The Windrush generation

complete nonsense, no one is ever refused NHS treatment, even if they should come from every corner of the world, and then fly home again

students should not be included , they are a completely different thing from immigration

non eu migration in itself ,which we can control, runs into 100s of thousands

when the eu folk go home we will need a system in place to replace them in a controlled
manner

.....no plan that i can see ?

there are reducing non EU migration or at least were when May was home sec
not sure of figures now

of course windrush generation were being refused nhs treatment

thats one of the biggest scandals of the whole shambles

no they weren't

Prove to us that someone has ever been refused nhs treatment ?

I find it hard to believe.

I will explain again, the NHS refuses no one in this country who is British, or indeed any other nationality treatment
billions of pounds are lost and never paid in this way

Students should be counted in and out.

Currently they are not.

Many stay on illegally.

Many pair off with natives. There is nothing wrong with this provided they do it properly. It is not easy as there are many forms to fill in and the spouse has to prove they can support the person from overseas.

The big issue is those who overstay their visas and then moan they have a partner and kids here so we must allow them to stay even though they have not applied. That is disrespectful of those who do it properly.

when students do that they are not students, they are illegal immigrants
don't confuse one with the other

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I will explain again, the NHS refuses no one in this country who is British, or indeed any other nationality treatment
billions of pounds are lost and never paid in this way

^

Not true. If you turn up and A&E and need treatment or emergency operation etc they would do it. But you could not just get a GP appointment and get into the system.

albert thompson was told he would have to pay £54 k for cancer treatment he required

you would not need one if you turn up at a hospital, and everyone in Britain has a GP, if they wish

no GP is going to refuse to see you if you are ill, even if you are in prison
don't worry about that

quite shameful

he only now has a date to start treatment after government was shamed

its simply shameful , and odd that ill informed people are prepared to make fools of themselves

It comes after he was told last year he would have to pay £54,000 unless he could produce the right documentation.

So he was never refused ?

he was waiting for a date to start treatment, he would always have got that treatment assuming he was legal

planet sonko

Mr Thompson is not technically of the Windrush generation as he arrived in the UK from Jamaica in 1973 as a teenager.

no he wouldnt lfc

it has taken intervention in parliament and his treatment highlighted exactly
what was going on

a shameful treatment, and frankly a shameful attitude on here too

he was always going to get the treatment , in theory he might have been legally obliged to pay
#guess what he would never have had tp pay
no one does, thousands of cases every year were people who don't have the right to NHS` treatment don't pay

he wasn't told he wouldn't be treated Donny

according to snowflake libtard generation if i wanted to fly abroad and didnt not have correct documents then i could label the authorities as racist, cruel and mean.

if he was in Britain then he would have been treated
that is how it works, nothing stops that

He wasnt ever denied treatment either. But according to donny this guy is now brown bread.

no one and no power would have stopped albert Thompson from getting cancer treatment

sonko has lost the plot again

your stalking is sad

In theory he might have had to pay , even at some time? no that does not happen either

they did stop him getting treatment by slapping a £54,000 charge if he wanted to go ahead

and parliamentary pressure has ensured he will recieve treatment

some sad folk about

So it turns out this chap wasnt even part of the  windrush generation, he simply didnt have any documents. But alas the left and donny try and use this as an argument, totally disingenuous but that is what the left do.

he was on the waiting list for treatment, his doctor was aware of his condition and he would have been treated as soon as possible
not a single day would have been lost because of his status
not a single day, or a single hour

if he was on medication this would have continued, would not have stopped regardless of his status

So I will ask again, do you have any examples of the windrush generation being refused treatment by the NHS ?

unless you are telling us donny that this mans GP refused him medication and refused to put him forward for cancer treatment on the NHS
I don't believe that

carry on trolling sonko

The Home Office has been playing catch up for years in all aspects of immigration including pretendy asylum seekers who seek to do us harm.

The Parson Green tube bomber a case in point.

Multi cultural policy alligned with political correctness has led to Telford, Rotherham, knife crime,gangs,ghettos Rochdale, Oxford, home grown terrorists  etc etc.

