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By:
akabula
When: 01 Dec 17 22:26
The ex coppers at one stage said they couldn't be certain it was him.
By:
dustybin
When: 01 Dec 17 22:43
....and that it was on a computer of his (actually two including the laptop) while he was signed in and between emails sent by him to other people.

What gets me is the fact those of us who don’t know use proper vernacular, like ‘if’ since we can’t possibly know, yet his supports say ‘he didnt’
How can they possibly know this, are they party to the evidence?

People are also being very convenient with the allegations of smear.
Do those suggesting this is a dirty trick against him not remember why they took his computers in the first place?
They took them because of leaks of confidential information against the last government and his office was believed to be involved.....it ended with a junior member of his team being fired I believe.
Err um.
By:
dustybin
When: 01 Dec 17 22:59
It’s not clear from the reporting who the ‘official’ who was sacked was in relation to Green, but I understand it was Green who released the document.
By:
xmoneyx
When: 02 Dec 17 00:53
I just looked at 1000 porn images without ****

if I was at work I'd have to lock the door , an put calls on hold
By:
BrendanScrote
When: 02 Dec 17 07:32
I just hope they have a decent connection ... I would hate to think of my elected representative having to watch a thick wad of juice flying through the air towards  pretty face like he was watching it through a stroboscope
By:
Lee Ho Fooks
When: 02 Dec 17 10:26
Too many smokescreens here, can't the disclosure can be looked at as a matter of course? Isn't the main issue integrity especially from someone in such a senior position? Green calls allegations "categorically untrue" and now his integrity has been questioned.
By:
Just Checking
When: 02 Dec 17 13:05
The "issue here" is (if it's true) people given powers to grab someones computer for one reason, finding legal stuff on it but legal stuff that's a bit "dirty", having a big fall out with that person, then a decade later going to the media to talk about they dirty stuff to try and smear and bring down the person they fell out with. When it can't be "proved" to be untrue so the mud will stick. Even the left wing press are seeing and saying that, senior ex people are saying that, even if some chit chatters obviosuly can't!

If this was a politician of any party I'd feel the same way. Anyone with any sense must see what is dangerous and wrong here.

The second issue is the way the BBC are so obviously trying to manipulate events, this, "man might have surfed some legal pron at work 10 years ago" got about 5 minutes coverage last night, as part of their campaign to weaken May and stop/weaken Brexit. The arrogant BBC have lost it, it's only a couple weeks since they went completely over the top on that tax leak trying deliberately to damage people and royalty, just because they can.
By:
Lee Ho Fooks
When: 02 Dec 17 13:53
Anyone with any sense must see that there's more than one issue, each to be resolved individually no matter how much noise is made to deflect away from the one that doesn't suit
By:
dustybin
When: 02 Dec 17 13:56
If its not true, sue.
Just like Johnathon Aitken did.

If it falls to me to start a fight to cut out the cancer of bent and twisted journalism in our country with the simple sword of truth and the trusty shield of British fair play, so be it. I am ready for the fight. The fight against falsehood and those who peddle it. My fight begins today. Thank you and good afternoon.

The people have a right to know how those in office behave, without a contrived barrier and implicit dealings.
By:
dustybin
When: 02 Dec 17 13:56
Jonathan
By:
Injera
When: 02 Dec 17 14:24
It seems most weeks people are crying to the media and ruining peoples' careers.

All quite immature, pathetic and should be illegal.
By:
dustybin
When: 02 Dec 17 14:38
This is just another tier of the division between those who seek power over others being in another place of privilidge and why the people can not relate to them in parliament.
The ordinary person would have been out on their ear if this were true, yet the crying fowl is about the process undertaken in this case.

The protocol deems the commission would determine the outcome....MPs marking their own homework.
As Ive said Ive no idea regarding guilt, but this isnt actually about one person, this is about the instiution.
By:
dustybin
When: 02 Dec 17 14:39
foul
By:
dustybin
When: 02 Dec 17 14:39
institution
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 02 Dec 17 15:34
Tories want the Snoopers Charter allowing all sorts of agencies access to everyone's internet browsing history.

Unless this policeman is brought to justice for leaking this information how can anyone be sure their own private legal but potentially embarrassing browsing habits will not be revealed?

