why do people eat animals?

in-vitro meat FTW

How do you know that plants don't have feelings, Brassy? Go and hug a tree immediately, our future King would approve.

The answer is simple - meat tastes nice.

There's no other reason except to make money for the producers.

eating nothing but fat , meat , fish , eggs  good salt and a few green and red veggies and mushrooms -

eating animal kills the appetite

cuts meals down to 1 per day- have had several 2 day fasts without any problems

best way to lose/ maintain weight  i've ever tried

friday - a roasted breast of lamb seasoned but nothing else

yesterday - pork joint roasted - ate crackling + 2 slices smothered in the lamb dripping

not hungry at all today so nothing so far.
eating vegetarian is bad for your (my) sugars and cholesterol

in nature cows/ buffalo are fat - he carnivores are slim

Why do animals eat people?

As the world population grows and there won't be enough protein to go around, we will soon be eating protein cakes made from ground up insects. Bad news for grasshoppers and cockroaches. I hope they will be free-range and killed humanely.

best way to lose/ maintain weight  i've ever tried

Absolutely Imfao, that's the Atkins diet.

Losing weight on the Atkins is easy.

and i'd happily eat insect burgers

They already do in some Asian countries, yummy.

Where do animals that don't eat other animals get their protein from, like horses and cattle?

I've been a vegan for a couple of years and a vegetarian for thirty-plus before that. I stopped eating meat on moral grounds, but the health benefits are considerable.

They get it from vegetation, Dr C. They have several stomachs, one for fermenting vast quantities of the stuff, the fermentation being achieved by bacteria. Our digestive system is different. We are not adapted to live on green leaves alone.

if folk could cook/taste really good veggie food they'd more likely take that option but sadly most veggie food served up in pubs and restaraunts  is awful and bland  -   you need to be a half decent cook to get it right too.

  I'm lucky that i'm happy not to require a dinner every day -i'll quite happily munch on bags of cashew nuts and spicy  falafels   ,as long as i have beer to go with it - that's my main requirement lol .

We don't need to eat animal products at all.

I eat very little meat or fish these days and like Pokermonster I feel much better for it.
Nothing to do with animal rights, I know that eating meat and fish doesn't suit me.

Pandas are a funny one Dr Crippen  as they only eat bamboo  ... there is so little in way of nutrients that they have to eat pretty much the whole damn time  - a bit like cows i guess .

that's what i was told anyway

I don't eat much meat either although I eat a small portion of either meat or fish most days. You need less food as you get older. My preferred breakfast is oatmeal porridge made with water and some fruit.

Coachbuster, Some doctor I read said there are 32 essential vitamins and minerals we're told the body needs.

Yet there's no diet that can deliver these vitamins and minerals in the amounts we supposed to be getting. 
And if we take supplements they're difficult to absorb.

A measure of the quality of the nutritional advice we get these days, can be judged from the numbers of people who are getting cancers, heart attacks, and diabetes earlier in life all the time.

You're expected to have diabetes if you're over 70. If you haven't got it at that age they think there's something wrong with you. No joke.

Yet it's all down to animal based diets according to some doctors, who are regarded as quacks for going against the consensus.

Coachbuster    21 Jan 18 16:58 
if folk could cook/taste really good veggie food they'd more likely take that option but sadly most veggie food served up in pubs and restaraunts  is awful and bland  -   you need to be a half decent cook to get it right too.



My brother is vegan, for months I have listened to him prepping/cooking/eating huge amounts of food for two or three hours a day. Not doable for most people-thank goodness- and the amount of packaging waste he produced is quite bewildering, probably 4 or 5 times my own.

saddo- he must be quite into his food to spend that amount of time prepping  ... ok for a large family etc i guess but  seems a lot of effort if just for him .... each to their own though   


where does all the packaging come from as most vegans cook from fresh or dried rather than packaged ?

Preparing good, healthy and tasty vegetarian or vegan food is quick and easy.

IF you know what you're doing Pokermonster

Totally agree Pokermonster. If I have to eat meat more than once or twice a week I feel very heavy and lethargic.

True, gentlemen. And as you say, Mr C, a good deal is simply fresh food and a few herbs or spices.

I made a lovely risotto yesterday, took me about twenty minutes including the washing up.

I'm getting on a bit now and don't eat huge portions but I'm still fourteen stone, a vegetarian or vegan diet easily provides all the nutrients a person requires to remain healthy.

