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27 dead in Texas church shooting
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My brother in law and father in law both live in Texas and are both gun owners - and are both liberals. So, like most issues there is not a black and white answer to what should be done. Taking gun ownership aside for a moment, I do wonder how it is legal for a civilian to own a bullet proof jacket - not sure how that would be covered in the 2nd amendment.
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Lest you forget The Donald signed a bill reversing pres Obama's bill on the sale of guns to mentally ill.
He now says this shooting was not a gun issue but a mental health one. It would be funny if it wasn't so f***ing tragic |
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There is no answer to the gun situation in America. There are approaching 270 Million plus firearms in circulation. There is no way that people will hand them back. The NRA will not take any responsibility. They will not take a backward step for fear of a deluge.
They could start with mental health checks and maybe a ban on the sale of assault rifles but these would not change much apart from attitude but that is the one thing that needs changing fast. For all the problems we have in this Country thank God that we don't have as many guns causing so much misery. No civilised society needs so many guns floating around. The poor souls killed in mass shootings are just the tip of the ice berg. Thousands more die by the gun in America in isolated incidents. |
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when you have the head of a local NRA group making statements like "I'd rather see some children die than do anything to jeopardize my 2nd Amendment rights." it certainly has gone beyond reason and comprehension
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If the NRA lived in Syria or Iraq no doubt they would be Jihaddis!
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One Texas family lost eight of its members, four of whom were children and one a pregnant woman, in Sunday’s tragic church shooting rampage that claimed 26 lives.
Eight of the Holcombe family members were among those who attended and were shot dead during services at the First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs when a gunman, identified as Devin Patrick Kelley, stormed the church and killed 26, as Breitbart Texas reported. Kelley later died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Authorities believe his horrific actions were related to a domestic dispute. A relative of the family told KSAT that John Holcombe was in the church Sunday morning with his four months-pregnant wife, Chrystal, and her four children, parents, plus brother and sister-in-law. Three of the children, 13-year-old Greg Hill, 11 year-old Emily Hill, and eight-year old Megan Hill, were slain inside the church with their mother. Medics rushed six-year-old Evelyn Hill to University Hospital where she remains in stable condition. John Holcombe was released from the hospital Sunday night after sustaining injuries from shrapnel. Holcombe’s parents, Bryan and Karla also died in the massacre as well as his brother, Marc, 36, and his one-year-old daughter Noah. The eldest of the Hill children, PJ, did not attend church with the family because he was home sick. 8 members of the same family, how do you get over that. |
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Unreal
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Seems the Air Force failed to put him on the list as not being allowed to own a gun.
Legislation was already there to stop this. |
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awful
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Four or more is considered a mass shooting..........you decided four was the magic number ???
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Which rather enforces the view that if guns weren't available at all, he wouldn't have found it so easy to get any.
No gun shops, no need for legislation. So you just want criminals and the rich to be able to protect themselves? In this case it appears an illegal firearm was used to kill 27 people. He was only stopped because armed heros shot him twice and went after him. Yet some people want to disarm those heros. Unbelievable. |
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No that isn't what I want. Why would anyone want that?
Criminals must find it much easier to get a gun in the US than most other countries. In most other western countries - the UK for example where there are guns among the criminal fraternity, and doubtlessly the rich or people who shoot for sport, the sort of mass shooting which take place regularly in the US are far fewer. I don't think a degree in rocket science is needed to establish a correlation between more guns and gun usage and gun availability, and more people being shot. You seem to defend some weird things, Insider Trader. Do you type this stuff on lots of forums? I'm guessing you do. ufcdan; 4 is the definition used by the American Govt as the number of people shot for the incident to be considered a mass shooting. There were 28, (yes twenty eight) mass shootings in the USA in October alone - so more or less 1 a day. |
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Lets not forget the legal firearms used by the geezer in Vegas.
Any defence of that incident or the use of guns following it is mad. |
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which geezer was it though?
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Whoever it was, terry, it involved the use of (unnecessary) guns!
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The Americans will fight tooth and nail to oppose any legislation to ban guns.
For me a starting point would be to ban the sale of rapid fire weapons. Should be one shot rifles and six shot pistols and nothing else. |
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Or as I've been banging on about, about the same performance of a weapon back in the day when the constitution was written
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My 30/06 rifle was one shot ideal for hunting deer, never wanted to riddle a deer with fifty bullets ! My Magnum was a revolver as was my .38 less to go wrong if I'd of ever been unfortunate to have to use a gun, thankfully never did.
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If everyone has weapons from when the constitution was written then fine.
If not then it would be pointless. The idea is the population have the means to defend themselves from criminals and the 'state' if it becomes too powerful. |
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IT - that last bit is what you hear from paranoid hillbillies. You often hear Liberals want to take our guns etc etc, but as I said earlier my inlaws are liberals, but gun owners too. I think a lot of people just want to see stricter background checks. Another anecdote, but my sister in laws father in law is a Vietnam vet - huge gun enthusiast and enters shooting comps etc, also a Trump voter. Hardly someone against the 2nd amendment, but he is a supporter of better checking on potential gun owners and not allowing military style semi automatics to be in civilian hands. Like I say just an anecdote, no stats etc, but even though he is very different to my politics in many ways I have a lot of time for his opinion on this subject.
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The idea is the population have the means to defend themselves from criminals and the 'state' if it becomes too powerful.
Yeah good luck with that one ! As I say constitution outdated and needs to be amended. Hank do you live here or the other side of the pond ? |
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do you know anything about chemtrails ufcdan? why do the americans wont to ruin our beautiful world?
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Chemtrails???
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look it up-treason against the world id call it,f"ing hell
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Looked it up, they've done it in the past so why not now. Usually they do it to Jonny Foriegner. The Marshall Islands for example.
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unbe****inglieveable
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Not the country of my births finest moment !
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used for all the wrong reasons now so defo not their finest
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uk dan, but wife is from Texas hence my inlaws being there. I also lived and worked there for a good bit
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Will you be moving to Tennesse Hank
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But isn't the second amendment to do with an armed militia? It was written at the time when the US consisted of a dozen states who each wanted their own military rather than a national force. The fact it still gets used as a defence shows how endemic the corruption has been there.
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You lost me there whispering
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All my ex's live in Texas,
Thats why I hang my hat in Tennesse! |
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Sorry Hank,
it's quite a famous Country song. youtube it George Straight All my ex's live in Texas! |