Are you a druggy?

Lanzoprazole and paint fumes here.

Looking at the statin on the end of the list, that reminds me why alcohol is bad for the heart.

Apparently it's responsible for producing loads of LDL along with fructose. Also the fatty acids produced by both causes insulin resistance which is stage 2 diabetes.

I suggest anyone on statins should stop drinking and cut out sugar as far as possible.

They should find their blood pressure coming down as a bonus.

Dr Crippen you're well informed good post
I haven't drank for 11 months and eat very low sugar basically I've realised my health is the most important thing,gone are the abusive ways of filling in time avoiding doctors and hospitals etc. are first priority now

NHS -   just for starters -  diet for diabetics includes rice, potatoes, pasta, bread  - they are crazy - I bet you know the effect that has on BS  levels

Best to do your own research,you're spot on I know what I was like when I drank or ate carbs my heart rate used to go through the roof,my face would go scarlet and I'd be having adrenal rushes and sugar crashes for days.

wow!!!  good luck to you - the amazing thing is the resistance to low carb in the nhs

I used to play alot of darts and thought it was just nerves or pressure but really the pressure was my adrenal glands being burnt out.I'd imagine I was flooded with cortisol but it took til I was fairly drunk til I didn't feel the effects until I woke up the next day of course

Fri.
1. 80mg Atorvasatin
1. 2.5mg Bisoprolol fumarate
1. 1.25mg Ramipril
1. 75mg Asprin

5 cans Fosters
3 Large Brandys
smidge of coke
1. 100mg Sildenafil
2. 500mg Paracetamol

Nice Day, Pleasant Evening.

Moisok there are two camps of thought over that.

Obviously carbs turn to glucose and trigger insulin. So with fewer carbs, less insulin in needed to push the glucose into the receptors and bring down the sugar, and less medication is needed. That's a fact.

Yet when protein and fat are included with cars the insulin needed to get the glucose into the receptors goes right up. That is a fact as well.
The low carb merchants claim here is the reason for insulin resistance in the first place - the receptors are clogged with fat. 
So remove fat from the diet and the glucose goes in, and less insulin is needed.
They claim a plant based diet free from fat can reverse stage 2 diabetes in many cases.

There's a lot of controversy over the ideal diet for S2 diabetes.

On the other side of the coin, fat does not trigger insulin.

The low carb merchants claim they can effectively treat diabetics with a low carb diet.

In both cases, losing weight gives each patient a flying start.
Whether a high fat, high protein diet is healthy in the long term is very dubious.

Should be:
On the other side of the coin, fat does not trigger insulin if digested alone.

The low carb merchants claim here is the reason for insulin resistance in the first place

I'm afraid I made a mess of that as well.

Should be ''low fat merchants.''

I went Keto for 3 months last year and if controlled properly with adequate Magnesium,Potassium,Sodium and water it will change the lives of almost everyone who is type 2 or pre diabetic.
Insulin and glucose get stabilised within a few days and you start using the visceral fat around your liver,pancreas,stomach etc which is inhibiting your insulin resistance.
To do this especially without lots of excercise you have to empty your glycogen stores which wont take more than 2 weeks then your liver can turn the fat into ketones which are used for fuel.When you're in this stage your liver feeds enough glucose to your brain and glycogen is stored in smaller amounts as your body can turn protein into glucose but is used efficiently when you're in ketosis.
I'm currently doing a low carb/ketogenic diet but as I'm excercising I'm having refeeds twice per week and I was sceptical about coming out of ketosis but it's working very well excercise wise.

I take Omeprazole 20mg and am currently on a course of Naproxen (anti-inflammatory) as I've had shoulder surgery and it's still sore.

SlippyBlue Naproxen works but when I was on them I started pooing blood my mother used to take them bbut she takes tablets (Lananzoprozole?) which protect her stomach and small intestines for all her medication.I was taking them with food.
Also I've found anti-inflammatories destroy your testosterone levels and I noticed big time when excercising on them but obviously if you're in pain you're gonna take whatever you can

Good post 18:09 Denzil.
I like the electrolytes.

