural ability , more so than perhaps any other nation ,
in the field of medicine
It may seem a silly thing to say but the doctor in Star Trek was Scottish for this simple reason
Now do you know that the Scots have historically been know to have a natural ability , more so than perhaps any other nation ,
in the field of medicine
It may seem a silly thing to say but the doctor in Star Trek was Scottish for this simple reason
dr mccoy will be born in atlanta in 2227
do you mean the chief engineer ?
do you mean the chief engineer ?
It is simple arithmetic. Population has increased dramatically, particularly in England, so more people will die.
It is simple arithmetic. Population has increased dramatically, particularly in England, so more people will die.
sorry the doctor was McCoy Scottish
The engineer was Scotty ...because the Scots were know to be good at engineering as well
Medicine and engineering
The engineer was Scotty ...because the Scots were know to be good at engineering as well
Medicine and engineering
mightymac, the arithmetic IS simple.
142,000 Hospital beds now.... down from 362,000 in 1979. So about 60% fewer.
Many many hospitals closed. Ambulances cut and centralised.
People too far from medical assistance in fewer now overcrowded hospitals.
Population up about 15% which doesn't help but isn't the cause.
lfc, sorry to try correcting you, what with all your superior knowledge and all, but Dr McCoy was not (will not be) Scottish.
142,000 Hospital beds now.... down from 362,000 in 1979. So about 60% fewer.
Many many hospitals closed. Ambulances cut and centralised.
People too far from medical assistance in fewer now overcrowded hospitals.
Population up about 15% which doesn't help but isn't the cause.
lfc, sorry to try correcting you, what with all your superior knowledge and all, but Dr McCoy was not (will not be) Scottish.
Fair enough getting my doctors and engineers mixed up :)
However the central point is true about the Scots and their natural gifts for medicine and engineering
However the central point is true about the Scots and their natural gifts for medicine and engineering
unless scotland invade and capture atlanta , which is unlikely but will
happen in some parallel universe now it has been mentioned....
happen in some parallel universe now it has been mentioned....
Do you know it is not mere chance that the first man on the moon was Scottish also
They have that sort of brain
They have that sort of brain
You are correct lfc, regards Scots. Everything worth inventing was invented by Scots. Alexander Fleming discovered penicillin. Others invented Telephone, TV, Vulcanised rubber, Steam engine which revolutionised the world, the list is endless.
You are correct of course Studyform regards NHS cutbacks causing more deaths. No one could argue that, but more people means more deaths caused by said cutbacks
Some less known Scottish achievements
David Stirling founded SAS
Alexander Cummings invented Flushing Toilet
William Cullen the refrigerator
Watson-Watt - Radar
Napier - Logarithms
Alan McMaster - electric toaster
James Braid - Hypnotherapy
Sir Alexander Grant - Digestive biscuit, lol.
David Stirling founded SAS
Alexander Cummings invented Flushing Toilet
William Cullen the refrigerator
Watson-Watt - Radar
Napier - Logarithms
Alan McMaster - electric toaster
James Braid - Hypnotherapy
Sir Alexander Grant - Digestive biscuit, lol.
Sir Alexander Grant - Digestive biscuit, lol.
He'd be spinning in his grave if he ate one now they've ruined them imo.
He'd be spinning in his grave if he ate one now they've ruined them imo.
The irony is, billions of pounds are spent every year in the search for the cure for cancer, but if it was ever found it, it could start the beginning of the end for the human race, the world population would spiral out of control expeditiously, more so than it already is. We invent things that are ultimately self destructive, and we do so without any forethought, and yet we continually celebrate our genius. 
I used to love Digestives with a coffee.
Tunnocks make my favourites though Caramel Log, Caramel wafer and Tea Cake. Luvvly jubbly
Tunnocks make my favourites though Caramel Log, Caramel wafer and Tea Cake. Luvvly jubbly
If a scientist came up with a cure for cancer, he would be bumped off, as it would cost the pharmaceutical companies billions every year.
Coffee for me too tmm I just fancied one a few weeks ago and they aren't what they were.
