someone shot or stabbed every three days in london well done the london mayor sadiq khan

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/spiralling-murder-rate-must-be-number-one-priority-in-2018_124980?profile=1096

It is quite troubling that more than 1,600 Jamaicans lost their lives in 2017 due to crime.
The police figures show that up to February 6, 2018, 156 people were killed since the year started.

While our security forces try their best to manage the State of Emergency in Montego Bay, we have seen brazen incidents of gunmen attacking and killing people in broad daylight.

Jamaica/London, black on black crime. It's cultural.

Things in London are much worse than they appear, and in Europe its much worse
Its just it takes a little time to become apparent because of the underlying structure from previous centuries

I agree with Injera.  It's in the South, Central and Carribean culture.  Not just black on black, latino on latino too

Different from predominantly Muslim and African countries, where violence is driven by racism/religion

This on going destruction of Europe through immigration.

The systematic destruction of the Middle East: Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria.
And now it looks like Russia is the latest target.

How can all this be put down to accident or misjudgement?

Once we are all integrated then the New World Order can begin

You can look back to overthrowing Saddam and then Gaddafi (which Hilary Clinton pushed for when Secretary of State) opening up the borders with only one logical way to go as not even that lot would want to settle in Africa.

i said the magic words it seems muslim and labour then my post been removed because it was reported can't tell the truth about labour politicians keeping quiet about anything to do with muslims but it's ok for them to verbally attack the jewish community

It's difficult to know what the main post war event was that led to increased Muslim fundamentalism.  It's a paradox of peace and hatred with a set of core values that are racist, homphobic and mysoginistic.  Such that when those ideals are challenged, some resort to violence.  My opinion is that it was the US governemnt's inferred betrayal of the deal it did with Indonesia not to allow it to continue it's mass genocide of Christians in East Timor in the 70s that started it all.  The US was happy to turn a blind eye and keep to the deal, but the Western press in other countries made certain it couldn't.  It took over 2 decades to pay them back, but 9/11 was mainly because of that.

50-100 years ago the UK was also racist, homophobic and mysoginistic, but as it's changed, the Muslim world hasn't changed with it.  Tehnology and Social Media has meant that the ideals that underpin Islam are too easily challenged and Muslims can't handle it.

do not go on to Channel 4  you will end up damaging the tv

Jon Snow interviewing the usual types 

*At least one of em speaks proper English innit.

at least it has kept trump out of the news

oh no it hasn't  he is third on ch4  with live reports - how exciting

according to the three black spokespersons/representatives it is lack of respect, lack of investment in youth(spend lots more)
police can't fix it,and young feel they are not protected???   eh!? Police fault etc and all the usual blarney

It looked like they were all looking for jobs !!

Now we have a bleeding heart piece about that foreign woman locked up in her own country. Nowt about two more terrorists nicked in Savile Town.

How are the poor London dealers expected to get by now there is no Kids Company taxpayers money being recycled into the drug economy?

I don't suppose C4 were ungentlemanly enough to pose that question?

I am surprise ch4 are even mentioning this at the same time as the killings

From ch4 - black men are 10 times more likely to suffer from a psychotic disorder.

But guess who is at fault

Is it old whitey?

"according to the three black spokespersons/representatives it is lack of respect,"

Made me think of Joe Pesci in Goodfellas

like the killings stabbings etc it is the system that is at fault and not feeling part of society etc etc
I really cannot listen to any more of the same old stuff being trotted out
It is all your fault saddo.

I just think back 35 years when my boss, who was rather strict and straight - good at cricket and a laugh when relaxing from his normal 'boss' deameanor.

Oh and he was from Jamaican parents.  So what makes him different???

definitely racism and seeing the whole............. blah blah

guy says it's labelling - well ch4 have done a good job of doing that  with the headline they started with!!!

the dynamic suppression, oppressive,   the oppressed blah blah - I love the sociological expressions.

followed by more Trump   honestly we have Telford and this scandal of london violence and much more time spent elsewhere
it's about clinton / lewinsky - in the age of trump etc etc  !!??

time to switch off

Did they not manage to squeeze Savile Town in

Watching it on +1.  Only one of the three talking sense is the former gang member.

I am proud of david lammy

He gets right to the heart of the issue. That its then - arrest the drug gangs and spend more money,  got it in one - brilliant. No thought of personal responsibility.  It is a wonder there isn't a lot more violence as people are so disaffected.

Quote from the guardian

After the death of Tanesha Melbourne-Blake put London on track for its highest homicide rate since 2005, the Labour MP David Lammy said the situation was “worse than I’ve ever seen it”. He blamed the rapid growth of the illicit drug economy and cuts to public services for the rising violence.