The potential for blackmail is huge.
By:
lfc1971
When: 02 Dec 17 16:25
The ex policeman should serve time in jail for what he has done
By:
1st time poster
When: 02 Dec 17 16:33
watching near the knuckle porn on a works computer, in works time at the taxpayers expense,whilst hinting at sexual relationship in a return for a job ,for a young journo ,might not be illegal ,but if true sure as hell shouldnt let you within a million miles of Westminster,however the info was aquire
By:
lfc1971
When: 02 Dec 17 16:44
aren't men terrible ?
By:
lfc1971
When: 02 Dec 17 16:48
It's ok , I don't care what he hinted to the journalist as long as she was over 18 or what he looked at on his computer as long as it was legal it has nothing to do with us
By:
1st time poster
When: 02 Dec 17 16:57
theres countless celebs who,ve lost their jobs.been suspended lately for far less might give you an argument, even 2 suicides
By:
lfc1971
When: 02 Dec 17 17:00
exactly , that's true
The whole thing is becoming ridiculous and completely mad
Ok heshouldn't have been looking at porn , if he was
A small word to would have been enough and that should have been the end of it
By:
1st time poster
When: 02 Dec 17 17:07
that's the point he lied about point 1,so probably lied about 2 and 3,as they say its never the initial offence but the cover up,s lies that gets them in the end
no 2 to the pm is potentially a serial liar when his backs against the wall
By:
portmanpark
When: 02 Dec 17 17:13
he will go sooner rather later
By:
lfc1971
When: 02 Dec 17 17:20
Well it's no wonder that this country is a shambles when we are worrying about this sort of nonsense
By:
lfc1971
When: 02 Dec 17 17:22
Did he tell lies to the pm , so what she is telling lies also , I tell lies elsewhere
not here in front of myself
By:
lfc1971
When: 02 Dec 17 17:24
it's the nature of the lie that is important , if someone  asks do you watch porn tell them no
What's wrong with that ?
By:
lfc1971
When: 02 Dec 17 17:27
Anyone sensible if they didn't want you to tell lies shouldn't ask you the question
By:
Just Checking
When: 02 Dec 17 17:30
And yes the post above about how with vast powers for everyone and their dog to trawl through everyone's internet history the scope for abuse and blackmail and political misuse is so huge it could reach the moon to allow us to climb up and inspect the footprints of Apollo missions! I thought that long before this as it's obvious. You give people big power there is scope to abuse this. It's the exact situation we're talking about here, but the guy wanting to hurt someone doesn't even need to leave their office.
By:
dustybin
When: 02 Dec 17 17:40
JC
They will look back in a couple of generations and refer to 2016 as the date liberty died, because that was the time the bill was passed that will get amended in future as algorithms and machine learning is added so that data raping systems turn the humans into commodities. It will go down in history.
All the while those tasked with deciding the fate of others are themselves immune to scrutiny and have a dictum of self regulation.

Before the expenses scandal it was common knowledge that MPs claimed to excess as part of the perks of the job. The MPs had ample opportunity to bring their own actions into account but they never did...until the public decided it was too much.
If it wasnt for public opinion MPs would still be claiming egregious expenses.

I for one dont have anything against DG any more than any other individual who play politic to manipulate an outcome, they are all machiavellian, but where else can the public opinion be canvassed as to the acceptability of the actions of those in power unless light is shone on those that are tasked to decide on our behalf?
By:
Just Checking
When: 02 Dec 17 17:52
I'm against the snooper charter unless it has huge controls, e.g. data is very securely held and only a court order is allowed to access it. But that will never happen so you'll just have, as has happened before, things like journalists paying people to get dirt on people, and so on. And anyway, the bad guys will just work round it so it'll just be used to harass people.

It's a huge disaster just waiting to happen, and they can't say they weren't warned.

There was an interesting program repeated the other day about a UK genius who after ww2 went to the US and was involved in what was things like early data mining. Perhaps, as you say, they might start treating their own people as the enemy .. perhaps already have.
By:
dustybin
When: 02 Dec 17 17:56
I see this as a digital doomsday event, you only need to look at the first 'smart city' in China to see what dystopian ramifications lay ahead where the state watches everything you do. So how can it be right that those who forced this upon us get to hide behind protocol thats heavily in their favour?

This isnt about left and right wing agendas, MPs on both sides supported the bill when they were given the assurances that they would be treated differently.
By:
Just Checking
When: 02 Dec 17 18:01
It's not left right as LAbour were as bad if not worse, they were the ones behind ID cards and all the snooping behind that, if anything getting Labour out has at least delayed the snooper state.
By:
dustybin
When: 02 Dec 17 18:04
Well there maybe value to that point, but its still unconscionable that the Tories fought against the communications act until they got into power and then miraculously about turned.
By:
lfc1971
When: 02 Dec 17 18:47
As it happens I think the internet is a very dangerous thing and it should be censored if possible and it can be possible as we see in China
It is becoming a great force for evil in the world today
So it is not the case that it should not be monitored and very strict censorship should apply
By:
lfc1971
When: 02 Dec 17 18:53
So I think the Internet should be changed , what can be watched on it should be censored ..
And I think that it is nobodies business this mp was or was not watching porn now
That is easy to understand .
By:
lfc1971
When: 02 Dec 17 18:58
Regulate it , stop access to violent images etc ,
If we don't then society and people will suffer and it will be almost impossible to create a free and safe and happy society
Nothing will change for good , only bad , if it continues as it is
By:
dustybin
When: 02 Dec 17 19:09
Its not about him accessing porn (if he did) its about whether he did while at work.
Theres a disparity of opinion between those who think he did and have said so and himself and his collegues who say he didnt.
Well all we are saying is let it run its course because it could be the tip of the iceberg.

either way its developing regardless of what people on here think.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 02 Dec 17 19:15
Even if he did access porn at work it would not be illegal.

The fact that an ex-policeman claimed this from evidence is a total disgrace.

We now have a situation where the likes of the food standards agency have access to internet history.

What happens if someone from there decides to leak someone's legal internet surfing habits?

With the amount of hacking and leaking going on the Snoopers Charter needs to be cancelled before the end of the Jan 18th consultation.

Write to your MPs. Do what you can folkes.
By:
Lee Ho Fooks
When: 02 Dec 17 21:24
Not one sided

A disclosure

B "categorically untrue"

both need to be looked into
By:
akabula
When: 03 Dec 17 05:50
It's impossible to prove what is being said.
If Green sticks to his story that he is not guilty where does the inquiry go?
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