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This Damian Green affair gets ever deeper and has turned from a mildly embarrassing issue into what I believe will be the next MP scandal.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42151148
Accessing legal porn in itself isn’t a crime, but if you are found to be doing it at work you would be sacked, if you are found to be doing it on the public purse while in ‘office’ then that opens up a real can of worms.
The snoopers charter aka the Communications Act was repeatedly knocked back in parliament last year on the grounds it infringed on the liberty of the public. It did however finally pass after numerous additions and changes were made that stated the MPs who were responsible for passing it.
One of those changes was the addition that MPs data couldn’t be accessed under the same process as the general public, that the PM themself had the authority to decide whether further investigation into MPs data would be allowed.
Now we know why.
All those MPs shuffling in their seats worried that their internet browsing history would get scrutinised.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42151148
Accessing legal porn in itself isn’t a crime, but if you are found to be doing it at work you would be sacked, if you are found to be doing it on the public purse while in ‘office’ then that opens up a real can of worms.
The snoopers charter aka the Communications Act was repeatedly knocked back in parliament last year on the grounds it infringed on the liberty of the public. It did however finally pass after numerous additions and changes were made that stated the MPs who were responsible for passing it.
One of those changes was the addition that MPs data couldn’t be accessed under the same process as the general public, that the PM themself had the authority to decide whether further investigation into MPs data would be allowed.
Now we know why.
All those MPs shuffling in their seats worried that their internet browsing history would get scrutinised.
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We'll have no politicians left!
But, what are the ethics of this ex-copper going to the BBC with old dirt? |
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There’s a due process if people don’t agree with it, it’s called libel / slander.
If he’s lying then sue. The problem here is it’s fine for those in authority to hide away while sacrificing the public and when the slightest stench of foul play arises they claim it’s a breach of protocol. Well that’s what whistleblowing is, and it’s the foundation of this supposed free world. |
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Is it really , this is freedom, sounds like the sort of freedom that can't be borne for long
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Is everyone at their place of work working 24 hrs a day all the time ?
sometimes I only pretend to work |
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Lfc
Do you have phantom w4nks at work? The allegations are that somebody accessed porn on Green’s computers, inside parliament behind password access, in between parliamentary duties. If it’s true then either the same scrutiny should be applied as would any worker or questions should be asked how that dirty unwashed general public manages to by pass security continually and get to the computer in question. |
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In what way is the BBC left wing exactly , it may be riddled with political correctness but in no way is it left wing or sympathetic to Socialism
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wrong thread guys sorry
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"it may be riddled with political correctness but in no way is it left wing or sympathetic to Socialism"
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So, as a copper, you get to find out all sorts of stuff that doesn't go to court and then when you hang your truncheon up, you are able to make lots of money by keeping all the evidence and then going to the media with stories, which may or may not be true.
And, if they don't believe it is true, it is up to the other party to sue? So, a young policeman, mid-investigation can resign his position, keep evidence, go the press and make a fortune......??? |
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Well how else would you have it jack?
Institutional stonewalling and off limits investigations? If the guy hasn’t got credible evidence to back up the allegations then it gets found out in court. |
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What amuses me is how those in power play to the galleries defending free speech and a free press, until investigatory journalism looks too close to home and then they think it’s foul play.
In that article it says the porn found was a ‘side issue’ based on the fact the police were looking for porn but actually a source of an internal home office suspected leak. So who decides whether a ‘side issue’ is a ‘no issue’? |
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I don't know.
Seems to open the door to police doing a runner from the force if they get any juicy info. Maybe that is where the Bow Street Runners started out! I would have thought that any evidence would belong to the police and not the individual. |
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Lfc
I don’t know whether the allegation are true or not about the individual, but we could extend that argument to the expenses scandal...if they claim money they shouldn’t who cares? Well it turned out a lot cared. |
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Well I don't want an individual like you deciding
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Jack that sort of mentality is similar to the one that suggests nhs workers can’t strike or military personnel don’t have human rights.
I disagree with both. |
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or this individual ex policeman , who is making money from other peoples misery
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Lfc, I didn’t you’d be glad to know.
Since I played no part in it. |
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Politicians through the public under the bus as par for the course ffs
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No idea what sort of 'mentality' you mean, dusty.
I am all for whistleblowers, but imagine what sort of a system we would have where a policeman can decide to steal evidence...... |
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there was quite a fuss at the time about the raid on green's office, and i seem to remember
it being quite unfair. its many years ago now so why bring it back up ? but of course now he denies looking at porn on that computer he leaves himself open to sanction on truth issues if proven that he did. a bit of a mess all round |
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Jack
The mentality that assumes when you are part of an institution you no long have an opinion. Like those suspected of the wikileaks data etc. |
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Do you know I've been on the golf course when I should have been at work , I've done Christmas shopping when I should have been at work , I've been eating breakfast in the canteen when I should have been at work .. there is a long list of my lazy nonsense and the company survived and I survived
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And then again there were other times when I worked to midnight on a Friday night when everyone else went home for the weekend
That's good too . |
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5 minutes past midnight actually , that meant you were paid through until 6:30 the following morning
was that strictly by the rules ? I don't know |
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You see no one looked too closely , the job was done when the rest went home on Friday
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was your job in public office?
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https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/91920/WORLD-EXCLUSIVE-Jacqui-Smith-put-adult-films-on-expenses
Nothing new here, as one former labour home secretary confessed to using tax payers cash to view inappropriate material |
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dustybin 01 Dec 17 09:59 Joined: 29 Dec 08 | Topic/replies: 14,280 | Blogger: dustybin's blog There’s a due process if people don’t agree with it, it’s called libel / slander. If he’s lying then sue He is like david cameron with his pig allegations.....too busy to sue |
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I remember, and she was rightly lambasted for it.
For people to suggest that the question shouldnt be asked about the appropriateness of the allegations based on the fact the plod need to button it miss the point completely. Its the people who need to decide on whether its acceptable, not a couple of high ranking coppers with their heads together with politicians. |
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should the questions have been asked at time of discovery?
as for it being acceptable, it hasnt yet been proved |
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weve lately had all sorts of people sacked,ridiculed,publicly shamed for touching bums,calling people luv,darling etc,etc but now politicans,media pundits hitting the airwaves saying its ok in works time to spend hour upon hour watching near the knuckle porn,yet people get crucified for having page 3 on their locker door,yet again the luvies and snowflakes getting their morals and knickers in a twist at the same time
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I agree with Jack, no way should a policeman profit from confidential information involving police investigative work. It's not even a policeman's evidence to sell, it's the states/ours. Shirley it must be illegal?
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media pundits hitting the airwaves saying its ok in works time to spend hour upon hour watching near the knuckle porn
Who was this? Surely its for the employers to decide on whether that is acceptable. |
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The whole of parliament must be riddled with viruses by now
The IT network probably isn't in great shape either |
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pixie
If the evidence is wrong then it gets called out in court. To say the state/public own the evidence while not acknowledging the fact the politicians are answerable to the public is wrong. |
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No it's not, it's two entirely different issues! What's wrong with you?
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Whats wrong with me?
If, and I say IF it is found that somebody in public office is spending time on the expense of the taxpayer viewing porn, you think its a problem with me that the public should form an opinion on that? |