Agreed Clyde. He was bang on. Challenged the notion that more police = less crime. He said it was a community problem and then the interview ended.

It is like the other much bigger problem.  I suppose we have to change the whole country round completely, into something else that is not Great Britain, so to please them.

Has Khan Dealt with the Diabolical Will Young incident yet ..

How about fathers taking responsibility for the children they bring into the world,by keeping them on the straight and narrow and above all,being there.Just a thought bruv!

As usual a lot of nonsense on here from people who don't live in London and in many cases don't even visit. I'm in the West End almost every week and have not once felt unsafe. I've never seen gangs of youths hanging around there as suggested earlier in the thread. Of course there are some areas in London you tend to avoid but that's the same in any City. Serious gang crime is clearly on the rise and that needs to be tackled but it doesn't have much bearing on the safety of the general public.

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How about fathers taking responsibility for the children they bring into the world,by keeping them on the straight and narrow and above all,being there.Just a thought bruv!

Are you suggesting some sort of pre-school gang initiative integrating the kids into the ways of their father at an even younger age
How can people who are living the way they are 'bring up kids'?

the west end is a tourist trap heavily policed and made save for tourists,its like saying blackpool is the pleasure beach,and the drug taking,  crime ,poverty,poor housing behind the main strip doesn't excist

asparagus I DO

THE WEST END  ha ha ha - very representative of london


hope this helps - and they are at it in many parts of london

even in areas outside of the your west london

pick up a local paper every week and see it loads of gang crime stabbings galore

not just killings but tons of violence

FROM SOMEONE WHO DOES LIVE IN LANDAN

moisk...You are so brave...take care.

Yes, all these stabbings and murders... all the fault of the Mayor of London - so long as it's the Mayor we want to have a pop at, at every opportunity.

Now, I'm no fan of Khan, but he isn't so all-powerful that these crimes can be attributed to him.
I don't remember any threads blaming Johnson for all the bad stuff which happened when he was mayor of London.

This sort of sums up much of the crap on here:

Dr Crippen  • April 3, 2018 3:25 PM BST 

Until we get a government that isn't afraid of being tagged as racist nothing will be done.
Labour aren't afraid of being called racist, but unfortunately they're on the wrong side,

I think the police let them get on with it.  Not enough political strength to do what needs to be done. Only reacting when it leads to a killing.  They have had one hand tied behind their backs so to speak.
How can they patrol the streets if the mayor allocates 900 coppers to looking for 'hate crimes' - definitely not khan's fault ha ha

more interested in policing rickshaws on oxford street

Moisok, in your desperation to pen your relentless poison, you don't seem to have noticed that it was others suggesting they felt unsafe in the West End to which i was replying. I've undoubtedly felt much more unsafe in many other Cities in the UK than I ever have in London.

I was a bookie manager as a young man in London in the late 80s early 90s.  One armed robbery and twice mugged in the space of 2/3 years.  I blocked out the shotgun, but I still remember the six inch knife and the arm around my neck on the final mugging.

asparagus   I think the relentless poison is in london -so you would rather criticise those who are trying to point out our problems living here  -    at least we know where you stand on this appalling situation

you don't even live here  - west end  ha ha!!!

More relentless poison

more deaths again -  but it obscures the stabbings and shooting that haven't caused death - they are going on all the time - and just how many - they are nearly running the show in some areas

but this is relentless poison to say so

dear dianne demanding the end of stop and search - so what happened to black lives matter - that certainly isn't going to help her constituents is it?

I'm inured to hearing about the shootings/knifings in London especially when it mostly appears to be black on black gang crime. There is only one way of sorting it out... round up every hooligan in the area and anyone with a gun or knife consigned to a newly created British Guantanamo Bay. A remote Scottish island would suit and also provide work opportunities for the locals.
Lammy/Abbott both nausiate me with their hand wringing , blaming everyone else for the behaviour of these animals.

There is definitely a media black out < little acknowledgement of the fact this is a predominately black on black crime. Mainstream media too tepid and scared to address the issue, it was the same with the London Riots in 2011, every still image, every video footage and every looter was of dark skinned appearance or near enough, Eddie Nestor of BBC London Radio used to cut off callers when they piped up on the matter and said what was obvious unless you are were born blind. He is black.

The ever useless David Lammy refuses to address the root of the problem and instead chooses to pander to the local community that elects him into his position in the first place, by diverting attention to 'authorities that have not invested enough resources into the area' and 'agencies that don't understand how to tackle the problem, to 'white Eastern Europeans fuelling drug wars' lol, throw everything into the mixer to muddy the waters and cause confusion.