Interesting interview here with Dr. T. Colin Campbell the author of the China Study.
The China study was a large project done in China which contrasted the differences in health between those who consumed animal products and those who didn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx3oNrh2b6g

Campbell says that protein is a great builder of body cells, he says it's also a great builder of cancer cells.
He puts the increase of cancer and other diseases amongst wealthy nations, down to eating meat and in particular the protein that meat contains. 

No need to tell you he's a vegetarian.

We are told the health risks of eating animal products are greatly increased by the way they are cooked.

Scorching meat like we do with steak, sausages and bacon, causes the surface to become carcinogenic.
Particularly with processed meat.

The same thing can happens with bread when we make toast.
In fact it's not a good idea to eat anything that has been burned.

Of course the authorities fearing a backlash from food manufactures tell us we're okay eating these foods in moderation. Don't fall for it, the message is clear. If you value your health simply don't eat them.

but i love a steak dr crippen.
hoe else can it be cooked to taste nice.

I can see you enjoy your food Callisto-Moon.

offical fact=a packet of sausages is more dangerous to your health than a packet of cigarettes.

All the smokers I know like to light up after a good meal, which usually contains meat.

Just to make sure.

And people are supposed to be the specious with the brains.

I don't think there are many who eat a packet of sausages every day for 50 years, Brassy. Anyone who did should expect health problems, so you could be right.

if a parent was giving their children a spoonful of arsenic a few times a week he or she would be charged with attempted murder and be put in jail,but most parents teach their children how to eat sausages with a fork and serve them at least once a week ,or have a hamburger ,and the world and its mother know that they are very very bad ,but nobody pays any attention.its not best practice yet we all see it and say nothing.

Bacon and eggs for breakfast, chicken salad sandwich for lunch with a bag of crisps and steak and stir fry veg for dinner today. I could not possibly go veggie if you paid me.

a great epitaph slippy.

I'm OK brassneck, old school me.

your taste buds get used to different food/tastes /textures  over time  so the longer you go without meat the less you seem to desire it as you explore new tastes  - a bit like making THAT move from lager to ale  ,or from sweet to savoury

although i'm certainly not saying that vegans have the higher taste - that would be wrong ,but i feel vegans do eat a wider range of food  over time , maybe frequent visits to ethnic shops  and greater  likelihood of cooking skills/cook-books

meat is a treat.

I'm not sure you can make that generalisation, coachbuster. Vegans probably do eat a wider range of vegetation than omnivores but exclude all meat, fish, egg and dairy products which run into the hundreds. Just think of all the cheeses and all the things you can make with eggs and milk for a start.

there is more choice in the dairy/meat area agreed Foinavon,but as a general rule folk don't explore that much  maybe because of cost , effort or lack of knowledge so stick to the safe meat and 2 veg  ....

first time i went to a vegan restaraunt i noticed there was a wide range of foods on offer which surprised me somewhat  but i wouldn't have the skill to replicate those dishes ...and the ones i tried were tasty .

if i went to a standard restaraunt/ pub and asked for the vegan choice i would get served the biggest pile of slop imaginable

should have added that there are also a HUGE number of vegans out there who eat 'badly'   ....  so it's an either/or situation .


nice to see a vegan winner on CMDW the other day  ..that's an achievement considering how much  grief they get from the MTV crew  (meat and two veg) 

CDWM*

The meat and two veg crew have the money behind them. That's the food manufacturers.

They'll use any tactic available to rubbish the claims or concerns of vegans.

They boldly claim that drinking cows milk promotes strong bones and teeth.
Milk contains calcium, so why shouldn't it?

Yet in a lecture here, reports conducted by the milk manufacturers to prove exactly that, fall down badly under scrutiny and seem to show the reverse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJvrlwnEqbs

there is more choice in the dairy/meat area agreed Foinavon,but as a general rule folk don't explore that much  maybe because of cost , effort or lack of knowledge so stick to the safe meat and 2 veg  ....

Agree that is often the case and a lot of people live mainly on junk food or ready meals because they can't find the time to cook.

That's a long video Dr C and I haven't watched it yet. There is a huge vested interest in the dairy industry and we have been brain-washed by commercials. Many of the products aimed at children are laced with sugar to make them more acceptable and this could be adding to potential problems down the line.
Flooding our bodies with calcium doesn't necessarily lead to healthy teeth and bones, there are other factors such as Vitamin D and we know that sugar is a major cause of tooth decay.