Tunnocks Caramel are wafers me old mans' favourites admittedly they're nice but get stuck in ya teeth.
Tunnocks Caramel are wafers me old mans' favourites admittedly they're nice but get stuck in ya teeth.
I wonder how those fiqures compere to the U.S ,Australia and New Zealand?
The problem this country now has, is too many people for the public services to handle.
Cheap labour doesn't pay its way with regard to the demands it makes on public services.
The more people we import - the more it costs.
The complete opposite of what we were told about immigration, which boosts the economy in the short term, then costs us dear in the long term as we can now see.
Cheap labour doesn't pay its way with regard to the demands it makes on public services.
The more people we import - the more it costs.
The complete opposite of what we were told about immigration, which boosts the economy in the short term, then costs us dear in the long term as we can now see.
The NHS is being brought down by people getting free treatment, who can't possibly have paid for it and never will.
It's really not. Importing a lot of fit, well people does not lead to a burden on health services.
Now, maybe in 30 - 40 years you could make that argument but right now it has no legs whatsoever.
Now, maybe in 30 - 40 years you could make that argument but right now it has no legs whatsoever.
Where a friend of mine works,the forigh ladies and gentlemen don't to the doctors if even the slightest thing is wrong with them,nope they go one and all to the A&E,SO TIMES THAT BY HOW MANY MILLION
If you don't believe your eyes, there's no point in me arguing.
You'll believe what you choose to believe regardless of the facts.
You'll believe what you choose to believe regardless of the facts.
Not sure what believing my eyes means to be honest.
There is not "a" cure for cancer, there are many different cancers and reasons for them and many already have been cured or are treatable.
Basically so many other diseases are cured/treated now and people living longer, and the longer you live the more chance there is that you'll get cancer as there is an accumulation of mutations etc.
The biggest problem if cancer was somehow cured tommorow wouldn't be pharma companies, it would be disasterous if people were living many more decades with a miserable quality of life needing their arses wiped and spoon fed until something else got them, society would become top heavy and pension funds would be folding right left and centre.
Basically so many other diseases are cured/treated now and people living longer, and the longer you live the more chance there is that you'll get cancer as there is an accumulation of mutations etc.
The biggest problem if cancer was somehow cured tommorow wouldn't be pharma companies, it would be disasterous if people were living many more decades with a miserable quality of life needing their arses wiped and spoon fed until something else got them, society would become top heavy and pension funds would be folding right left and centre.
it would be disasterous if people were living many more decades with a miserable quality of life needing their arses wiped and spoon fed until something else got them, society would become top heavy and pension funds would be folding right left and centre.
That's how it is now isn't it?
That's how it is now isn't it?
God I hope euthenasia's legal when I need it.
Soon to be available in Guernsey for its own inhabitants. Dementia is the big nemesis already here! The Land of the Living Dead!
me too PoP. I'm into my 70s with another milestone approaching and dread the time arriving when I become dependent on others for the most basic of things. Better to die before then, but not before teatime.
The way to do it is to have a loved one go on holiday to Switzerland independently at the same time one goes to the Dignitas or other clinic at the end. The intent to assist with Euthanasia must be proved beyond reasonable doubt. If the loved one stays on for a couple of days holiday, it is a great coincidence, nothing more and of course there is reasonable doubt!
By the way- all those in favour of euthanasia, make sure you have an Advance Directive (the new name for a Living Will)!
Euthanasia for the rich who can afford to go to Switzerland.
Suffer right up to the very the end for the poor.
Politicians frightened to bite the bullet and allow euthanasia for the masses, so it remains exclusive for the rich.
What a shower of MPs we've got as rulers.
Suffer right up to the very the end for the poor.
Politicians frightened to bite the bullet and allow euthanasia for the masses, so it remains exclusive for the rich.
What a shower of MPs we've got as rulers.
Don't think any of us want to end up in a 'death' home they're everywhwere I pass at least 1 wherever and whenever I go more than 1/2 mile from my house.
There's a few with very nice views to me that doesn't quite offset the impending misery and suffering.
