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By:
Kit-Kat-Dan
When: 08 Mar 18 13:23
I wonder how/if stewart b got on with his one month challenge on this. He said he'd post his progress in January come what may and I, for one, feel sadly let down by his lack of updates. Maybe I should just get out more.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 08 Mar 18 13:39
Some people find that intermittent fasting works, as already stated on here.

Our bodies switch to fat burning once our glycogen reserves have been used up during sleep. So you keep the fat burning going after you get up by delaying your intake of food.
A typical 16/8 intermittent fast would simply be no food after 8 at night until noon next day.
Just eat during the 8 hours in between.
There's no rush, you can start from eating normally, to not eating until you've been up an hour the first week, then two hours the second and so on
That way you won't even realise you're doing it until the weight starts coming off.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 08 Mar 18 18:18
Even better - get the fasting bit done before you go to bed rather than after.

Eating anything within 3 hours of going to bed simply doesn't get metabolized - your body will have switched off before the food's digested. And if you make sure you take the dog for its evening walk after you've eaten dinner, all the better. And then nothing else until breakfast.

As Crippen says: no biscuits, cakes, sweets, choc bars. Cocoa itself is all right - just add a little bit of sugar to your drink - but none of those jars of drinking chocolate, which are basically just chocolate-flavoured sugar.

Plenty of animal fats, so you don't feel hungry, and plenty of veg, so you feel healthy.

Not learning to drive helps too.
By:
kevinglass
When: 08 Mar 18 19:39
"Eating anything within 3 hours of going to bed simply doesn't get metabolized - your body will have switched off before the food's digested".

That's simply not true.

When you go to sleep your body is not "switched off", it's still keeping all your vital functions going, and burning energy. No different than sitting in front of the telly after your tea at 6 o'clock.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 08 Mar 18 20:06
Correct kevinglass.
By:
betting_masta
When: 18 Mar 18 05:34

Mar 8, 2018 -- 6:18PM, screaming from beneaththewaves wrote:


Even better - get the fasting bit done before you go to bed rather than after. Eating anything within 3 hours of going to bed simply doesn't get metabolized - your body will have switched off before the food's digested. And if you make sure you take the dog for its evening walk after you've eaten dinner, all the better. And then nothing else until breakfast.As Crippen says: no biscuits, cakes, sweets, choc bars. Cocoa itself is all right - just add a little bit of sugar to your drink - but none of those jars of drinking chocolate, which are basically just chocolate-flavoured sugar.Plenty of animal fats, so you don't feel hungry, and plenty of veg, so you feel healthy.Not learning to drive helps too.


what on earth are you talking about

By:
ericster
When: 18 Mar 18 10:49
Without going through the commemts;

I think that a great many of us are so brain-washed by the pattern and practice  of breakfast, lunch, dinner regime that we DO eat un-necessarily. Not so long ago I had to have one of those fasting blood tests which meant not eat for at least 12 hours beforehand. I was dreading it but it didn't bother me. We think that we must eat heartily to sustain us through the working day but I DO think that snacking, or grazing as it is known, is far healthier. Just don't snack on junk-foods.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 18 Mar 18 11:57
Very true ericster, the idea that we must eat three square meals a day is boloney.

When we lived in caves we'd eat when we could and put on fat. Then when food wasn't available our bodies would switch to burning this fat.

When this happened we weren't weakened by it, in fact the condition made us sharper so that we were in a better state to find more food to eat. We could go for many days like this before the lack of food started to take its toll

That's why students sometimes go without food a day or so before a big exam, because they know it sharpens them up.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 18 Mar 18 12:06
One downside with fasting is if you suffer headaches or migraines.

Going without food is well known amongst specialist doctors in this field to precipitate an attack.

This is due to the withdrawal from the offending food or foods that cause the attacks.

It also serves as confirmation that your headaches are being caused by food intolerance.
By:
Injera
When: 18 Mar 18 12:41
Just a word on 'official advice'.

We're told if you burn more calories than you consume you lose weight.