This is clearly a cultural problem, the same way that it's a cultural problem for large numbers of the male Pakistani community to be involved in in grooming gangs. Large number of young black males mostly with West Indian Roots, grow up in single parent families without a father figure, Rap videos and lyrics promoting violence / glorifying gangster lifestyles, very deprived areas of London and a lot of angry young men leads to a dangerous cocktail of gangs, guns, knives and murder. The only solution long term is too slow down immigration from commonwealth countries or make an example of those convicted with heavy punishments, but that it wont happen.

If you live in places like Richmond, Hampstead, Kensington you will feel safe, venture into certain parts ofLambeth, Southwark, Tower Hamlets, Newham, Harrigey and it's a different city altogether.

As for West End, there is a higher crime rate than people think according to statistics.

Westminster
Quintessentially London, Westminster is home to most of the West End, St James’s Palace, Buckingham Palace, Oxford Street and Regent Street. That said, given that the Houses of Parliament are located there, its status as the most crime-ridden London borough may make some sense. However, since expense scandals and cash for access aren’t listed in the Met’s figures, something else must be going on. Westminster has for a long time been the borough with the highest number of violent crimes per person, and has one of the highest crime rates in the UK. With a massive 51,103 crimes committed last year – including 11,685 incidents of violence against the person, 28,250 thefts, 3,134 burglaries and 928 sexual offences – the 8.29 square miles which make up Westminster are particularly dangerous.


Kind Regards

There was an ex copper on C4 news the other night. A black man who'd done 30 years service.

He said the police need to be more representative of the community. i.e more black coppers. After 30 years that is the ignorance he was spouting.

I should think Jamican Plod are nearly 100% black and yet look at the death toll!!

' Police statistics show that for the first six days of the year, there were 38 murders, 16 shootings and 17 robberies.

This is compared with 23 murders, 18 shootings and 16 robberies over the similar period last year.

Jamaica closed 2017 with 1,616 murders, one of the highest homicide figures on record.

St James in the western section of the island led with 335 murders, followed by Clarendon with 168 and Westmoreland with 147.'  jamaica-gleaner.com/article/lead-stories/20180108/38-murders-first-six-days-2018

To say this is to be villified.  Nothing will be done. No votes in it either way. Like the other issue.  No votes in it

apologies for the relentless poison

another one lunchtime  - oops sorry to mention it

plod now going to have a special 120 man squad to take the worst gangsters off the street

stupid silly 'relentless poison' questions for people

why ONLY NOW - why weren't they doing it before (they know them for starters)

Why only the worst - what about the rest of them who are at it?

Moisok, you really are a bizarre character. Making incorrect assertions about where i live, whilst completely failing to address the point i was making about the West End being much safer than individuals earlier in the thread were suggesting.

I felt safe and I was mugged twice and I felt safe afterwards tbh.  You are 100 times more likely to die from cancer or heart problems.  I'm sure like most blokes, I'm much more worried when I go to the doctors.

As for the West End.  I think I'd echo mesmerised's quote.  I reckon it's the most likely area of London to be a victim of a crime.  Too many easy targets (thinking they and their possessions are safe)

That said, what winds me up most about all these stabbings and murders is the smoke and mirror diversionary blaming game from the likes of Lammy and Abbott.  Neither are bright enough to be politicians which winds me up even more.

It's a cultural issue and if you want to do anything about it you have to see it as it is.  Accept it's a cultural issue and don't blame external factors. Like being an alcoholic.  First you have to accept you are an alcoholic and want to stop.

northanlite    03 Apr 18 15:32 
You want to put a simple race spin on it but murder rates are even higher in Glasgow & that isn't the issue there.
It is a socio-economic problem with many factors involved and the problems faced in both cities will be similar
even if the skin tone is different


Correct. And maybe cutting uk police force by 20,000 has some impact ??!!

No it's not correct.  London has a higher murder rate, nearly double on latest figures.  Glasgow is the worst area in Scotland though.  And it almost suffers from greater poverty than London.

Ignore the word almost

Of course more police resource would reduce crime.
Presence on the streets alone would be a deterrent.
Less - doesn't seem to be working does it ?

https://mobile.twitter.com/SteveBlogs11/status/981903354044567553/video/1 is this you facts?

Another way of tackling the problem would be to prevent the troublemakers from breeding and thus passing on their criminal genes. I'm sure Lammy and his like would be up in arms and go on about 'human rights' however my stance is that by arming themselves and joining gangs they've forfeited the right to be considered human.

What is needed is a proper crackdown to get every one of the scum off the streets for good thus allowing law abiding people to reclaim their streets and go about their business day or night without the risk of being caught up in the cross fire.