Many try intermittent fasting to lose weight. I often skip meals if I'm not particularly hungry.

I'd like to add that my blood sugar has only ever gone into the pre-diabetes zone since I've been checking it, and that was when I ate a high fat/low carb diet.

I switched back to a starch based diet free of fat and my sugar count returned to normal.

I'm not knocking anything, just stating what happened to me.

When I first came off Keto I found that I could use starch normally but what happened after a week or so I started to get my old aches and pains back.Unrelated I had an abcess flair up so I was drinking milk through a straw and eating mashed banana but I found after a day or so I wasn't hungry and this went on for about 12 days where I'd have  only a pint or so of milk and 2 bananas (plus anti-inflammatories and pain killers)
When I got my tooth sorted I decided to go low carb again and I'm feeling spot on with progression in excercise and no problems after refeeds,what has helped is better supplementation I take a good ZMA and vitamin D supplements which seem to be working.

The problem most people will get will be sugar withdrawal but that goes away after a couple of days with plenty electrolytes

I exercise well now too and feel so much better all round
Part of the reason low carb is seen as problematic is the nhs and doctors themselves
However SENSIBLE  low carb is good - but the otherside of the coin suggesting bread, potatoes, rice, pasta
any diabetic will tell you what happens to your BS levels two hours after eating meals like that.
A decent alternative to rice is cauliflower rice - so nowt wrong with that.
Veg is good of course and salad (although you would be surprised at even that)
eggs excellent - and bake cakes etc with alternatives to flour which is another processed evil

but we have had this debate before - steer clear of processed stuff

I've been prescribed a pill which my missus lets me take once a year on my birthday..................Viagra

Forgot about this!

Had a foot injury that didn't want to heal and then became septic..

Had to gatecrash A&E a week last Sunday, in the hope that a nurse could clean it up, and put on a decent dressing.

Unfortunately none were available but, luckily, I saw a doctor who gave me a prescription for Flucloxacillin.
Also told me to go to my GP and have a nurse sort me out.

GP receptionist said I need to go to the hospital!!!!

Started taking them the following day but, after a few days, I was going mad with uncontrollable itching all over.

In the shower, I saw that I was totally covered in angry looking red spots, and my upper chest was all red.

Checked side effects, and that was one of them, and I still had three days to complete the course.

Spoke to my doctor, the following day, and she told me to stop taking them.

Ended up with the podiatrist who was cross that I wasn't referred straight to him!

Your life in their hands.....

Bonkers!

yes and you are quite right it is what suits the individual and getting back to normal.

Seriously I take five a day three for the ticker and one for the arthritis Naproxen and the Lananzoproole. All this we're living longer bs NO we're being kept alive longer

DenzilPenberthy, yes I have been told Naproxen can cause bleeding hence me taking Omeprazole first thing in the morning as well. It won't be for long hopefully that I have to take these as I never take tablets for anything normally.

They reckon half an hours walking is better for your health than any pill they can prescribe you

Consider this:
With 30% of the fructose we eat ending up as fat, a high sugar diet is in fact a high fat diet.

Sugar is a carb, and high carb diets when compared to high fat diets always include sugar.

Yet there's no sugar at all in the high fat diet.

I believe sugar should be kept to a minimum in high carb diets as well.

Ufcdan, I walk my Muttley three times a day and unless it's absolutely hissing down I'd cover about 8-10 miles every day and always feel better for a stroll in the park. I take him to the pub half way round for a livener for me and a doggie treat for him, a win win situation!

J  run up that hill to your bruv's pub a few times would keep anyone fit!!!
all the best

Dr Crippen when I'm on all out Keto I eat greens and berries for health and the general rule is you can include carbs in doses which don't knock you out of ketosis and fibre is taken off the sugar total (i.e aren't counted as sugar) 50g was stated as a good starting point,some people need less to stay in ketosis some get away with a bit higher.
It's possible to take pure glucose around excercise time and stay in ketosis as it doesn't get processed by your liver and goes straight into the bloodstream.