I've found this to be untrue. As is the myth (imo) that regular exercise leads to weight loss.

Last week I only ate in the evening for 5 days. I did have homemade juice for brekky on 3 days: Banana and blackberry. Nothing else added.

I have a physical job. On tuesday for example I was digging for 3 hours or so, did some other lighter work then walked for 4.2 miles on the Downs.

I rarely eat lunch anyway so missing brekky as well is not really a chore. I was not uncomfortably hungry by evening. By the end of the week I had lost less than a pound.

I reckon eating less and taking regular exercise makes the body recalibrate.n Metabolism slows.

It becomes more efficient at using what you do eat. It also becomes fitter and learns to use less energy during exercise. It's like a car in 6th gear doing 70mph on a motorway. It's cruising.

I tried Escapee's diet once and lost a few pounds but they didn't stay off for long. My body just readjusted.

ericster - you're most probably right. I never snack but perhaps we're designed that way. Say 5 or 6 healthy snacks during the day might reduce weight.
By:
Injera
When: 18 Mar 18 12:56
Just to add - many diets feature people who lose significant weight over a 6-12 week period. We rarely hear what happens to them after that!

I reckon the body will shed weight on many diets but then recalibrate and then the weight will either plateau or rise.

It's why the diet industry is worth billions.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 18 Mar 18 13:03
I agree with most of that as well Injera.

What has to be remembered, is that until we have used up our store of glucose as fuel, we don't burn fat.

Fat and glucose are not used as fuel at the same time.
Until our store of glucose in the liver has been used up fat burning does not take place.

When we eat, the carbs and some of the protein are turned to glucose, while the fat in the food goes straight into our fat reserves.
And that's where it stays until we run out of glucose.

From that you can see that simply reducing calorie intake won't cut it. You really have to reduce the carbs in order to get your body into fat burning mode.

You can however take a short cut to fat burning by changing your diet to fat burning most the time.
Just keep the carbs to a minimum.  And eat mostly fat.

80%fat
10% protein
10%carbs

That's the easiest way to lose weight.
By:
Injera
When: 18 Mar 18 14:29
Thanks Dr C.

I eat few carbs. Occasional rice, very little bread, no potatoes. I'll watch some of that video you posted earlier and see I can understand more abou the liver's role.
By:
ericster
When: 18 Mar 18 14:41
Injera,

when I'm not working, there are no meal times and there is no bed or get up time.
I eat as and when I feel like it. I go to sleep when I'm tired and I get up... whenever.

It seems to work for me.
By:
ericster
When: 18 Mar 18 14:43
Also, I don't eat to fill myself up, as it is known.
I eat until I am no longer hungry.

There IS  difference.
By:
ericster
When: 18 Mar 18 14:49
As for fasting to sharpen the senses, I didn't know/hadn't thought about  that.

I can see how that might work though.
By:
Injera
When: 18 Mar 18 14:51
Good stuff ericster. I think eating slowly and limiting portions is a good idea.
By:
ericster
When: 18 Mar 18 14:55
Eat to replenish.
By:
ericster
When: 18 Mar 18 15:03
Replenish, a wrong choice of words.

Refresh perhaps.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 18 Mar 18 15:29
A good start is to eliminate sugar from our diets.
30% of fructose goes straight to fat.
Sugar is addictive and keeps us eating long after we've eaten enough.
Surprisingly, although sugar is often blamed for causing diabetes, digesting fructose doesn't trigger insulin.
It's the fatty acids derived from the fructose which cause insulin resistance, along with LDL cholesterol. And subsequently the higher levels of insulin when we eat carbs.

Sugar is bad news for our bodies whichever way we look at it.
By:
Injera
When: 18 Mar 18 15:34
What about sugar in fruit?
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 18 Mar 18 16:13
Sugar in fruit is fructose.
Beet or cane sugar is sucrose. That's half glucose and half fructose.

Some tell us the fibre in fruit makes up for the sugar.

Yet the Atkins diet forbids eating fruit as far as I understand.
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