There's a few with very nice views to me that doesn't quite offset the impending misery and suffering.
After the last Commons vote on Euthanasia, the MPs said there would not be another vote. So its up to us believers to take care of it ourselves, should the need arise! In an NHS hospital, one might get lucky and have a doctor who uses morphine more freely than others!
There's plenty of druggies on the streets dealing and using synthetic drugs like Fentanyl (many times stronger than Morphine) could be prosperous times for such low lives.
Fentanyl is a wonderful drug when used for wot it is sposed to be used for!
Shocking isn't it, MPs on their salaries and pensions can afford to toddle off to Switzerland and be put to sleep as they slip into their dotage.
While the people who paid their salaries and pensions can't afford that, they have to carry on in agony until they peg out through ill health.
Class distinction at its worst.
While the people who paid their salaries and pensions can't afford that, they have to carry on in agony until they peg out through ill health.
Class distinction at its worst.
Do people really die in agony now? don’t we have morphine and it is as good as it gets , ok it’s a grey area but pain is modified
often it is left to the patient to set the limit, to ask if the pain intensifies and the level of morphine is adjusted
Some people do die in agony despite morphine unfortunately.
Once they take the drip out you become dehydrated and suffer malnutrition. Morphine ensures you don't linger too long. However in the recent discussion in the press, there have been cases of family members stating morphine was either not given at all or given in insufficient quantities after the drip was removed so there are cases of people dying in agony. Outrageous in this day and age. Nurses and doctors being too busy is not an excuse to behave inhumanely!
Nurses and doctors being too busy is not an excuse to behave inhumanely!
Now we return to the points raised earlier by lfc, with regard to the quality of some NHS staff.
Now we return to the points raised earlier by lfc, with regard to the quality of some NHS staff.
Like you, I can tell a few stories. But it is SOME staff. In 2016 I saw some very dedicated care by some NHS nurses who went out of their way for their patients. The best one was Portuguese. At the same time I saw a doctor who only cared about teaching the junior doctors and students who worshipped him. He couldn't give a t0ss about the patients, delaying giving drugs and sitting by his computer while his patients needed him! Unfortunately the majority are not good enough. Either they never cared or they had their care knocked out of them by the system. On that note, have a good evening and good luck. ps- may I remind you that next time you win loadsamoney, take out private insurance if you don't already have it!
Part of the reason the NHS is in the state it is in, is due to timewasters.
Doctors surgeries and A & E are full of them.
Doctors surgeries and A & E are full of them.
Another - and very real reason it's in trouble is computers.
Nurses, Doctors and all other staff always have their heads buried in a screen instead of looking at patients.
Incidentally, Nurses are not trained the way they used to be and the duty of care is no longer paramount.
BILLIONS of £s wasted on computerising everything over the years and it has slowed everything down and increased the workload.
It isn't possible to find out how many A&E departments actually exist in the UK. I've tried to find out.
Based on all other figures I'd reckon there are about 75 or 80% fewer than 40 years ago, even though those that do exist are big.
Most walk in centres are now closed down.
There are planned closures to 24 (apparently 15%) of the A&E departments which are left.
No wonder they're overcrowded.
Nurses, Doctors and all other staff always have their heads buried in a screen instead of looking at patients.
Incidentally, Nurses are not trained the way they used to be and the duty of care is no longer paramount.
BILLIONS of £s wasted on computerising everything over the years and it has slowed everything down and increased the workload.
It isn't possible to find out how many A&E departments actually exist in the UK. I've tried to find out.
Based on all other figures I'd reckon there are about 75 or 80% fewer than 40 years ago, even though those that do exist are big.
Most walk in centres are now closed down.
There are planned closures to 24 (apparently 15%) of the A&E departments which are left.
No wonder they're overcrowded.
sf - any data to back that up. Slower now than before. Duty of care no longer paramount. The impossibility of finding out how many A&Es there are.