It's not the amount of calcium we eat that matters, it's the amount we can absorb and use that is the point.
The excuse the manufactures made for the milk study showing the opposite of what they wanted to prove in the video I gave, was that the high protein present in the skimmed milk was responsible for leeching calcium from the bodies of the women in the control group.


As regards sugar, a high sugar diet is in fact a high fat diet. There's absolutely no doubt about that, when 30% of fructose turns to fat. 
These free fatty acids then cause insulin resistance which becomes pre-stage 2 diabetes and finally Stage 2 diabetes. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckN6WM6MeJI

people too influenced by adverts - some folk need protecting from themselves  


on the vegan front i believe that all vegans will be satisfied regardless as  they haven't resorted to killing /mistreating animals to survive ...  many have found ways of making food taste good ,and even if it doesn't taste great  they will feel it's a victory anyway . 

  I have worried about the diet of some vegans though and worried about how they get ANY vitamins as their diet seems devoid of goodness ,esp those that don't eat like veggies ...although that could equally apply to carnivores

Erectile dysfunction is a problem in men caused mainly by clogged arteries.
Which is an early warning sign of a future heart attack.

Your John Thomas needs an adequate supply of blood in order to stand to attention.
All Viagra does is to open up the arteries temporally to allow it to happen.

Vegan doctors claim that when a plant-based diet without animal products is eaten, the problem of erectile dysfunction can cure itself without the need for drugs.

I'd say if true, that is pretty strong evidence of the damage that eating animal based foods is doing to us.

Love the half baked and non scientific studies peddled by the vegan propoganda puppets on here (The China Diet tripe is completely debunked in the first link below for example). Proper, scientific study shows us meat is very beneficial to our health. And, as a bonus it's the best part of any meal

http://www.healthy-holistic-living.com/top-11-biggest-lies-vegan-diets.html

https://www.authorityhealthmag.com/eating-meat-is-good-for-health/

https://naturalon.com/6-of-the-biggest-lies-most-vegans-believe-4-is-the-worst/view-all/


The key is a healthy, balanced diet (including good quality meat) and cut out over eating processed meats loaded with sugar and bad fats.

Fair enough charwell.
You believe what you want to believe.

"The key is a healthy, balanced diet (including good quality meat) and cut out over eating processed meats loaded with sugar and bad fats."

Which part of this quote is unbelievable Dr ?

I've already set out my position, you'll have to read through the thread.

What is my position by the way?

“What is my position by the way?”

Well you appear to be a very gullible and naive person who believes everything he/she watches on YouTube imho.

Now if you could give me the common courtesy of answering my specific question that would be great, if it’s beyond your intellectual capacity then that’s not a problem ‘Dr’

I see rudeness and lack of decent manners of how to address others from certain people don't get any better on here.

THEMONEYSHOT, asks for common courtisy.
Yet without any provocation, he comes on calling me gullible and naive and questioning my intellectual capacity to answer anyway.

The same applies to charwell, whose post I failed to address in detail simply because I feel there is no point in discussing stuff with people who express themselves in that way.

I could easily prove the case with a couple of posts, yet why should I give them anything?
What is about posting on here that brings out so much aggression and anger in people?

I agree about milk, it's a substance that has been heavily misadvertised. Re meat and veganism i personally don't think that natural meat is the problem. I don't think that the meat studies done use organic pasture-fed animals. Instead they use animals that are pumped full of hormones and toxins and fed food full of toxins. As such they store all of this cr*p in their flesh (and milk) which people consume. It's a bit like getting people to go for a run around Oxford Street twice a day for 5 years and then concluding that running causes lung cancer.

I'm not saying people should eat meat, not at all, but if you do, then make sure it's the right kind of meat. And if you are a vegan make sure you are getting B12, I know a lot of vegans take supplements for this.

Interesting that you know about B12 U.A.
It's obvious that you've taken more than just a passing interest in diet.

The milk study and the loss of bone density suffered by the control group in the video I submitted, is understandable if one is aware of the role that protein plays here.