The Home Office has been front and centre of this debacle for a generation.

Rudd's the latest in a long line of Home Secretaries who's not up to the job. Windrush will be her undoing but it could and should have been any of the above.

well did he get the treatment lfc

no

was he told he would have to fund the treatment

yes

has that been changed after parliamentary intervention

yes

trolling, stalking, this is so predictable when you cant answer a simple question.

I,m afraid we can hardly blame Rudd for all that
might as well get rid of everyone in parliament

donny he is waiting for treatment, the NHS is under a lot of pressure
why do you think that is?
don't tell me

some folk seem very upset about windrush generation finally getting the help
they so richly deserve

such vitriol and hatred

we have nothing against the windrush generation, many very fine and good people for goodness sake try and be fair

They all deserve treatment, this chap wasnt part of the windrush generation. He just didnt have the correct papers. All of us have to prove our status with papers as such, yes it is flawed but you have to have some sort regulations or the whole planet would misuse our wonderful NHS.

Nothing to do vitriol or hatred, just a simple discussion.

yeah, re read your previous posts sonko

pleased to have got you out of troll mode

Blair made changes in 1997 that opened the floodgates. Before that percentage of foreign born population in UK 1970s to 1990s was 5-6%.

Now it is 14% and rising.

The question I have is why can no one sort this out? Is the will not there? have the votes reached tipping point?

the treatment remains shameful and all the tagging on of folks immigration
worries, fears, obsessions does them no good.

quite easy to treat folk that deserve our help with common decency without excuses
without caveats and without gritted teeth

I still cant understand who you have used a person who wasnt part of the windrush generation as part of the windrush generation argument.

It is like watching tv.

i still cant understand why you troll me but hey ho

so trolling is asking you a question you dont want to answer.

cheerio

trolling is in your posts on this thread for all to see

you can ask questions but some of your comments are simple trolling

not the first time is it ?

their descendants are having lots of fun in landan though

Even studyform has not defended you, how does that feel, donny ?

stalky stalky !

I’m very surprised there isn’t a large thread on this forum discussing the scandalous treatment of these great people.


please tell me you didn't say that with a straight face? 

Watch how the usual suspects try to stop the removal of illegal immigrants next

why you you raise it on a thread about the shameful treatment of legal immigrants

?

She's gone

i'm not sure resigning on a Sunday evening is proper. hire her back & get her to quit again tomorrow

so rudd wrote to may about targets

but then denied there were targets, then that she did not know there were targets, then that she had
not read her brief about targets

question is...


did theresa may forget she had a letter from amber rudd about targets?

and why didnt she remind rudd about the letter before it was leaked ?

May was the real architect of this nonsense. she was brutal home sec & that village vicar's daughter facade is wearing
thin. she is a hawk, and kinda looks like one

good luck to mr javid sorting out the mess

Facing MPs' questions for the first time as home secretary, just a few hours
after getting the job, Mr Javid said the difficulties faced by "longstanding pillars
of the community" should never have happened, adding: "I thought that it could
be my mum, my brother, my uncle or even me."

He told MPs: "I want to start by making a pledge, a pledge to those from the
Windrush generation who have been in this country for decades and yet have
struggled to navigate through the immigration system. This never should have
been the case and I will do whatever it takes to put it right."

And he said he would not be using the phrase "hostile environment" to describe
immigration laws introduced by Theresa May when she was home secretary.

He told MPs: "I think the terminology is incorrect, I think it's a phrase that
is unhelpful and does not represent the values as a country."

He told MPs Windrush cases were being investigated "as a matter of urgency",
with more than 100 processed so far and 500 appointments scheduled.