I'd like to make it clear to anyone thinking this is a racist solution that i'm not just picking on those of West Indian origin....anyone white,brown ,black would be treated the same

as an incorrect bizarre person with relentless poison I have to concur.

If you say more police on the street won't do it, then what is this special patrol group of 120 all about?   

The SPG brings back memories ho ho  remember them???

London is a multicultural cesspit .

Landan can be very very nice - lots of nice areas to go to - especially on days like today.  I have been let out today  - very pleasant.  But hurried home before it got too close to sunset.

I believe the same can be said of Damascus.

wots all this stuff about 'they' control certain areas - there are no no go sh!t hole areas in Landan - we are told.?

Mind you, the police know who it is in many cases so why are they not arresting and disrupting.  NO VOTES in it for the mayor.

One of the best ones that came out was, 'we don't feel protected', meaning the police aren't doing their job.  That was on sky the other night.

nothing good comes of London, and hasn't done for at least 50 years

Someone Kenny i think posted a nice video filmed in London,Looked very nice and peaceful

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5zk0eyKzp1c

Seems a bit different now according to the news

its London, its good not to give two hoots about the sh!tehole

more police? certainly not we cant afford it. If they don't know how to behave that's too bad

I knew the whites would get the blame after the police - it is in fact WAIT FOR IT .............

THE EAST EUROPEANS, PARTICULARLY THE ALBANIANS !!

tut tut moisok, I think you will find the Albanian criminals are as British as you or me,

how bizarre!!!

two more this evening - Bow area ? these people are absolute poison

2 more that we've been allowed to hear about,what's with allowing more into the public than normal this last fortnight or so? By the way I'm still sure it's 'tip of the iceberg' stuff.

I think Khan has forgotten about all the acid attacks and other violent acts that haven't resulted in a reported death.I'd be confident anything 'honour' related wouldn't have been included either.

police and our friends will be saying it is coz more is being reported to the police  ho ho

sorry for spouting poison and misinformation - I have told porkies -it is not two but  actually three separate stabbings this evening

how bizarre I should be caught out like that

so far!!!

So they've allowed just the 3 then

Murder rates gone down in Glasgow despite reduced police presence.  Targeted stop and search is the most obvious thing the police could do to prevent it, but that's going to upset peoples sensibilities.

They can't be profiling these days, racist innit.

Unless you are non White as shown by Lammy

Thanks to the misguided fixation that our political and media establishment have with multiculturalism, we are living in a new dark age, which will get progressively worse and leave this country unrecognisable.
These politicaly correct progressives do not care about the consequences of their mass migration policies and the misery that their policies will bring on a majority of the population.

You are correct but how long before we are the minority?

the two stooges on sky this morning skip an dodge around the issue on 'the papers'

they are as much of the the problem as those involved in the street violence by muddying the waters with their splutterings and obfuscation - apparently according to the tatooed bright orange dyed haired sociologist (talk about a stereotype) says it is a working class children issue -  neither mention black or culture or 'owt.

out in Landan today  - I wonder how that will go - probably trip over a load of chinese tourists taking pics of big ben

ho ho

Don't forget clean pants and fresh body armour.

Extreme action is taken to eliminate the vermin .Perhaps the answer is the setting up of vigilante groups ;I'm sure President Duterte would be more than happy to advise.

Sorry that should have read.....Extreme action is required to eliminate the vermin

Seven the final number from yesterday

Cease with the 'continual poison'.

back in safe  - so wadda use lot on abart!!!???

the people to blame are the groups doing the stuff - very simple - plus it is a cultural fing amongst the newbies

why not get out and get a job - many do but others think they can do it an illegal way so let them suffer the penalty

they just think differently to decent people

nope,the problems we face today go back decades, not the last few years although nothing has changed in fact the same and bigger mistakes are being made.
But these things take time to filter through because we have too many people in this country and millions more arriving

*nope to facts post, not moisok

the tory party are to blame, over decades. and the labour party are to blame over decades
Now May and Corbyn and others will have to deal with the mess, of course they are too incapable and dishonest to do so

untouchable - too many votes to be lost in both communities

"Some in government are quick to blame others. But this is a shameless and knee-jerk response, that not only displays ignorance of the complexity of the problem but also hand wringing by those truly to blame.

Rising crime is a symptom of much deeper failings in our criminal justice system and also demonstrates how the Tories have totally forgotten the importance of rooting out the causes of crime. Let’s look at this in more detail"

Whoever wrote really is a hypocrite of the highest order

Blaming the Tory government for the black knife and gun culture in London.  We really are dealing with some sick imbeciles

where's black lives matter when you want them?

look on the bright side at least we dont have all those offensive posters down the tube now.