Should've said that 50g was per day

I have rarely taken any drugs except for the odd painkiller. 

I think all these drugs are dangerous, they all have side effects and they have never been tested with other drugs together.

I think that a lot of suicides and crime can be put down to ordinary drugs that interfere with people's mental health.

Yes Denzil, as I understand you can't have insulin present and fat burning at the same time.

I saw a good Joe Rogan podcast about targetted eating which is similar to intermittent fasting,the woman on there was talking about getting all your food in like an 8 hour window.You aren't allowed anything outside the time frame that can be metabolized by the liver so only water no coffee etc.
I might give it a go on Keto when my excercise plateaus as at the minute I think I've got my diet right and don't want to spoil things.
Some of those podcasts are great if you ignore Joe and his mate and just listen to the guests.
The Victor Conte podcast is the most informative and interesting programme I've ever watched,superb

LFV, injuries that prove difficult to heal can indicate diabetes.

This it Denzil:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6KClPkotxM

cool

Metformin
Atorvastatin
Lanzoprazole
Ramipril
Amlodipine
Amitryptiline
Topical Steroid creams


I could be on much stronger ones too, but I didn't want them.
Actually I don't take all the above every day either. I think it's just GP's dispensing instead of examining and doctoring.
I don't feel much better for most of them or much worse if I don't take them. My guess is that this applies to loads of us.

8 Aspall

works wonders

10 when the missus on one

Just a flakka or 2 at the weekends

Amitryptiline
Diazepam
Zopiclone
Pentaprozole
Sertraline
Tildeum

about 50 bow a night(400ml)

YEP

UFCDAN .. why werent you at skitzis do today in Bromley ? must of been about 50+ old firm im wired

zigga zagga

It's startling when we consider the health of people in the West.
When instead of us all enjoying better health as a result of science, our health is getting worse.
How many couples are there over the age of 60 where one of them aren't taking some kind of prescription drug?
I'd guess it's more likely that both of them are taking the stuff.
And if this thread is any criterion, drug cocktails seem to be the norm.

Which is not surprising because metabolic syndrome includes high blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease, gout and obesity.
Suffer with one and the risk of having the others goes up. 

It's clear that something is going radically wrong.

apart from the fresh stuff look what processed food is available - tons of it - full of crap 

big food organisations profit from  it -  it is a huge scandal

Yes moisok, it's the food.

A recent report told us of the increased cancer risks associated with processed food.
And going back, how many times have we been warned about eating scorched protein in the form of bacon, beef steak, even toast.

A report comes out, it's published, then tucked away with the rest of the warnings, and the public carry on eating the stuff and feeding it to their kids.

Anyone who takes any notice and refuses to eat the poison is regarded as a freak.

The obesity epidemic is simply sugar addiction.

What else can it be when someone can't eat a biscuit without finishing off the packet, or eating a portion of ice cream without going back for more, and that's on top of a meal.

It's the sugar; 30% turns to fat and fructose doesn't trigger insulin.
So the bit that comes with insulin which tells the brain that you've eaten enough isn't present, and you carry on loading up with carbs and fat.

For a similar reason diabetics are always hungry, the drugs they take don't come with a appetite suppressor like our own insulin does, so they're always hungry as well.

^^See what I mean?

You might as well try and educate a monkey for all the notice they take.

What's your prescription drug count by the way?

@ STUDYFORM.....

Add the 'Topical Steroid Cream' to my list...

I wonder where I would be, if my bro in law hadn't hooked me up to his BP monitor, as someone who was also suffering with hypertension!

My result was almost off the scale, and hence started with this cocktail of prescription drugs,increasing, and adding to, over time!

