should there be another brexit vote.?

in other words a vote on should there be another vote.

best of 3 or first to 6 ?

Let's completely undermine democracy as we know it and turn the country into a banana republic by voting again; as those who were defeated have only just finished collecting the toys that they threw out the pram.

they could wait until the deal is struck and then put it to the people of the UK to have the final say.
i really think the politicians did not explain the last vote correctly to the people,and most people did not realise how big an impact a leave vote would result in.
everyone is arguing and nobody really knows how serious this leave vote could change their lives .
imvho.

nobody gives two hoots about democracy if they lose their employment.And that could happen.
and when its all sorted out all the politicians will be long gone living in their second homes in France or Spain.
leaving the people to pick up the pieces,if all goes pear shaped.

......I have an inkling you voted 'remain'

How was that campaign any different to a General Election? Do you think most of the electorate bother to read party manifestos?

The nation has spoken. So stop being so dramatic; just deal with it and stop bellyaching.

If, as you say Brassie, lots never understood what leaving meant maybe we should give people IQ tests and only allow those with an above the average mark the right to vote.

Could we not "reorbit" the moon, make it part of the EU, and put remoaners on it?

hi JC, i am just saying that i think the people of the UK should have the final say on the deal that is struck,because they voted for something before they seen what it means.
nobody knows yet what it will be,and i think the people are entitled to be the people who decide if they like it or not.
i think the usa have already claimed mars as their own when they landed spirit and opportunity.

I disagree Brassie, the politicians did tell us what would happen, remember Osbourne, he told us a leave vote would result in a collapse in house prices, the economy falling off a cliff, 10's of thousand of job losses. Boris told us we would regain control of our border's, our money, our laws and be free to trade with the world. I felt fully informed and voted accordingly.

i dont care,i dont live in the uk anymore,and i can go to one of my villas in the south of France if i wish,i am just standing up for the UK people,and all i say is that they should have the final say when they strike the deal,otherwise the politicians will decide themselves,and look after themselves.

BF can only go up to 1,000-1 that you would feel the same way if the vote was to 'remain' that you would request a 2nd vote. Just to be sure the nation actually knew what they were voting for Brassneck.

Of course democracy would have been very virtuous in such an instance and we could all pretend that all is well in the world........

osbourne never said the the whole financial city of London would move to Paris,and that is possible.

Brassneck; are you Lilly Allen per chance??!!

uk people have spoken and decide to fack off

as you have in your Villa

i think there is a lot of red herrings on the news to keep everyone talking while something super big is going on in smoke filled rooms about brexit that the public are not been told and it will come out in the wash when it have been signed in europe.Then the cat will be let out of the bag,but thats my own opinion.And it will be a big big cat.

And everyone will say"nobody told me about the cat,i would have voted to stay if i had of known about the cat"

oui c'est vrais mais tu es la grande chat

An cait mor ins an mala mor.

An cait mor ins an mala mor=big cat in big bag.

Macron- Il avez vous n'est ca pas ! Il vousdrez La chat avec La Tempos

Mon dieu.

Brassy, we all received a glossy pamphlet through the door well before the referendum telling us what would happen should we vote leave. Take a look at this and see if it rings any bells if you were in the UK at the time.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/why-the-government-believes-that-voting-to-remain-in-the-european-union-is-the-best-decision-for-the-uk/why-the-government-believes-that-voting-to-remain-in-the-european-union-is-the-best-decision-for-the-uk#fn:32
After reading that patronisingly biased piece of propaganda and listening to Osborne telling us he would have to implement an emergency budget to save the economy if we vote leave and hearing similar coercion from Obama and the Governor of the Bank of England, a majority still voted leave by a margin of more than a million.

We knew what we were voting for, we more than knew the risks so there is no excuse for the government not getting on with it. No second vote needed.

The remain vote was never just about staying in. What it really meant was going further in: Full integration.

Yes....I could not be be bothered to vote because i thought it was a forgone conclusion.....Never in a Million Years did i think the leavers would Win.

Yes, the second referendum makes much more sense than the first.

Democracy did not end on June24 2016, and the Brexiteers "Stop All The Clocks" strategy shows how frightened they are; but the country cannot really get past it until we vote on terms we know about.

Let's see what's on the table in March next year and decide.

Bring it on.

If you don't use your democratic right to vote you cannot complain about the outcome and want another one because you are unhappy about the outcome.

We all knew it was a vote to leave or remain in the EU. We voted out. So let's just get on with it and stop the pretence of a democracy by calling for another!

No matter what camp I was in the result would have been accepted without the clamour to 'do it again.'