The problem with todays NHS is that it is creating jobs within jobs within jobs that do not actually do the job of caring for and treating patients
Someone close to me was a (very highly qualified) nurse. We have witnessed the changes first hand at a number of hospital in different parts of the country.
Some disturbing working practices, a disregard for patients, because of an apparent need to stay on top of data input and waiting for screens to load and update.
I wish P or P, there was data, it wouldn't be hard to find then!
I even saw online a question asked (how many A&E departments are there in England and Wales) through the freedom of information act. The, eventual, answer was a list of all the Trusts in the UK and a letter telling the enquirer the answer was in the Public domain.
I'm sure most people can remember more hospitals than there are now, certainly I can name far more that are closed down than are open. I can also remember each of them having an A&E department. When some of these started to close local "Walk-in centres" were opened. Most of these are now closed.
The data is, imo, deliberately hard to find.
As for slower than before, centralised appointments is a very time consuming way of dealing with arranging them. Particularly for people who leave a clinic and need to go to one of loads of reception desks in an average huge hospital to get their next appointment. It used to be like the dentist. Look through a book for a space!
Ambulances are slower because they too are centralised and there are fewer of them, on top of which they get to spend hours outside hospitals because they can't unload, because of the lack of beds to unload into.
More work is caused too through the fast turnaround of patients, as an example; about 18 months ago I had an operation, a 2 1/2 hour one, so not quick, for something which until a few years ago would have meant a week in hospital.
I had to go in at 7.30 - so left home at about 7am, got prepped, sorted, operated on, bandaged, woken and was home again by 5.30pm.
Needless to say, a few days some infections and pain got into the incision sites and I had to go to the GP and get antibiotics, which I wasn't really fit to do.
The hospital abnegated itself of my care within hours.
I've spoken to loads of people who had bad after effects of operations and similar stories to mine. Because the duty of care is no pretty much gone.
NHS is Feckered.
Some disturbing working practices, a disregard for patients, because of an apparent need to stay on top of data input and waiting for screens to load and update.
I wish P or P, there was data, it wouldn't be hard to find then!
I even saw online a question asked (how many A&E departments are there in England and Wales) through the freedom of information act. The, eventual, answer was a list of all the Trusts in the UK and a letter telling the enquirer the answer was in the Public domain.
I'm sure most people can remember more hospitals than there are now, certainly I can name far more that are closed down than are open. I can also remember each of them having an A&E department. When some of these started to close local "Walk-in centres" were opened. Most of these are now closed.
The data is, imo, deliberately hard to find.
As for slower than before, centralised appointments is a very time consuming way of dealing with arranging them. Particularly for people who leave a clinic and need to go to one of loads of reception desks in an average huge hospital to get their next appointment. It used to be like the dentist. Look through a book for a space!
Ambulances are slower because they too are centralised and there are fewer of them, on top of which they get to spend hours outside hospitals because they can't unload, because of the lack of beds to unload into.
More work is caused too through the fast turnaround of patients, as an example; about 18 months ago I had an operation, a 2 1/2 hour one, so not quick, for something which until a few years ago would have meant a week in hospital.
I had to go in at 7.30 - so left home at about 7am, got prepped, sorted, operated on, bandaged, woken and was home again by 5.30pm.
Needless to say, a few days some infections and pain got into the incision sites and I had to go to the GP and get antibiotics, which I wasn't really fit to do.
The hospital abnegated itself of my care within hours.
I've spoken to loads of people who had bad after effects of operations and similar stories to mine. Because the duty of care is no pretty much gone.
NHS is Feckered.
that what the Government wants Study, they want it private
Yes Terry and it's been happening on a continuing basis for a few years now. Hospital land sold off all over the place, Virgin healthcare, among others, looking after lots of it.
There is a (wholly non-political, unbiased) site called 'FullFact' which I can thoroughly recommend on most matters, for a fair analysis of most things. This is year old but makes quite interesting reading:
https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-video-factchecked/
There is a (wholly non-political, unbiased) site called 'FullFact' which I can thoroughly recommend on most matters, for a fair analysis of most things. This is year old but makes quite interesting reading:
https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-video-factchecked/
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