I guess could have been deceased, as this was perhaps twenty five years ago, or could have been a long time afterwards before ending
up in the doctor's surgery as, before that, I hadn't been to a GP for years.

Actually I am a freak by normal standards, in that I don't take any prescription drugs at all.

What an amazing thread!!

Unbelievable to read about all these prescription drugs everyone's taking.

I'm 51, I haven't seen a doctor since I was about 18, in fact I don't even have a doctor. I smoke, I drink socially - not heavily - three or four times a week, and I eat more or less exactly what I want whenever I want it. I'm 6ft 3in, always carried a pound or two more than my fighting weight, still play cricket to a decent standard - I've noticed a slight and progressive reduction in physical power over the last couple of years but nothing too alarming.

I have never taken a drug prescribed by a doctor. I take a small dose of God's herbal medicine every day, and I feel as fit as a fiddle. Incidentally, I haven't had a cold or flu or anything like that for at least twenty years.

My brother, only 2 years younger than me, has no medication (except for when he gets gout) and he's a couple of years older than you, jed!
Different folks, different strokes, eh?

From time to time I'm on even more than I listed.
All we can go by is current medical thinking and that is that we many people should take all these (mostly preventative) pills.

As we get older, we get less energy, less strong and less able and it's progressive, sadly.
No-one warned me about this. Until about 5 years ago, I took hardly anything for anything.

STUDYFORM
There are 9 calories in a gram of fat and 4 in a gram of sugar

Have to admit that this is my failing....

"Red table wine and rose wine provide the same level of calories, with about 125 calories per glass, or 625 calories per bottle. White table wine is slightly lower in calories, with 121 calories per glass, or 605 calories per bottle".

Look at the calories in these 'coffees' in high street cafes and they contain twice as much as a bottle of wine.


There is no appetite to properly inform people when the politics are short-termist and profit is everything.
Its politics that shape agendas that encourage opportunism for gain today and dont care what the after effects are, so irresponsibility is ingrained and companies produce whatever they need to make money, if people die theres another to replace them.

Its the private sector that does this, if ever 'good advice' is offered that is only ever the result of public funding.

You have little or no chance.
Your cell division is set to degrade over time, and the greed of corporations increase within capitalism to create growth.
That means temptation is used at every turn, its very difficult to avoid bad influence.

As for drugs I took recreational ones but non of these on the lists.
Its ironic given the advice that nobody should take drugs unless they are the ones sanctioned and taxed and created by big pharma.

Sorry, denzil, you are right. it's about 2.5 times more calories for fat over sugar, not 8 times as I said.
I knew it was about 120 calories for a Tablespoon of oil and about 15 for a tablespoon of sugar except I've been getting it wrong for years!!!
Turns out its about 15 for a TEAspoon of sugar.

I'm in the wrong job to be labouring under such a misapprehension.
Thank you.

One of the most interesting things I discovered recently was how prices of drugs varies SO greatly. In the USA they're ridiculously more expensive than anywhere else.
One of the steroid creams I have to use has a cost of £37 in this country. It's about $800 in the states.
I bought 30 Omeprazole in a little pot for about £2.50 about 5 years ago at the chemist in the airport in Menorca.
They're prescription only and a minimum of £25 here for 30 and about $75 in the US

If you have Netflix there are plenty of documentaries about prescription drugs it's a huge corrupt business with propaganda galore and we're trying to to be the same seemingly

You see those documentaries on amazon prime also, and having watched one you get other suggestions of similar persuasions.
Until such time you are marked down as a non conformist and placed on the watchlist

I don't have Netflix.
But I know about Pharmaceutical companies.
More especially the people who work for and run them. I don't know how they live with themselves.
They are among those at the root of the world's evils.

Profit is placed far above death, pain and misery. Even when they've made a fortune on a product, or might still make loads, just not quite as much.

Like most things. How much easier could life be for some people if there were less huge corporations.

Health is big business both sides of the Atlantic.

