Kevin Spacey : career over ?

why , what has he done.

The Usual Suspects in the media are quick to condemn him

Can't post links from my phone , but it's all over the news.

Maybe someone can copy and paste the gist of it.

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He has been accused of attempted sexual assault against actor Anthony Rapp, who was a 14-year-old child at the time. The Oscar winner denied any recollection of the incident – and then chose to take the opportunity to come out.

- Today's Guardian.

The incident occured 30 years ago.

Could be more claims from others about Spacey it seems, but this one in the news today.....14yo Broadway star goes to a party at Spacey’s house, where he separates himself by going to the bedrooom..... watches TV for hours.....all other guests leave .....Spacey appears in bedroom and laid on top of him.....he declined the advance and freely left....

So if that is it, is any court going to find a crime here, and he waited 32 years to speak out about this. Apart from the fact he was 14 at the time and I think Spacey was 26. So he waited on an older man’s bed for hours, just to see what happens..... that is how they could easily make it look in court. So if Spacey didn't assault him, not much of a case (?)

In his statement today Spacey also comes out as a gay man.  I had no idea Spacey was not out.

Did he not come out a long, long time ago? It seems like I've always known he way gay.

Netflix series just cancelled

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maybe more to story

"He has been accused of attempted sexual assault against actor Anthony Rapp, who was a 14-year-old child at the time"

Sexual harassment rather than sexual assault AFAIK.

No-one has asked Anthony Rapp what the outcome was when he reported it to the police at the time.
Oh, you don't say, we're using new gayer rules, you just have to report it in the same geological era. I must have missed that meeting.

"gayer" rules???

14yo Broadway star goes to a party at Spacey’s house, where he separates himself by going to the bedrooom..... watches TV for hours.....all other guests leave

That seems a really strange thing to do. I think he's missed a few important points out of his story.

Having a few drinks and going out on the pull is now "sexual harassment"

no it isn't

no it isn't

Only difference in this alleged incident is the victim is 14.  And it's clearly inappropriate to try and pull a 14 year old, especially homosexually

Rapp's own behaviour would not have been an issue in any trial. Sexual acts between a 26 year old and a 14 year old could would have been statutory offences , so 'consent' is not legally possible and could not be used as a defence.

Anyhow , the statute of limitations expires sex offences quite quickly in most US states . That's why Harvey Weinstein is unlikely to be brought to court.

Agreed Tober but it doesn't alter the fact that his actions were strange unless he knew KS very well.

clydebank - why especially homosexually? Is pulling a 14 year old heterosexual less bad?

He can always go back to K-PAX.

PP who said the child was homosexual?

Statistically it's 98% likely they were heterosexual.

The main lobbyists and the most vociferous voices in lowering the age of homosexual consent
in the UK were from men over 40. (Tatchell, Mandelson etc).
No ulterior motives of course?

Clydebank, I'm re-quoting you. "it's clearly inappropriate to try and pull a 14 year old, especially homosexually"

Why is pulling a 14 year old of the same gender more especially inappropriate than pulling one of the opposite gender?

clydebank - why especially homosexually? Is pulling a 14 year old heterosexual less bad?

You've suggested by that post that you believe the 14 yo was gay.

It's a direct quote from clydebank's post of 9:44, aka. He mentioned the sex of the pullee, not me.

Heard on the radio,a woman saying that Spacey was wrong to sexually assault someone.Errrr,excuse me,where is the evidence that he assaulted anybody?.Has he been interviewed by the police?.Has he stood trial?.Has he been found guilty in a court of Law?.
totally out of order,Spacey has a case for slander against the woman.If you have not been found guilty in a court of Law.people should not say that you are guilty of something.
Does this mean that anybody can destroy anybodys reputation by accusation alone?.Just shows how stupid so called intelligent people are.
Guy said the other day,"finally at last women will be believed".Hold on!!!.Women should be LISTENED TO,and if they accuse somebody of something,it should be INVESTIGATED,and if there is considered to be EVIDENCE [NO NOT UNCORROBORRATED EVIDENCE,if it's not corroborated it's TESTIMONY,some people think that giving evidence in court means that what you are saying is FACT,it's not,it hasn't yet been proved to be fact yet.],then and only then,a person should stand trial.
And if found guilty,ONLY THEN CAN PEOPLE SAY THAT HE IS GUILTY OF SOMETHING!!!.
The rush to judgement by people who don't even yet know the full details of what has even ALLEGED to have happened is staggering.
Things are getting seriously stupid.Just think any of you guys[or girls],if you went to a dance or pub one week,saw a person that you liked,and guessed that they might be there the following week,and you went there and stood around eying them up.Hey guess what.You are a stalker!!!.You knew that they would be there the following week and you went there looking for them.!!!!.That's how stupid it's getting!!!.The police used to do nothing about a woman's complaint.
Now they and society has gone to the other extreme.Both are wrong.
WHEN a person has been found guilty in a court of Law,THEN condemn them.I saw the programme on t.v.called The Fall Bill Cosby, he has been ruined.He was so guilty,that a jury couldn't even reach a verdict as to his guilt.Yet the press and media have already tried and convicted him.He still stands unconvicted of ANY crime.
What next?.Wichfinder Generals?.Something is seriously wrong with peoples thought processes.Wait till it's discovered that a person has had there life destroyed,and it is discovered that the were in fact innocent.That's the trajedy and I bet it's just around the corner.