'Stop the clocks............??!!' On the contrary; the will of the nation has spoken so just make it happen.

I haven't read the comments but how the economy is doing right now and the promise it is showing, what's to change?
HELL! We might even pass a law or three.

"If a democracy cannot change its mind, it is not a democracy."

Democracy = rule of the majority.

Majority said 'sod off EU.'

With a relatively seamless transition thus far I think the result would be an even more resounding 'out' vote if anything.

Not that it matters. The die is cast and the deal will be done.

I eagerly await misshapen bananas!

And then we'll have best of three perhaps. If a democracy can't............... Oh whatever.

And wonky turnips. Bring it on.

I bet you do, Charwell.

Now then unbi.

And broken biscuits. Actually, I think you can get those.

Jan 26, 2018 -- 12:59PM, McCoy Carp wrote:

And broken biscuits. Actually, I think you can get those.

In pounds and ounces?

Chocolate Fingers perhaps, Charwell.

Sour grapes?

but if everyone knew what they were voting for why did the shoot themselves in the foot,ruin their country,loss of tens of thousands of jobs, a mother and father of a recession and a possible famine,sending parts of the UK back to the 19 th century,and breaking up with Scotland.of course thats only my opinion but i have been known to be correct from time to time,and further still ,if the UK people who voted leave  knew the pitfalls that are about to occur why did they take the massive risk when we all know it will take 10 to 15 years to get a trade deal someone else.thats 15 long years of deep recession,unemployment,and shortage of goods and services.

No way brassneck. Do you think that past trade deals were done as a favour to good old blighty? Countries trade with us because the business is good. DEAL with it.

it took 11 years for europe to get a trade deal with canada and they are the best of friends.
and another point the english government this week put a cap on the number people entering the UK .the cap is full.
so if it is full now and nobody can enter without a work visa,that means no more footballers can come to the UK to work.
so it has started already,while the FA Remain tight lipped about the whole situation.

'We're not morons': Brexit divisions harden across Britain


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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/26/uk-brexit-voters-mansfield-bristol-torbay-leeds-post-referendum

Brassy, why are you spouting all that project fear propaganda when you don't even live here?
Most of their lies have been debunked already.
We don't have to have a trade deal in order to trade, we already trade with most of the world despite being in the protectionist European Union. After leaving we can trade under WTO rules which would mean cheaper food and clothing. It might not please Irish and French food producers, they will just have to adjust to the new reality.

who will you trade with.?
usa=in 10 years time
canada=15 years time
austraila=serious transport costs
scandinavia=shortage of products.
russia=they will be cutting your gas supply next winter.
ireland =in bigger trouble than yourselves
third world countries =yes,but poor quality stuff .cheep yes but will cause more unemployment
germany =own you trains and will privatise your transport and increase all round prices.
British gas is not owned by the uk.
this is my opinion its not propaganda.
IF things go as i expect the fat cats of germany will introduce vulture fund companies that will buy all your assets at knock down prices.
it will be a long tough road with mass emigration (and where are you going to emigrate to?)

it you dont get a deal with europe you are in big big trouble,of course i am told that everyone knew this before they voted.
so its my opinion  that its all bull and the UK Will still trade with europe ,and still stay in the customs union in other words they will pretend that they left the EU and carry on trading telling all that they got a good deal.

Brassie we currently import more goods than we export in the EU SM.
Do you really think that all or most of that trade will stop?
Don't you also think that if they impose unreasonable tariffs we will do likewise?

We trade with all of those countries now and more. We have been eating South American and Australasian meat since before I were a lad and that's a long time ago. Are they poor quality? I've had some tough Irish steak I can tell you. I see people buying NZ lamb butter and cheese and Brazilian corned beef every time I go to the supermarket. They wouldn't buy it if they were unhappy with it.
The fat cats of Germany own Europe already and look what they are doing with it. I assume you are living in Ireland at the moment, how is the building industry doing? Are you happy with the level of youth employment? I hope that Germany has been treating you well since 2008.

i am only giving an opinion,the best thing for the UK is that the rep.of ireland pull out,than France will follow,and maybe Spain,this would be good enough for the Eu to break up.
but Europe will not give the UK  easy exit because other countries will follow.WE will all have to wait and see what happens,but dont be kidding yourselves ,it will be very very difficult for the UK to go it alone, and then
you will have scotland looking to get back into europe,And all you will have is the word of Donald Trump who says he will give you a trade deal in 10 years time at best.