The criterion for prescribing statins was lowered from 6 to 5 not too many years ago.
There was no reason given.
Now the threshold for diagnosing high blood pressure has been lowered, certainly in America. Which nets I don't know how many more millions of people to sell their drugs to.   
And is dangerous, lifestyle changes can correct blood pressure.
So a person on BP lowering drugs who changes their habits could see their BP falling too low.

The idea is to sell as many drugs as possible. I suspect the top NHS boys in charge of policy are in the control of the drug manufacturers.

What other explanation was there for the reluctance of health professionals to adopt the cure for stomach ulcers?
Ten years after the cure was made public still only 10% of GPs were using it.
The situation is different now of course, but it still stinks.

This high cholesterol lark is bolox in many cases from what I've learned
Your cholesterol fluctuates all day and night and readings can be a bit of a lottery especially when in a fasted state as your liver produces cholesterol to feed you
Having higher cholesterol you are LESS LIKELY to suffer from many diseases
The fact that Heart Disease is the number 1 killer in Vegans says alot

A review of scientific studies into the effectiveness of statins found that around one in every 50 people who take the medication for five years will avoid a serious event, such as a heart attack or stroke, as a result.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/statins/

1 in 50, which includes the high risk groups that have already had a heart attack or stroke.

Why do the figures include the high risk groups?
Is there something they don't want us to know?

The figures for the side effects are fiddled as well. I understand they do a preliminary test on people before they subject them to any study.
So those who show immediate symptoms aren't used in the study. 
Which is fiddling the figures in anyone's book.

I wonder how many members of the general public are taken off these drugs after the first check is made?
I know three people personally who were taken off statins due to liver problems,

Statins are effective in decreasing mortality in people with pre-existing CVD.[25] They are also advocated for use in people at high risk of developing coronary heart disease.[26] On average, statins can lower LDL cholesterol by 1.8 mmol/l (70 mg/dl), which translates into an estimated 60% decrease in the number of cardiac events (heart attack, sudden cardiac death) and a 17% reduced risk of stroke after long-term treatment.[27] They have less effect than the fibrates or niacin in reducing triglycerides and raising HDL-cholesterol ("good cholesterol").[28][29]

Statins have been studied for improving operative outcomes in cardiac and vascular surgery.[30] Mortality and adverse cardiovascular events were reduced in statin groups.

A tiny 75mg Aspirin twice a week will bring about 1 in 50.

Statins are quite effective preventative drugs. Particularly with high-risk groups.

The biggest side effect issue is usually muscular pain - particularly legs.

Cholesterol blood tests should always be fasting tests, Denzil, otherwise they would, you're right, be inaccurate.

I'm no supporter of prescribed poisons, but some of them do have their purpose.

The point I was trying to make about the blood cholesterol tests are that your blood cholesterol in naturally higher when fasted so the readings will be abnormally high in some healthy people.
Agree with statins for those who've gone too far but there's plenty who take zero responsibilty for their lifestyle and expect drugs to cure everything.It's rife everywhere I'm sure if I went to get checked over properly they'd have me on something I had alot of unhealthy years but through work commitments and life there's always things that get in the way of sorting it out.
I've had to have a complete change of everything to get to the stage I'm at now but trying to be healthy is a way of life and it's probably not possible for most people in today's society.
I can only do it these days because I'm on my own time and my social life is non existent tbh.

Agree completely with Denzel's second sentence about people relying on drugs to compensate for a poor lifestyle. They're deluded if they think that might work.

Such as the situation with heart disease.

Does high LDL cholesterol causes heart disease - absolutely not.

Does heart disease cause high LDL cholesterol - absolutely yes.

Yet most people think it's the other way around.

Inflammation in the arteries causes heart disease, not cholesterol.
The cholesterol simply repairs the damage caused by inflammation.
That's why we need to change our lifestyles if we have high levels of LDL.

Lowering LDL doesn't prevent heart disease.

Should be; lowering LDL in itself doesn't prevent heart disease.