Meat and animal products loaded with protein are acidic.
The kidneys don't like an acid environment so they attempt to neutralise the acid using calcium, which they pull from the bones.
This can lead to calcium deficiency and osteoporosis.
And what's the answer to this? Why of course to drink more milk which contains more calcium. Only it doesn't get absorbed.
And completely ignores the protein contained in the milk which is the real culprit.
Yet the Western diet is based on consuming large amounts of animal protein.

Oooooh I do love a good steak !
However ...I guess our reason for this is we consider them (animals) as "inferior"
So then how would we feel if Aliens ...on the same basis that we're inferior ate us ?
Maybe it's already happening..

Dr Crippen; you have misrepresented flawed study 'as fact.'

I have posted links to proper, scientific study which show the obvious shortcomings on the 'China Study' etc. You make this research sound like it was written on the back of a **** packet with an off hand, pompous retort; when the opposite is true. Unlike the biased propaganda you have swallowed which contains little to zero credibility.

Vitamin B12 is onLy found in meat products. Taking supplements for this is questionable as the body struggles to absorb any vitamins via supplements.

If you choose to be vegan then that is your prerogative. However, your moral crusade with it's half baked theories is rather difficult to swallow.

Oh, Dr please be aware that animal proteins are complete; unlike plant proteins. BOTTOM LINE:
Animal foods are the highest quality protein sources. Plant sources lack one or more amino acids, which makes it more difficult to get all the amino acids that your body needs.

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/animal-vs-plant-protein

I have posted links to proper, scientific study

No you haven't you've simply offered magazine type on-line articles about eating food.

The second link that promotes meat eating shows a young girl eating a piece of scorched meat, which flies in the face of even conventional wisdom about the dangers of eating burned protein.
They don't seem to be aware of the obvious dangers let alone the more far-reaching health hazards of eating meat.
All they talk about is nutrition.

The last link again is not a study, but simply more opinion which fails to even consider the dangers in eating meat, which extensive studies such as the China Project have drawn our attention to.

That's a common trick to talk about nutritional values, instead of addressing the dangers associated with eating animal products. 

And you talk about half-baked theories, yet you can't even begin to address them.

​Long story short, the only data from The China Study that supports Thomas and Colin Campbell’s book is that conducted on rats. However, much of the findings actually disprove him. The book is completely made up so that he could line his pockets with PETA’s handouts. The fact that he had to so blatantly misrepresent his own research supports my argument that no study ever conducted suggests a vegan diet is preferential for health. NOWADAYS NO SELF RESPECTING SCIENTIST BELIEVES THIS TWADDLE.

Loads of links in this article which show the obvious flaws and selective use of data:

https://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/the-china-study-more-flaws-exposed-in-the-vegan-bible/


P.S within all my links the scientific research used is quoted and indexed in the 'magazine' type articles. These aren't from OK or Hello; but from respected health publications. They have no allegiance or axe to grind. All my articles used are recent (unlike your out of date and debunked links).

much of the findings actually disprove him

Disprove what?

Back to proper science; we know that animal protein causes the kidneys to pull calcium from our bones to neutralise the acid environment due to the acid nature of meat.
What is also well known is the waste product uric acid which is produced from digesting animal protein.
Uric acid is the primary cause of Gout. High levels of uric acid are also a very good indication of the vulnerability of someone in getting a heart attack.
Another little trick of uric acid is to inhibit the job of the enzyme responsible for lowering blood pressure.

This is all standard stuff.

So to recap; the meat eater is:
Vulnerable to calcium deficiency. (Osteoporosis)
Vulnerable to high blood pressure (Hypertension)
And far more likely to get gout than someone who doesn't eat meat and fish.

I'd say the three reasons there are enough to consider giving up meat, or at least reducing your intake dramatically, and we haven't even mentioned the three big killers diabetes, heart disease and cancer.

What is also well known is the waste product uric acid which is produced from digesting animal protein.

Amongst other things I should add. The body produces uric acid as well independent of diet.

"What is about posting on here that brings out so much aggression and anger in people?"

My guess is pompous bores like your good self.

Don't bother replying with your predictable mock outrage...I'm off to paint a wall and watch it drying, while eating a steak... 

Pomposity is when you always think your right. Arrogance is when you know...

we know that animal protein causes the kidneys to pull calcium from our bones to neutralise the acid environment due to the acid nature of meat.

