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EU brexit negotiations - the final bill ?
EU brexit negotiations - the final bill ?
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UFC you just slink around cowering in the lap of luxury in sussex while I continue the struggle in the trenches of west landistan
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 how awful for you moisok, I would wish it on no one to live permanently in London. |
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the whole thing is becoming farcical
Prominent Brexiteer John Redwood advised investors to avoid Britain this weekend as the country’s economy “hits the brakes”. Before the vote Redwood advised that the “economic gains of leaving the EU will be considerable”. But as the economy hits stormy waters this weekend he advised investors to look elsewhere – namely the European Central Bank in an article he penned titled “Look further afield as the UK hits the brakes.” |
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I agree with Dyson. Zilch. Walk away.
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EU Brexit Negotiations - the final bill?
No mystery here - we've been told. That will be 50 Billion Euro. Its pay (or pay the consequences). Pretty straightforward and in the scheme of things will be a lot cheaper than floundering around on WTO rules for a decade. There are harder questions than this to be answered. |
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Why should we cave in to blackmail.
We should make a counter offer and give them an ultimatum. Nothing but we might consider something depending on the type of deal we get offered. |
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I see it didnt take that great patriot Vulcan Redwood on his 200 grand sideline to start telling investors to start pulling their money out of Britain
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we might consider something depending on the type of deal we get offered.
typical of a brexiter to promote an illegal and corrupt option. Just pay off Johnny foreigner, it's the only language they understand. |
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And how would that be illegal? You want to agree to a payment before knowing the deal? That would be utter madness.
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It never fails to amaze me how anyone could support the EU over their own country in this ongoing process.
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Me neither, amazing indeed.
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OK here's some basic stuff, which I rather assumed you would understand. Organisations don't pay money they don't owe and usually pay money that they owe.
If the UK owes the EU money, then it should pay it. If it refuses or disputes that payment it will go to the appropriate court. If it doesn't owe the money, then it shouldn't pay it. Yes there might be a gray area where some money is paid or not paid, depending on diplomatic considerations, but that will only apply to a minority of issues. None of this has to do with trade deals. It has to do with the UK leaving the EU. Any suggestion that we should pay £x only if we get a deal basically says we should pay money we might not owe, which would be illegal and implies that we shouldn't pay money we do owe if we don't get a deal, also illegal. |
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Legal process has it's time and place dave, but horse trading is where we are at right now. Let's fight the fight and see where we are legally when the dust settles.
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pay the money we need to get the 3.5 billion in grants they owe us here in northern ireland
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After this process is over, we still have to trade with, share military commitments and a host of other things with our EU neighbours. We should be prepared to pay for what we have already agreed with the EU. I have no axe to grind with any of the EU countries, merely that the EU model is flawed and despite representations from the UK and others they have no desire to reform this outdated concept.
The whole Referendum was botched by Cameron and cronies; legislation of this importance should have been passed only with a two thirds majority and the facts behind leaving should have been properly laid out for the whole population. Instead they were given half truths and exaggeration combined with a jingoism not seen for decades. |
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dave1357
14 Nov 17 09:35 Joined: 05 Sep 10 | Topic/replies: 6,234 | Blogger: dave1357's blog OK here's some basic stuff, which I rather assumed you would understand. Organisations don't pay money they don't owe and usually pay money that they owe. If the UK owes the EU money, then it should pay it. If it refuses or disputes that payment it will go to the appropriate court. If it doesn't owe the money, then it shouldn't pay it. Yes there might be a gray area where some money is paid or not paid, depending on diplomatic considerations, but that will only apply to a minority of issues. None of this has to do with trade deals. It has to do with the UK leaving the EU. Any suggestion that we should pay £x only if we get a deal basically says we should pay money we might not owe, which would be illegal and implies that we shouldn't pay money we do owe if we don't get a deal, also illegal. ... The UK owes nothing according to the House of Lords report. If we had to pay believe me the remain side would have used this in the campaign. Did anyone mention it? No. Why? Because the EU just made it up. There is nothing in A50 about a bill. Any payment would be a good will gesture to grease the wheels of a trade deal that would suit the people of Europe. Notice I say people not the tyrants who run the EU and are forming their own army. We could end up paying £50bn and then they say we can only have free trade if we keep free movement of people. Then we will have wasted £50bn. |
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Insider Trader, if the Uk owes nothing why is Davis not telling them that?