All criminals should expect hostility if caught. What is the point of law without teeth.

and non criminals , should they expect hostility too?

yes, it should apply to everyone living in Britain , that's the only fair way

nobody could be hostile to you lfc

who could disagree with that

i dont know

thankyou Donny my nature then inclines me to treat people well and to be helpful and so forth

That's why I think it is everyones duty to be helpful to Mrs`May and obey her commands
that's what I think is good and what I would try to do and I wouldn't be wrong either

not everyone does

no one has said thankyou to this great country as far as I can tell so far

that is one thing that I cannot understand

if everybody was kind to each other then mrs may would issue commands
that were based on kindness and it would indeed be kind to obey.

look at it this way, I am thankful to be living in Britain

and I am not even an immigrant

I listened carefully to channel 4 news last night and john snow interviewed 3 people from overseas
not one said thankyou, plenty of complaints, some of the complaints went back 200 years

what happened 200 years ago doesn't bother me, I insist on being unbothered by that

ps at least one seemed to be illegal , and some of the cases they discussed semmed to concern immigration also
but that didn't seem to concern john snow

I may be mistaken you would imagine if channel 4 asked 3 people to talk about their fellings on this matter they might have been able to select people who had a legal right lto be here

if they have been here for 200 years it would be hard to deport them

they might have stayed here having fought at trafalgar or waterloo, perhaps
even the battle of the nile

jons son dan would know

I don't believe a single word channel 4 say anyway, especially john snow

he was a decent pace bowler in his day, and sent a few aussies packing, his dad was a vicar

well I don't mind really let as many as you like into Britain
but it is complete madness
yes remember john snow and Derek underwood very good

I no longer consider myself to be British, so its all yours

I,ve resigned

deadly was , err,  deadly on them uncovered wickets

MPs have voted against an opposition motion calling on the government to disclose
papers on Windrush migrants.

Labour had hoped to force the government to release documents about its immigration
policy relating to people who came to the UK from Commonwealth countries.

They arrived between the late 1940s and 1970s but some have been threatened with
deportation in recent years.

The government won the vote by 316 votes to 221.


The prime minister has said an upcoming review will have full access to the required
documentation.

But shadow home secretary Diane Abbott told the Commons that Theresa May should
accept responsibility for the crisis and accused her of ordering her MPs to "vote to cover
up the truth of her involvement".

She said many people felt "all roads lead back to the prime minister", with Mrs May having
previously been home secretary at the time the government brought in changes to
immigration rules in 2014.

Home Secretary Sajid Javid said the review would have "independent oversight and challenge"
and aimed to understand how members of the Windrush generation "came to be entangled in
measures designed for illegal immigrants".






a three line whip from the tories to hide iheir shame !

Transparency baby.

Welcome to brexit post truth.

very sad moisok,

yes you are right whispering

it is terribly sad how little fuss there is about landan knifings and the avoidance of the telford et all scandals

more importantly the haste to do something about windies but little done about telford - in fact the police have tried to play it down

Exactly what is happing about knife crime in landan? 

but they can rush around in circles over the windies

great to see gretel home, finally allowed back having gone to a funeral

well done chanel 5

These lefties know how to lay it on thick.

Immigration policy under Labour would see only one question asked.
Q Do you have a right to enter and stay in the UK? If yes the answer then they'll be okay.
For those who don't speak English then a baffled expression will suffice.

imagine going to a funeral, not being allowed home, losing your house

finally getting home a decade or so later

some folk think its funny , staggering

The overreaction of some is amusing me tbf.

shame there isn't the same reaction and massive press coverage and, particularly, about the thousands of girls harmed, assaulted even killed in towns and cities around the country

same with the culture of crime, violence, knife crime and killings in landan

but then it is the wrong groups being mentioned

there have been a whole clutch of them this week but seems to go under the radar (drug gangs locally here in my area-( wrong lot) so doesn't get much more than local reporting etc et)

The Jamaican-born father of former world boxing champion Steve Robinson has spoken of his relief after being told he can stay in the UK.
Eighty-four-year-old Stanford Robinson feared he would have to leave the country after being caught up in the Windrush scandal.
The former taxi driver has now been given indefinite leave to remain by the Home Office.
Mr Robinson said: "It should have never come to this in the first place."
Mr Robinson came to the UK in 1955 and initially worked in London before settling in Cardiff.