ireland is bolloxed but the rich are doing well(we are lucky to have made it before this brexit),but germany are buying up all the bad debt .
but ireland is the fastest growing economy in europe at the moment.but they let all the big giant companies come to ireland and give them big government grants to create employment.
But ireland can still trade with europe as a member,when the UK leave (if)ireland will get a lot of the UK businesses that want to trade with europe,but on the other side of the coin they will be hit by the tariffs imposed by their trade with uk.some say it could be as high as 50%.so it will be swings and roundabouts,god knows how it will end.

no - let history show  may & corbyn fcuked the uk

No ! And if we live in a democracy there is No reason why we should vote again

Contrary to the MSMs narrative, people cannot have changed their minds because the outcome of negotiations are not to be publicised to the unclean electorate (as Sharia May stated)


If there is another vote then we live in a Facist state "

I'm a remainer - alot of people seemed to vote Leave as a protest vote in one of the most ill-informed campaigns of all time (from both sides). Now there is alot more information out there, people can actually make an informed vote - Farage on the night said that this referendum should not be the only one (when he thought he would lose) - cant see why the same rules shouldnt apply now the vote was to Leave

"I'm a remainer - alot of people seemed to vote Leave as a protest vote in one of the most ill-informed campaigns of all time"
No, this is what remoaners keep patronising leave voters with as the idea that the leave voters were voting in ignorance makes remoaners feel better, a lot better than "we flat out lost the argument as our argument and scare tactics failed".
Same as desperate remain voters keep coming up with 350 million on the side of a bus, which (apart from that desperate dipsh1t Boris) leave voters didn't and don't care about.

Everyone voted in ignorance - Remainers included

No they didn't   I just don't want us to be run by a foreign bureaucracy - hope this helps.

So you would have voted the way you did regardless of whether it was hugely damaging to the country (not saying that it will be)

If thats the case, your vote wasnt ignorant, but you certainly are

Translation: We tried really bad scare tactics, if you voted leave after reading the scare tactics, you are a bad person.

funny how the insults flow from the eu propagandists

I voted Remain but don't for one moment think there should be another vote - least of all now. 

FatherMaguire is right: nobody REALLY knew what they were going to get, since there was so much bull and bluster from both sides.  The Brexiteers were just better at it.

we voted out so frickin get us out

"the most ill-informed campaigns of all time"........

I disagree, Cameron and Osbourne spent 9million sending us leaflets, I read it and voted out...What they sent just reinforced what I already knew !

obama came over and lectured us  but there was so much foreign russian involvement ha ha   we just didn't know which way to turn as everyone and his dog from foreign countries told us how naughty we were if we voted out

what put me off was all those Spetsnaz guys hanging around looking menacing at the polling booths

INFORMED!!??   I would say we woz smothered in it.

ps and they lecture us to this day to turn round an independent country's democratic vote

From the front page of today's Guardian, it looks as if the country is warming to the idea of  a second referendum.
5000 polled, they say.

I am not surprised considering how much the eu propaganda machine has spent on trying to smash brexit and punish us for voting the wrong way.
A lovely family to belong too cough cough

the bbc hardly allows any pro brexiteers on their programmes - all helping to pile the huge bias on us wrong 'uns and intefere with a democratic vote.

WE ARE LEAVING

You are so heartless, Moisok, can't you see the poor remoaners are hurting inside?
We should organise a "hug a remainer" day so we can wipe their moist eyes and help them to forget their sorrows.
It will take time for their sadness to pass but one day they will see how right we were to leave.

Best of 3 I say. (Of course if 'Leave' win , it should be carried on until they get the right result).

snowmen like you foinavon should be flogged for having such traitorous attitudes

it will be Boris's Isle of Man retraining camp for you **** the revolution

come???!!!!!

Yes, but the first one shouldn't count as "we didn't know what we were voting for". So three more at least.

The Remain Team:

Cameron
Corbyn
Farron
Sturgeon
Osborne
May
Carney
The OBR
The IFS
The IMF
Obama
BBC
Sky
C4
ITV
Even the Archbishop of Canterbury!!

The Leave Team

Nige (led a party with 1 (one) MP)
Boris (made up his mind 6 weeks before the vote)
Gove (who?)
Daily Mail.

And they STILL lost????????!!!!!!!

It could be like soccerball and have a voting event every saturday

The real problem for the Remain camp was that they couldnt play the man not the ball - normal Conservative policy is to play an entirely negative campaign, and get their chums in Fleet Street to smear any credible opponent like they did with the Corbyn IRA nonsense in the days leading up to the election - this seems to be their main tool in elections, but one they couldn't employ here, cos although there are probably 1000s of things they could have used to drag Boris through the mud, they couldnt do it to one of their own

Total rubbish. LOL because remain was so positive, right and not horrendous scare mongering? And it was cross party, every party bar UKIP was essentialy pro remain so why attack the Tories? Well that's explained next sentence, you like Corbyn. Well any credibility goes right there, the guy is skum.