That is absolute bollox:
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/is-too-much-protein-bad-for-you

All your supposed facts are myths. Science doesn't exist in myth and propaganda. Keep swallowing the flawed ramblings of ardent activists. You have willfully ignored all the proper scientific study within the articles I have linked which include the scientific source references. These include debunking the oft used and incredibly misleading 'studies' that you quote as fact verbatim.

If you want to deprive yourself of the pleasure of meat and the goodness it contains then carry on; but cease with the activism in trying to convince everybody else using 'fake facts.'

In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.

Brockville seems very angry, that's what becomes of eating too much red meat.

To be fair to charwell, he's in the grip of the food manufacturers and their propaganda machine.
Much the same as the cigarette manufactures told us that smoking wasn't harmful.

For every study there's another that shows the opposite, depending how the figures are presented or interpreted.
Lies damned lies and statistics.

I notice he's only challenged one of my examples.

What about the other two?

Here's the reply to charwell's magazine article.

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/78/3/584S.full

My source is the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition.
And you can't get better than that.

First line:

High dietary protein intakes are known to increase urinary calcium excretion and, if maintained, will result in sustained hypercalciuria.

Looks like the first set goes to me - two to go.

We eat animals because if we didnt we would forever be walking through animal sh1t

It's a shame you read the first line and not the complete article as it goes against what you are saying and supports me

High dietary protein intakes are known to increase urinary calcium excretion and, if maintained, will result in sustained hypercalciuria. To date, the majority of calcium balance studies in humans have not detected an effect of dietary protein on intestinal calcium absorption or serum parathyroid hormone. Therefore, it is commonly concluded that the source of the excess urinary calcium is increased bone resorption. Recent studies from our laboratory indicate that alterations in dietary protein can, in fact, profoundly affect intestinal calcium absorption. In short-term dietary trials in healthy adults, we fixed calcium intake at 20 mmol/d while dietary protein was increased from 0.7 to 2.1 g/kg. Increasing dietary protein induced hypercalciuria in 20 women [from 3.4 +/- 0.3 ( +/- SE) during the low-protein to 5.4 +/- 0.4 mmol/d during the high-protein diet]. The increased dietary protein was accompanied by a significant increase in intestinal calcium absorption from 18.4 +/- 1.3% to 26.3 +/- 1.5% (as determined by dual stable isotopic methodology). Dietary protein intakes at and below 0.8 g/kg were associated with a probable reduction in intestinal calcium absorption sufficient to cause secondary hyperparathyroidism. The long-term consequences of these low-protein diet-induced changes in mineral metabolism are not known, but the diet could be detrimental to skeletal health. Of concern are several recent epidemiologic studies that demonstrate reduced bone density and increased rates of bone loss in individuals habitually consuming low-protein diets. Studies are needed to determine whether low protein intakes directly affect rates of bone resorption, bone formation, or both.


I simply couldn't be bothered to highlight the glaring factual errors of your other myths represented as facts; as the answers are in my earlier links. You can lead a horse to water...............

I make that GSM.

Dr Charwell wins v Pompous Quack 6-0, 6-0, 6-0.

My work here is done.

Dr Charwell.

Increasing dietary protein induced hypercalciuria in 20 women [from 3.4 +/- 0.3 ( +/- SE) during the low-protein to 5.4 +/- 0.4 mmol/d during the high-protein diet].

Why didn't you highlight that bit?

You're getting confused - the first line of the message is the one you should read if the rest is beyond you.

I'm afraid comprehension of the written word is your handicap charwell.

I have to admit to having a sirloin wing rib today.
And I loved every bite.

You're clearly a bit thick Crippen so I will spell it out for you in very simple terms.

The article is stating that increasing protein actually helps with calcium intake and those on a low protein diet (i.e vegetarians)can suffer from reduced bone density and increased rates of bone loss. Meat products are complete proteins and vegetable proteins aren't.

You are twisting and turning like a twisty turny thing. I think any sensible person can read the thread in its entirety and can draw their own conclusions. I will let you scrabble on your hands and knees trying to find the lost pieces of your jigsaw as I am done with you squire.

P.S I made some most enjoyable spicy chicken livers tonight:
Livers are loaded with iron to give you energy and a treasure trove of certain B vitamins, most notably B12. This nutritional profile makes them a good choice for anyone prone to anaemia. Chicken livers are also one of the top sources of vitamin A, which helps eye health.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/mar/02/good-for-you-chicken-livers

Charwell's lack of comprehension is startling.