Are you proposing that the UK pays taxpayers money to the EU when it doesn't owe them anything? You seem to be saying that we might say that we will pay you £50bn that we don't owe? Why would we ever do that? Really you have to start thinking for yourself and stop parroting "the approved response" from whatever right wing asylum you lurk in. What bearing has the exit bill got to do with future trade relationship? |
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Go along with the experts, like Dyson, imo.
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Dave,
You say: What bearing has the exit bill got to do with future trade relationship? ... It is a massive bearing. They refuse to even start trade talks with them unless we massively up our offer of money. Where have you been? No ransom money from us and there will be no trade talks (they say). |
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In Germany I can imagine manufacturers beating a path to merkel's front door. Conversation goes like this, Angela don't you dare fk this up - where are we going to dump all our billions of goods if you let the idiots screw this.
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thinking again it is going to be mainly the germans who will be hurt not so much the belgians and french
hmmmmmmm. |
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You think countries trade with us to help us out?
We got stuff they want/need and that goes both ways. Turn your back on people and , sooner or later, they come running. Human nature. |
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So that's how ericster got with Kirsten Dunst.
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We have been through this before IT.
The UK/EU agreement was to make sufficient progress in the areas of citizens, exit payments and Irish border. The UK is deliberately stalling on the exit payments issue because of the Tory lunatic fringe. The EU actually isn't obliged to make a trade agreement as part of article 50, the only in scope discussions would be a future framework and potentially transition. Article 50 agreement is qualified majority of EU members and future trade agreement is unanimous agreement. Anyway you haven't responded to Insider Trader, if the Uk owes nothing why is Davis not telling them that? Are you proposing that the UK pays taxpayers money to the EU when it doesn't owe them anything? You seem to be saying that we might say that we will pay you £50bn that we don't owe? Why would we ever do that? |
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moisok Joined: 13 Jun 06
Replies: 15478 14 Nov 17 14:54 In Germany I can imagine manufacturers beating a path to merkel's front door. Conversation goes like this, Angela don't you dare fk this up - where are we going to dump all our billions of goods if you let the idiots screw this. Completely clueless rubbish. The kind of thing mobo or not allowed to bet would say. |
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Imagine anything, mo.
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but you rush off and hide when challenged dave
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Going for a trade agreement I can live with but having "anal-sex" forced upon me , metaphorically speaking of course, ohhh no.
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dave repeatedly playing agent provocateur there, poor form.
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he accuses me of muslimophobia when I didn't mention them at all
when challenged about this he went away and hid |
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I just asked him to show me where I had mentioned them and he was unable to provide any evidence
is this normal for forumites? |
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Do you really think you are fooling people when you use the language you do Moisok? Do you think it is normal behaviour on a gambling forum to make hundreds of posts about immigrants and virtually no posts about anything else??
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but you are unable to provide evidence to back up your accusation
hope this helps |
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moisok • November 14, 2017 2:54 PM GMT
In Germany I can imagine manufacturers beating a path to merkel's front door. Conversation goes like this, Angela don't you dare fk this up - where are we going to dump all our billions of goods if you let the idiots screw this. I once heard there is an entire world to trade with out there. |
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good point - and we can have all those Enfield motorbikes from India as well
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yeah, those are lovely. Better yet though - remember Queen and go with bicycles. We need a traffic revolution away from motorized vehicles.
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If for example, Germany had left, we would be seeking to punish them as much as we possibly could, and the press would be urging our politicians to ostracise them for pulling out of the European ideal - no deal is far worse for UK and we are in an atrocious negotiating position. The people who voted for this madness deserve everything they get, its just a shame the rest of us are going to get caught up in the long, messy fallout
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and I actually and truly mean that in case you're wondering. I know we Germans are renowned for our first class primetime humour, but that is no joking matter.
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