And fleet street and the media are sooooooo pro May and Boris? He's roundly ridiculed and has been for years. What planet are you on?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ako2yD8-j5k

David Cameron told us we'd got nothing to worry about if we left the EU ( Nov 2015) then predicted economic ruin and WW3 if we left.
Corbyn who had always been very anti EU said we should remain.
Is it any wonder some might not have really understood what they were voting for.

One thing they hoped they would be voting for was some control over immigration. And that lack of control was the one thing you could be sure of if we stayed in.

Just Checking, if you don't believe the mainstream media are pro-Tory we will have to disagree (the fact that the first 9 pages of the Daily Mail were mudslinging IRA garbage on the day of the election might be an indicator though) - Boris plays up to his image of the bumbling buffoon, and probably courts the publicity he gets.

As for the campaign, the Remain campaign ran an unsuccessful, almost entirely negative campaign. The difference between the Remain campaign and a Tory election campaign was that they couldnt destroy the credibility of the face of the campaign (Boris as it turned out). While Tories campaigning is extremely unpleasant, it is also sadly very effective, but without the tool of destroying the Leave leaders character, it wasnt good enough

There should never have been a referendum in the first place so I can't see the need for a second referendum. Quite obviously 'the people' should not be in charge of such an important decision. In every facet of our lives we employ experts to do things for us, whether it's going out for a meal or having work done to our homes, assessing our health or making our laws. Then for the most important decision in all our lives we think we know better. It's quite bizarre. We all know David Cameron put party before country by having a referendum (partly to bringing his party closer together and partly to try and destroy UKIP). What a mess he made.
Brexit decided by the people is quite obviously ludicrous but we have it now and have to deal with it the best way to not ruin our country. We should leave that to the politicians who whilst far from perfect have more idea than the vast majority of people out there. Unfortunately the far right, particularly the media, won't allow this to happen.

but without the tool of destroying the Leave leaders character, it wasnt good enough

Tells you all you need to know about lefties. Their arguments don't hold up to scrutiny so they rely on smear campaigns.

asparagus: 'Quite obviously 'the people' should not be in charge of such an important decision. '

Agreed, God forbid we let the people VOTE to appoint PMs, MEPs, local councillors, Plod Commissioners etc.

Tell us, which dictator do you admire most and why?

Referendum to enter, referendum to leave................simples !!!!!!!!

Jan 29, 2018 -- 12:02PM, Foinavon wrote:

but without the tool of destroying the Leave leaders character, it wasnt good enough Tells you all you need to know about lefties. Their arguments don't hold up to scrutiny so they rely on smear campaigns.

I believe this was very much meant in reference to the blatant Daily Mail/Tory smear campaign against Corbyn that FatherMaguire mentioned earlier in his post.

You may be right edy. The poster is known for his left wing views I associated his comment with that.

Ill-informed referendum is a bizarre concept.

Politicians go to the country to ask for direction and all the country can do is complain that the politicians didnt tell them what to do.

You're right Studyform.
In the case of The Sun, three stories every day for thirty years equals 40 billion uncontested messages saying one thing, "The EU is bad."
Rupert Murdoch really has done a job on this country. Of course, he doesn't want to live here, so the joke is even better.

Sun, Daily Mail, Telegraph and Daily Express are all leftgreen fascist propaganda papers.

The thing I don't get - I mean REALLY don't get is the amount of moaning done by the people who voted leave, always going on about "remoaners", or getting all irate about the opposition to their ideal when the vote was to leave anyway.
It's like they're all spoiling for an argument all the time.

I don't know what leftgreen fascist means

Left green fascist propaganda is slang that some people in Germany use (in German obviously). They're so far removed from reality that they tend to even use that term for very much conservative/liberal democrat papers like the "Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung" (Germany's biggest non-tabloid print publication).

Just Checking and your reply to it very much reminded me of it.

OK, That's interesting.

I'm sure Remainers understand that waiting 4 years (minimum) for the democratic will of the people to be acted upon is quite absurd.

It may explain our frustration.

But it hasn't changed the outcome and it isn't the doing of the people who voted remain.
It's seems a bit extreme to me to be this frustrated by it.

From years of watching and enjoying Yes Prime Minister, delays are the the tactic to stop a process from happening. Hence the frustration.

I voted to leave but the remainers will win. We won't leave. The delays will take their toll I'm afraid.