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27 dead in Texas church shooting
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Does the US have a particular problem with one-parent families or computer games that the rest of the world doesn't?
Not as far as I can tell. Pretty sure everywhere else has access to FIFA, Wolfenstein and Grand Theft Auto and also have their fair share of feckless dads but don't see mass murder on the scale we get in the US. Only point of difference is the NRA's control over US politicians that means semi-automatic weapons are available on every street in every town. |
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Agree with PoP. Every country has mental cases, people who flip. The difference between America and other Western democracies is the easy availability of automatic weapons.
You can't uninvent guns or remove them from the population so the best way of controlling this is in restricting the sale of ammunition. I don't hold out much hope of this happening in America. It didn't happen under Obama so no chance under Trump. |
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Well of course some country has to top the list of murder rates , here they are :
Honduras Venezuela Belize El Salvador Belize Venezuela Honduras St Kitts and Nevis S. Africa Columbia Bahamas Trinidad Congo St Vincent Rwanda Dominick St Lucia Mexico |
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Missed out Brazil in there somewhere also
And Panama, and Nigeria. |
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Seems to be just 2 categories for these mass shooters, they are either mentally ill or a terrorist. Trump said, "This isn't a guns situation. This is a mental health problem at the highest level." But America has now had 2 big mass shootings back-to-back, Las Vegas and this one, same thing every time "thoughts and prayers are with the victims" but no policy action.....
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So as long as the US sets its bar as something similar to Rwanda and Venezuela then everything's ok. God bless the good ole U S of A.
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Tell, just seen an amusing juxtaposition of two tweets by some right wing loon ball.
First one was last week, just after the guy in New York drove into the cyclists, in which he pointed out his nationality and calls for extreme vetting. The second after yesterday's attack, in which he says the shooting shouldn't be politicised and it isn't about skin colour or politics. |
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Why should America , or Britain or any other country be any different from these other countries ?
That is just the point there is no guarantee that a country will be safe and peaceful , It is not the norm , it is something we have become too arrogant and wreck less to realise that as recently as the 60s and 70s people in countries such as Russia were being murdered in their hundreds on a daily basis . |
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The NRA will be calling for all church ministers to be armed
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Why do several countries appear more than once in your list, lfc?
Honduras for example 1st and 7th. Doesn't do much for its credibility. |
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No. of people shot in 2015 in USA- 40,000
Total population of St.Kitts & Nevis - 40,000 lfc credibility 0  |
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Terrible event again.
Just as the press moves on from Vegas this happens. Thank goodness the heros who chased after the killer were armed and able to stop him performing more carnage. |
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Look the point is not does America have a greater or lesser problem than Britain , or other countries .
As pineapple says , but of course doesn't understand , is that all these countries have broken families and access to violent computer games and the internet. It is the direction of travel of these countries and society Is Britain becoming more violent and unstable ? are European countries and is America and others moving this way. we are changing as a society and people and the influence that culture plays is very important |
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More guns will solve the problem. So far that project isn't working but when everyone is packing things should be fine
Texas Republican Attorney Gen. Ken Paxton told Fox News on Sunday that more Texans should acquire concealed carry permits so as to prevent more mass shootings like the one that killed 26 in Sutherland Springs on Sunday morning. The Hill reported that Paxton said the shooting “breaks my heart” — especially given that children were among the fatalities. “I wish some law would fix all of this,” Paxton said by phone “All I can say is in Texas at least we have the opportunity to have conceal carry,” he explained. “And so … there’s always the opportunity that gunman will be taken out before he has the opportunity to kill very many people.” |
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And what is British culture now ?
Perhaps you can name a song , or a book, or a mathematical formula that you particularly like. I don't know. |
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surely someone can beat that soon |
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Is it 14 year olds throwing acid in someone's face?
I don't know. |
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And what do we make if a society that turns away and shrugs at these things, as if it is too normal , too much to be expected ,
And that we would have to be half mad not to expect anything else. |
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One would have to be half mad to be shy of people.
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InsiderTrader 06 Nov 17 12:26
Terrible event again. Just as the press moves on from Vegas this happens. Thank goodness the heros who chased after the killer were armed and able to stop him performing more carnage. You can't help yourself can you? |
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dead man cant talk dave--oooops!
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Dave,
Glad you are alive! Was worried when you never returned to explain the chart on the thread about wages |
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So thread about 27 people dead and your only contribution is two blatantly political posts. You really are a piece of work.
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And you talking about the NRA is not?
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Apologies. That was PP.
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Various posters have mentioned NRA/Gun control.
Is it not balanced to say by having a gun the heros were able to stop the killer? In a country flooded with arms many want the option to be able to defend themselves. |
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I'm happy to be political about it. It's people being killed, and is to my mind partly to blame on a government policy that is beholden to a lobby group.
As for the have a go heroes, brilliant! So as long as the killer only gets the chance to unload his sub-auto in one crowded location and gives a chance for others to get ready then we're ok. (aside from the facetiousness, do we know if any of the parishoners/victims were "packing heat"? Wondering if any were able to fire back and if they did or if the adrenalin kicked in and they hit the deck or ran? and hoped for the authorities to get there asap.) |
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I see many here want the US to ban gun ownership.........well way to late for that one. Not wanting to sound like an NRA supporter but glad there was a "Good guy" with a gun or who knows how many would of been killed. As for a gun less society such as Britain for example how many got shot here ? Of course while one is one to many it is hard to get a gun here but in America that particular cat is well and truly out of the bag !
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Sadly it is a very political issue and to shy away from that will lead to even more atrocities.
Lose your temper or your mind here and you may kill one with a knife or a punch but not dozens. Assault Rifles?????????? Give me strength. He had a stash of weapons despite being court marshalled for abusing his wife and kid. Over here, if you leave the army and take a pistol with you, it's clink time. My only probably very naive idea is to try prototype towns in America where there is zero tolerance to any guns. |
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It's the constitution that needs to be written, no such things as assault rifles back in the day. Injera when I lived in the States in Massachusetts if you were caught with an unlicensed hand gun it was a mandatory fives years in jail. Didn't stop the killing there.
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Good job you don't have access to a gun Injera.......you'd probably end it all given the goings on at West Ham !
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would these towns without guns be enclosed with walls? every ancient city was enclosed with ancient walls.
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Enclosed walls where only the Police would have guns........so no worries there then !
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I've got a chainsaw dan...
lfc - didn't say it was a good idea! I just think they surely must try amnesties in a few towns and see if they can make it work. |
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I feel your pain brother......well I did thirty years ago when we were sh1t !!!
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When I lived in Las Vegas in the eighties a policewoman was shot in the throat in North Las Vegas by a gang member, if guns were made illegal why would someone hand is gun in if he's already prepared to commit a crime like that. As I've said before I would certainly own a gun again.
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If I lived back stateside
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Ban assault rifles?
I have a friend in Colorado who is in her 60s and carries a handgun to work if she's working late. |
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Can't make sense of what Trump said, "This is not a Guns situation."
So Gun violence and guns are totally unrelated (?) And a person with mental problems lives in a country with easy access to guns. What could possibly go wrong ?????? |
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Allowing the criminals, the rich (with armed body guards) and the state to carry guns and leave the general population defenseless would never work in America.
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