He has apologised for the approach which as described could be counted as assault.

To clarify that I think he is claiming not to remember the exact incident but says if he did act like that then he apologises.
Was a suggestion he was drunk.

Pipedreamer so is it your assumption then that Jimmy Saville was an innocent party.

pumphol,i think you maybe missing the point.A lot of anecdotal evidence against Saville,coupled with a lot of accusations against him.Out of 400 women that came forward,police said that 10 were worthy of inveatigation.
I wonder what was wrong with the other 390 women that came forward with stories?.
My point is that it is not difficult out of billions of people in the world to find at least 50 women with mental illness,attention seekers,and money grabbers.remember that many women came forward saying that they were molested by him on TOTP,thus  opening the possibility of suing the bbc for money.What percentage is 50 out of a billion.
Some people would argue that more that a few hundred would easily be more nearer the mark.So you see,peples rush to Judgement is way out of kilter.Due Process is required,Innocent until proven guilty,Not Guilty until proven innocent.
Look at Michael Jackson,the allegation of child molestation came about when the father accused the mother at a custody hearing of allowing abuse of their child.WHAT,DID HE NOT SAY ANYTHING  BEFORE THE TRIAL!!!!!!?.
I heard the reports of,"a secret room was found",full of videos.WOW SHOCK HORROR.So secret was this room that it was found,and nothing untoward on the videos.
So everything explainable.Yet how many people still assert that he did something wrong.
The point that I make is that wait till they do it to an innocent person,and remember it can happen to anybody at this rate.
It could even happen to YOU!!!.If it does come back and tell me that you don't agree with what I suggest to the route that people should take, and the stance that they should adopt.

PP If a 14 year old heterosexual boy is drugged and assaulted/raped by a man it is going to be a lot more traumatic experience to him than if he was drugged and assaulted/raped by a woman.  I'd have thought that was obvious.

What is important is the health and well being of the child victim, not whether an adult liberal is offended that the child finds it more traumatic.

akabula I wasn't inferring that the boy was homosexual, rather he was the victim of a homosexual assault.

14 yr old probably because he wanted to go where no man had been before,

PP I had the decency to answer your question.  If you have the decency to answer mine rather than firing in another question, I will answer yours.

For semantics lets say address the point I'm making rather than avoiding it.

If you'd asked me a question I'd have answered it but I can't see one.



Your turn.

On second thoughts don't bother.  I answered your question and gave my reasoning on my 8.31 post.

In answer to your second question.  When a man assaults/rapes a woman he also is highly likely to physically overpower her and can impregnate her.  So it's not a valid comparison on that score.  Further since no one can be both a man and a woman, it is not a valid comparison on that basis either, as you can only full empathise with one side.

The valid comparison is the comparison I have given imo.

So you think in the cases of women raping a boy, the boy is not overpowered? If he's forced to take part against his will is there no fear he could be harmed during or after? If he is drugged, are his feelings of powerlessness, guilt, shame etc less than a girl's?


Or is this all some fantasy Porky's style imagination where the 14 year old boy is jumped on by his centrefold teacher, in which case he's obviously well up for it



Genuinely curious as to how you've arrived at this view.

still no real smoking gun here on spacey is there.

all the stuff in the papers today seems to suggest he isn't violent or threatening and can take no for an answer and respects that answer.

of course the 14 year old thing is a big problem, but no more so than Bill Wyman and Mandy Smith.