But despite living and working in the country for 63 years, Mr Robinson - who now lives in the Llanishen area of the city - said he was shocked when he discovered he had to reapply for naturalisation.
He later discovered that because he failed to register his British citizenship following Jamaica's independence, Mr Robinson had been relinquished of his British nationality without his knowledge.
"I couldn't believe when the Home Office told me they had no record of me being here," he said.

There was lots of uncertainty about what would happen next. I also felt like that I was being made out to be a liar."

The father-of-six - including former featherweight world champion Steve, who fought Prince Naseem Hamed in 1995 - met with Home Office officials for more than two hours on Wednesday before being officially being told he had indefinite leave to remain.
Family friend Charles Willie, who has been helping Mr Robinson with his case, said the pensioner hopes to get a special ID card - a biometric residence permit - within the next week.
"The good news is that the question of his status has now been cleared up, but there are still issues over his citizenship and his passport which still need to be cleared up," said Mr Willie.

Mr Robinson's case first came to light this week when it was raised in the House of Commons by Cardiff North MP Anna McMorrin.
The Labour politician said: "Stanford had been living in this country since the 1950s, working and paying taxes his whole life here and making a valuable contribution.
"I am very pleased for Mr Robinson that the uncertainty surrounding his situation has been cleared up - albeit following major media coverage and the issue being raised in the House of Commons.
"However, it does not diminish the anguish and upset that has been caused to a man in his 80s. And what about the people who have been too afraid to speak up?"

Too afraid to speak up? They'll be kicking the doors down now there's compo on the table.

looks like early count puts it at 63 deported wrongly

63

may thought it might be zero .....

so government will compensate those wronged with our money....

around £200 million reckons mr javid

and probably more compo for this...


The Home Office has admitted breaching data protection rules when it launched the Windrush compensation scheme.
The department sent information to Windrush migrants in a way that meant their email addresses could be seen by other people.
An internal review has been launched and the matter has been referred to the Information Commissioner.
Immigration Minister Caroline Nokes apologised "unreservedly" for what she said was an "administrative error".
The data breach affected five batches of emails, each with 100 recipients, Ms Nokes added.

so government will compensate those wronged with our money....


So punish the people whose fault it is!

The Empire Windrush arrived at Tilbury Docks, Essex, on 22 June 1948

The Home Secretary Sajid Javid has apologised to another 49 victims of the Windrush scandal.

People who were sanctioned, for example losing their right to work, and others who were illegally
detained under immigration powers after they had completed their prison sentences, were among
those to be sent apology letters.

A total of 67 people have now received personal apologies from Mr

He said he was "committed to right the wrongs of successive governments".

Thousands of people were wrongly targeted by the "hostile environment" strategy for illegal immigration in
the Windrush scandal.

Many of those affected were people from Caribbean countries who arrived in the UK after World War
Two, between 1948 and 1971.

Mr Javid said the experiences of some of the Windrush generation - which involved wrongful detentions
and deportations - had been "completely unacceptable".

The government's Commonwealth Citizen's Taskforce would be reaching out to individuals they were not
already in contact with to provide any assistance required to document their status and to explain the
compensation scheme, the Home Office said.



An estimated 500,000 people now living in the UK have been called the Windrush generation, in
reference to a ship which brought workers to the UK in 1948.

They were granted indefinite leave to remain in 1971 but thousands were children travelling on their parents' passports
, without their own documents.

Changes to immigration law in 2012 meant those without documents were asked for evidence to continue working,
access services or even to remain in the UK.

Some were held in detention or removed, despite living in the country for decades.

A review by a Home Office taskforce of 11,800 Caribbean cases in 2018 identified 164 who were deported or
detained who might have been resident in the UK before 1973.



The Commonwealth Citizen Taskforce, which is open to all nationalities, was established by the Home Office to
"right the wrongs experienced by the Windrush generation".

A compensation scheme for those affected opened in April and the government said there was "no cap" on the
amount victims could receive.

More than 6,400 individuals have been given documentation confirming their status so far, including over 4,200 individuals
who have successfully applied to become British nationals, the Home Office said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48585147