The Queen might be innocent after all.

According to the Telegraph it was actually the Duchy of Lancaster which is effectively a government department (hence, Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster).

I love the guardian's moral outrage.  Running 7 stories at the moment. One of the 'offshore' account papers like the Mail.  How dare they!!!!  see my Spectator article.  ho ho

`This chart from the Institute for Fiscal Studies shows that about 90% of income tax is paid by the 50% of taxpayers with the highest incomes, while more than a quarter is paid by the richest 1%.

MORE THAN A QUARTER OF ALL INCOME TAX PAID BY THE RICHEST 1%.

If you think thats fair you must be out of your tiny mind.

That 1% who you all claim pay no tax and avoid everything pays for just about everything the poor get.

Unfortunately its what you come to expect off most people you meet.

After all it was the `poor' who voted for Brexit - thereby guranteeing themselves to be significantly poorer over the next few decades.

I suppose its the `rich' who mostly voted to stay in Europe who will pay for the simpletons lack of understanding of basic economic principles.

After all it was the `poor' who voted for Brexit

encouraged to do so by the 'rich' such as **** Johnson and 1,000's of other non-poor


or is Johnson counted as poor in your stats?

You are both correct. Brexit was popular with the "left behind people" but, unfortunately for them, the cabal who own the Brexit project are extremely privileged and contemptuous of them. Lawson, Lamont, Murdoch, Rees-Mogg, Davre, the Barclay brothers, Redwood, Duncan-Smith.. god help the poor when there's no regulations to save them from these predators.

For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.



The bible clearly tells us . It's almost impossible for a wealthy person to enter in to heaven.

The Bible? That book that was pieced together from a whole host of tales told by man to man.
Yep a credible source.

'The man who dies Rich dies disgraced' Andrew Carnegie.

The richest people have all the money!!!!
forget percentages for a minute.

If someone, say a well paid footballer earns £200,000 a week and pays 50% in tax, he still has £100,000 a week coming in.
Whereas, for the majority of us earning between £12,000 and £30,000 a YEAR pay a far lower proportion but have bugger all to live on.

I fail to understand why people with billions of £'s they cannot POSSIBLY spend have to try to avoid paying tax.

Also worth remembering is that income tax is only worth 23% (iirc) of all tax revenue.
Road tax, cigarettes, VAT, fuel, etc etc etc is where most of OUR money goes and we ALL have to pay it at the same rate.

Unless, like MP's and other well-versed or contracted, invariably much better off people, it can be offset against expenses or fiddled in some way.

Why the defence for "the rich" - The rich get on fine without support from those who give it just to prove they're not in some way "leftie".
And while we're at it, We're not talking about people who are just a bit well off, but about people and more especially big companies who don't need the money and pay considerably less than they should, NOT more than poorer people.

Oh, AND,
Most of the richest 1% earn at least 100 times more than the average, so the 1% SHOULD pay 100 times more.
They still get to keep 100 times more.

Yep, it'd be nice if some dreams weren't bordering on nightmares, wouldn't it?

income tax has changed for whatever reason, many low earners do not suffer it.

but they pay vat on toy planes for their kids, many high earners , it would seem,
do not pay vat on real planes.

vat refund on van, but not on car except certain circumstances.....

plane for private use, at least in part, no full vat refund, unless you know
to register it in the right place.

You are missing the point.

The plane has to be used for business purposes to reclaim the VAT in the same way the builder would never use his van for any non business trips.

If non business use is involved then that proportion of VAT on the plane (and the van) should not be reclaimed.

The "not rich" fiddle the system by much much more than the rich simply because there are far more of them.

i dont think i can claim to know as a fact anything that is shown on tv, so no.

The worst offenders on the program were the actors being paid their fees into the offshore trusts. That is just blatant cheating.

They might has well just been paid the money as normal then just "forget" to put in onto their tax return , and hope they get away with it. Their tax planning had no more merit to it than that.

But then again how many self employed tradesman have never done a cash job ?

Most of us would take advantage of loopholes/avoidance/ways around paying tax if we could.
BUT:
For the vast majority, there isn't enough left, or they don't have enough to worry about.

So if we want it to be fair, the rules need to be changed. Trouble is the ones making the rules either have the money, or are paid by those who have the money.

The most puzzling thing for me is why so many are ready to defend the rich who pay so little tax by saying "they pay loads of tax!!!!"
If anyone on this forum is rich enough to be affected by a firmer tax regimen for the richest, I'd be amazed.

My only conclusion is that Studyform is envious/jealous of the `rich' anf clearly a left-wing idealist/fantasist.

Several times it has been explained that the `rich' pay most of the tax that helps the `poor'.

You just dont/wont grasp that.

`The most puzzling thing for me is why so many are ready to defend the rich who pay so little tax by saying "they pay loads of tax!!!!" - They defend it/state it because its a FACT.

Ps. `Rich' and `Poor' is almost impossible to define. The poorest person in the UK could be argued to have wo the lottery compared to the economic/political situation of the bulk of the rest of the world.