Times are changing, no one will be able to cop a feel at work soon 

Can't remember the incident.......... but can remember being drunk. Hmmmm!

I suppose it depends on if drunken rolls ,passes at 14 yr olds was his Saturday night out,might have rolled on 50 14yr olds and after a while they all look the same

Unsupervised 14 year old at a party with drinks

.....and then alone with Spacey

Who looks after 14-year-olds. Where were the adults/parents/managers ?

Spacey saying he was drunk and can't remember, how did he know he was drunk when it happened if he can't remember..... and was he also drunk when he invited him over...... been stories for years about Spacey. But if this one story can be taken at face value, what Spacey done was made an advance, not sexual assault.... or I'm confused and missing something. But no excuse when it's a 14-year-old.

I think Spacey probably does have some recollection, but whether he does or doesn't he'll have been advised to say what he did by a PR company.

Maybe it was Brad's son getting revenge...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJVXg1AHQTY




Art imitating life......allegedly.

@Clydebank
That was directed at PP who I thought by his post was suggesting the 14 yo was gay.
Your post and point was crystal clear to me. Sorry for the confusion.

In the asylum that is 2017  , his career is far more likely to be finished by mentioning his sexual preference at the same time as this alleged attack on a child ,than the aforementioned alleged child attack.

As we live in a world akin to 16th century Salem ,an accusation is all that is needed for somebody to have their live destroyed , long before any actual trial and evidence.

Oct 31, 2017 -- 7:56AM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:

So you think in the cases of women raping a boy, the boy is not overpowered? If he's forced to take part against his will is there no fear he could be harmed during or after? If he is drugged, are his feelings of powerlessness, guilt, shame etc less than a girl's?Or is this all some fantasy Porky's style imagination where the 14 year old boy is jumped on by his centrefold teacher, in which case he's obviously well up for itGenuinely curious as to how you've arrived at this view.

How on earth does a woman rape a male, inflate his penis with a bike pump?

I'd imagine its not too difficult, no pump required, just some manual encouragement. most men are easily aroused.

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here is a story that now can be told,about 10 years ago maybe a little more,i took a guy in my cab down to a beautiful house somewhere near east Grinstead,anyhow it turns out he works in Hollywood as a script writer and for some reason we get talking about Spacey,the important part was this guy who was surely in the know told me that Spacey wasn't living in England though choice but had to leave the States because it was well known "he liked little boys" and if he didn't leave he faced trail and prison, so it seemed to me that it was an open secret in Hollywood so I guess most people there are not surprised this has come out now

At this rate netflix could be the new uk gold

If Spacey didnt flatly deny the accusation, only said he couldnt remember the incident, suggests he may have been in that position on other occasions.

If he at no stage ever, had a young lad in his company for the possibility of sex, then he would strenuously deny the accusation, as this is not the way he conducts himself.

Spacey floodgates are open now, Old Vic have had to set up a confidential helpline.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-41829484

Saw him in the Old Vic bar one time, clearly a very strange guy.

Yeah , Blackrock . He couldn't use the 'I'm not that type of guy' defence because he knew there were more stories out there

poor kev they are starting to line up now, old vic? more like young steve

Made the mistake of hiding it, unlike Trump who bragged about what Sir Michael Fallon has just had to resign for and dismissed it as 'locker room banter'.

While he was in charge the hiring policy was 'young d1ck at the Old Vic'

That was only because the got turned down by Albert Dock.

He's been OUT for years, knew he was Gay since he took over the Shakespeare building years ago?
thought it was widely known..

it is zorro,read my post from a couple of days ago

A new man has come forward claiming he was sexually assaulted by Kevin Spacey.
The anonymous victim alleged that the Oscar-winning actor tried to rape him in 1984 in an interview with Vulture, saying that the incident occurred just a few months after the two began a sexual relationship.

Spacey was 24 when the pair had consensual sex for the first time according to the anonymous victim, who was just 14 at that time.
He claims he was 15 when the alleged rape took place, and 12 when he first met Spacey at an New York acting camp.
The anonymous victim also said that just before he and Spacey had sex for the first time in 1983 the actor professed his love for the youngster. 'He is a pedophile,' said the anonymous victim.