The first line of the article spells it out:

High dietary protein intakes are known to increase urinary calcium excretion and, if maintained, will result in sustained hypercalciuria

Yet he prefers to misunderstand the rest of the article, which simply explains how the first line was arrived at.

Watch that liver intake by the way, it will give you gout if you're not careful.

That's seen charwell off.

So following on from.

1. Excessive protein intake leads to calcium deficiency as stated in the article, which comes from a source with impeccable credentials.
2. Animal protein intake leads to increased uric acid, (no dispute over that.)
Which can cause high blood pressure and gout.

Here's something else to chew on (sorry) If you haven't already got high blood pressure, gout, osteoporosis or hypercalciuria, from eating your delicious meat and animal products.

People should cut back on red and processed meat to reduce their risk of getting cancer, the government says.
New advice recommends eating no more than 70g a day - equivalent to three rashers of bacon or two sausages.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12571576

We evolved as omnivores so it is sensible to include some animal protein in the diet. It doesn't have to be from the carcass of a mammal.
In the West and richer countries, we probably eat far too much meat and dairy potentially leading to health problems especially in view of the additives and preservatives that are incorporated in processed meats.

There's no doubt that as a nation gets richer it's health gets poorer.

And we are not being told the truth regarding the effects of diet on our health.
The only advice we're likely to get from GPs is to lose weight and eat a balanced diet. Which is what their masters have told them to tell us.

It's up to people how they treat the information that's out there.
They can live their lives eating everything that is put in front of them and suffer appalling health as they age, or listen to the torrent of advice that's telling them to abandon animal products and sugar.

What's most disturbing is that plenty of this knowledge has been around for decades.
We can thank the internet and a few honest doctors for bringing it to the public's attention.
Because if we wait for the drug companies and food manufactures to tell us the truth we'll be in for a long wait.

My work here is done.

Dr Charwell.



Thinly disguised, I'm getting a pasting, I'm outa here. lol

Interesting three-page spread in the Mail today for those who take their health seriously, written by Dr Michael Gregor about the plant based diet.
Converts to a plant based diet will probably be familiar with the teachings of Dr Gregor.
Here they claim 90% reduction in diabetes from eating the diet.
80% less chance of a heart attack etc.

It's strange that Dr Gregor who is a strong opponent of eating animal products doesn't appear to mention this here.
Is that is an indication of the power that food manufacturers have over the media in trying to conceal the deleterious nature of their products?   
And the pharmaceutical industry in keeping us all sick so they can sell their drugs?

I can tell you now that to achieve the health claims, you would have to eliminate all animal products from your diet.
Which is the where the massive gains in longer-term health really come from.

Dr C you mention that excessive protein intake leads to calcium deficiency, but excessive anything isn't good for you. Drinking excessive amounts of water isn't good for you but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't drink any water. There is a difference between too much of something being bad for you and any amount of something (like cigarettes) being bad for you.

Do you believe that any amount of any animal product is bad for you, or just that people in general have too much of it? 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3572016/
I did find this link above that found that for both men and women the highest serum concentrations of uric acid were found in vegans. My point is that there is a torrent of conflicting advice on lots of different food so it isn't as easy as you say to go "yes that's good for me" or "no i should avoid that".

I think the trouble is that a food that is beneficial for one person may be detrimental for another so it's hard to give blanket advice unless you feel that there is no beneficial affect at all from that food.

I personally feel that there are some beneficial effects for some people from animal products (not excessive amounts of course!!), especially if you include things like bone broth and Manuka honey. As long as it is high quality animal products of course.

I'd also include gluten as well in your foods that you dislike. It can have a horrible effect on the gut.

The moral argument for not eating meat is different and is something for each individual to decide.

U.A.
That's quite an extraordinary study because it fails to mention when the uric acid reading were taken such as after fasting, or how they were taken. Such as at a hospital or with a self tester.

All the readings are within the normal range. They all seem remarkably healthy.

Nevertheless I  won't dispute their findings.

In fact I'll endorse them, because the reason is obvious.

Vegans usually eat large amounts of fruit.
Fruit is loaded with fructose (sugar) a waste product of fructose is uric acid.

In fact the standard advice for gout sufferers (or should be if the doctor knows his business) is to get the sugar out of your diet and cut right back on the meat and fish.