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Vegans call me murderer and rapist
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What we should be doing is building support for better conditions and a humane death when being slaughtered.
Agree with Aka and Kenny that this is the real issue. Meat is an international trade and a few tens of thousands turning vegan here will not make one jot of difference to the number of animals slaughtered. Improving standards here and insisting on the same standards for all imports whether fresh meat or processed products is what we should be concerned about. |
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A murderer and a rapist?
Wot no pillaging? |
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it's getting folk who eat meat to spend more on meat products reared in the best possible way .... as far as i'm aware and seen ,our pigs get the best treatment and conditions ...same with chickens kept in proper housing with space to roam .. free range eggs and not barn eggs for example ...some stores also have a better record with animal welfare than others too .
the problem is most folk who buy meat/milk/eggs want it at the cheapest price and don't care where it is sourced ...once the trade is beyond our borders there is no telling how animals are treated . Who even looks at the labels on packaging ? It's a job getting folk to become veggie ... it was easy for me years ago as i couldn't stand the taste/texture of meat to start with as a child  to others i swear it is the biggest thing in their life |
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from experience of my time at any animal rights protest i would say the hard core vegans look down on the veggies as much as anyone - they are very fierce in their beliefs about diary consumption .. i fell out with more than a few .
Fox hunting also is a massive no no for them  |
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dairy even
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Dairy is probably more stressful than meat production.
The cows are pushed well beyond what nature intended to produce enormous quantities of milk, calves are slaughtered and the cow is eventually slaughtered when milk output slows. |
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It may well be true that British pigs have never had it so good, but the bacon sandwich many people tuck into could well come from pigs kept like those in the photo above.
While you can buy meat at the butcher's counter that is British (although I've noticed several English people buying from the Halal butcher's next door) most of the pre packed which the majority buy from the shelves, as opposed to going to the butcher's counter, says produced in the UK from EU meat, so they could well be buying from countries who are flouting the sow stall ban. |
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and there were 6 such countries a couple of years ago.
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all deceitful packaging kennyman
 good points foinavon ..dairy is a bad one which is why we veggies are in NO position to lecture ...vegans have the upper hand in that situation def ... the prob with the hard core vegans was them having a go at meat eating folk on any rights protest ...it was a tricky one as you want the numbers and fave general public opinion not just 'fanatics' on board eating meat isn't a natural grumble of mine tbf ,it's the method of production ..and i don't think EU meat or milk for that matter is good from a welfare angle .... there have been massive improvements over the years in the UK ... |
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I'm not really big on eating meat eating, I can take it or leave it, and pork/bacon is certainly not a favourite of mine. Trouble is that there are are so many people in the world and the only way to cater for so many is intensive farming. It's a tough one to call.
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Kenny, I recall seeing documentaries of live animals being exported to Europe and wasn't an activist accidentally killed during a protest? (maybe your memory is better than mine on that score).
Perhaps this is an area to be looked at when we leave the single market next year? |
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Foinavon - I think that was the continental veal trade in calves - our bull calves (by-product of the dairy industry) were exported to mainland Europe to satisfy the market for (crated) veal. This probably still goes on a bit, but with the popularity and wide acceptance of rose veal, most bull calves are raised for this purpose, either by the dairy farmers themselves, or through UK specialists.
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Thanks for that, Blackbarn. There was something in the back of my mind about this which was bothering me.
Cross-border trade in live animals is obviously allowed by EU regulations, this could be changed when we take back control of our laws in this area. |
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http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/news/eat-british-veal-with-a-clear-conscience-says-rspca-899778.html
Dating from 2008 but relevant to the debate. I will add that rose veal is absolutely delicious, and if you drink milk it is almost obligatory. |
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Agree with that. Supermarkets, though don't seem to stock veal (not that I've noticed) yet they all have a whole aisle of dairy products. Perhaps there ought to be a requirement for all sellers of dairy to put veal on offer.
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"It's veally good" "Ze veal is goodt"
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Foinavon - nearly all supermarkets hereabouts sell rose veal I think. Well Waitrose, Sainsburys, Tesco and M+S do. There could be regional differences but can't think why. Plenty of dairy herds oop north and in Scotland
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I'll take a closer look this week.
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Do we export veal? Must have plenty spare. I think there was a ban by importing countries, but that's besides my point/question.
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Someone will know, but not sure the UK has ever exported much "veal" other than in calf form. We have never really gone for that pale veal so loved on the continent and quite rightly we generally now abhor the methods of producing it.
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ok, thanks. Was just thinking if it was exported, would destroy all the ethical claims.
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Sometimes Kenny, you just can't find what you hope to find.
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as Bono said. lol
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