Spacey allegedly attempted to rape the teenager during what was to be a 15 minute visit claims the anonymous victim, who said he planned to stop in briefly before he had to meet his parents for dinner in the city.

'I guess he must have come up behind me and yanked down my baggy jeans, and he goes to f*** me and I’m like, "No, I don’t want to,"' said the victim.
'And he pushes hard, and grabs me, and starts shoving up against my a**hole, and it hurts like a motherf*****. I again tell him no, and he tries again.'
The victim continued: 'I am strong enough, thank God, both somewhere in my brain and in my body, to get him off of me. I’m sturdy, thankfully. I throw him off of me and I run crying down the stairs and out into the street and then suck it all up and go have dinner.'

The victim was then asked how he would classify the incident.
'I always have said, "He tried to rape me,"' he explained.
'I told him I didn’t want that, he went again to do it, I told him no, he went again and pushed harder and grabbed me and pushed harder.'

He then added: 'I don’t know how I would see that as anything besides an attempted rape, which I was able to thwart.'
This came three years after the pair first met when Spacey was the boy's teacher at an upstate New York theater camp.

He was 12 at the time and said that nothing happened between the two, with their sexual relationship instead commencing after a chance encounter at Shakespeare in the Park. 
The victim said he was with his parents, so he and Spacey went off on a walk together through the park.

'He was kind of in high seduction mode and gave me his phone number and asked me to call him,' said the victim.
'He said, "I want to see you, and I want you to come to my apartment." He said he’d always been really drawn to me at the acting classes, but had stayed away because I was 12.'

The teen was in Spacey's bed within 24 hours of that run-in he claims, adding that he was of the impression that the actor was in a relationship with Jenifer Jason Leigh.
'I called him on the phone the next day, and he told me how he was in love with me and wanted to see me,' said the victim.
'I went and saw him at an apartment he was renting on the Upper West Side. He had a black Labrador named Snake. He might’ve been walking that dog in Central Park when we bumped into him that night.'
He then stated: 'We started a sexual relationship that first visit, which mostly involved me f***ing him.'

That very illegal and very illicit relationship was further complicated by the fact that the teen was also sleeping with his cousin, who was the same age as Spacey.
That cousin had also sexually abused the victim's older brother.
At the time however, the victim thought that he was living an adult life, which is an appealing existence to most young teens.
He was also a working actor at the time.

'Of course I have a 24-year-old boyfriend and I’m going out to punk clubs. I’m lying to my parents about all of this,' said the victim.
'And I’m "cheating" on my cousin/boyfriend to go see Kevin Spacey. I’m very caught up in the drama.'

It was around that time that the alleged near-assault took place, and the victim never again saw Spacey.
He had planned to see the actor briefly a year later when the two were both in Williamstown for the famed summer stock of shows, but at the last minute decided against the meeting.
It took him 10 years he said to truly understand the alleged relationship.  'I would call him a pedophile and a sexual predator,' he said of Spacey.

'When I turned 25, I looked at every 14-year-old boy I could see, to try to understand what those men had seen, because I still on some level thought I had been a tiny adult.
'That whole year I was 25, I tried to just see the ones who were like six-foot-two, and 200 pounds — they all looked like children. They all looked like somebody who was 10 years old four years ago. Nobody looks f***able. Nobody.'

That ultimately changed his perspective on who he believes Spacey is, and what was allegedly done to him when he was just a minor.
'Up until then, I just thought about him as somebody who had really done me wrong and tried to rape me, but not as somebody who had functioned as a predator,' he said.
'And then, if you’re interested in sexual predation, you start to read about it, and you realize all these patterns and techniques, and it all kind of falls within a set of practices.'

Must say I like his films
Usual Suspects


American Beauty now must be seen in a different lite NOW
lOVED THE ORIGINAL MEANING OF THE FILM

Wonder if he be flipping burgers shortly

His film '21' is currently showing now on freeview 32


So it appears that the sony movie channel has no problems about it.

Jesus. Do you think everybody should be burning all the negatives of all Spacey's films because it turns out he's maybe  a bit of a beast?

Im surprised he had the balls to go after Tony Montana...

Interesting interview with Uma Thurman on the sex scandal.
Said she'd learned not to say anything when angry but promised to respond when calmer.
Came across as really angry about something.

Always wondered how she got such good gigs.

Only now watching House Of Cards ,currently on Series 4 .......looks like it will be a book with the last 3 chapters missing now.