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why , what has he done.
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The Usual Suspects in the media are quick to condemn him
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Can't post links from my phone , but it's all over the news.
Maybe someone can copy and paste the gist of it. |
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house of cards
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He has been accused of attempted sexual assault against actor Anthony Rapp, who was a 14-year-old child at the time. The Oscar winner denied any recollection of the incident – and then chose to take the opportunity to come out.
- Today's Guardian. The incident occured 30 years ago. |
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Could be more claims from others about Spacey it seems, but this one in the news today.....14yo Broadway star goes to a party at Spacey’s house, where he separates himself by going to the bedrooom..... watches TV for hours.....all other guests leave .....Spacey appears in bedroom and laid on top of him.....he declined the advance and freely left....
So if that is it, is any court going to find a crime here, and he waited 32 years to speak out about this. Apart from the fact he was 14 at the time and I think Spacey was 26. So he waited on an older man’s bed for hours, just to see what happens..... that is how they could easily make it look in court. So if Spacey didn't assault him, not much of a case (?) In his statement today Spacey also comes out as a gay man. I had no idea Spacey was not out. |
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Did he not come out a long, long time ago? It seems like I've always known he way gay.
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Netflix series just cancelled
house of cards maybe more to story |
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"He has been accused of attempted sexual assault against actor Anthony Rapp, who was a 14-year-old child at the time"
Sexual harassment rather than sexual assault AFAIK. |
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No-one has asked Anthony Rapp what the outcome was when he reported it to the police at the time.
Oh, you don't say, we're using new gayer rules, you just have to report it in the same geological era. I must have missed that meeting. |
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"gayer" rules???
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14yo Broadway star goes to a party at Spacey’s house, where he separates himself by going to the bedrooom..... watches TV for hours.....all other guests leave
That seems a really strange thing to do. I think he's missed a few important points out of his story. |
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Having a few drinks and going out on the pull is now "sexual harassment"
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no it isn't
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no it isn't
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Only difference in this alleged incident is the victim is 14. And it's clearly inappropriate to try and pull a 14 year old, especially homosexually
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Rapp's own behaviour would not have been an issue in any trial. Sexual acts between a 26 year old and a 14 year old could would have been statutory offences , so 'consent' is not legally possible and could not be used as a defence.
Anyhow , the statute of limitations expires sex offences quite quickly in most US states . That's why Harvey Weinstein is unlikely to be brought to court. |
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Agreed Tober but it doesn't alter the fact that his actions were strange unless he knew KS very well.
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clydebank - why especially homosexually? Is pulling a 14 year old heterosexual less bad?
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He can always go back to K-PAX.
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PP who said the child was homosexual?
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Statistically it's 98% likely they were heterosexual.
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The main lobbyists and the most vociferous voices in lowering the age of homosexual consent
in the UK were from men over 40. (Tatchell, Mandelson etc). No ulterior motives of course? |
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Clydebank, I'm re-quoting you. "it's clearly inappropriate to try and pull a 14 year old, especially homosexually"
Why is pulling a 14 year old of the same gender more especially inappropriate than pulling one of the opposite gender? |
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clydebank - why especially homosexually? Is pulling a 14 year old heterosexual less bad?
You've suggested by that post that you believe the 14 yo was gay. |
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It's a direct quote from clydebank's post of 9:44, aka. He mentioned the sex of the pullee, not me.
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Heard on the radio,a woman saying that Spacey was wrong to sexually assault someone.Errrr,excuse me,where is the evidence that he assaulted anybody?.Has he been interviewed by the police?.Has he stood trial?.Has he been found guilty in a court of Law?.
totally out of order,Spacey has a case for slander against the woman.If you have not been found guilty in a court of Law.people should not say that you are guilty of something. Does this mean that anybody can destroy anybodys reputation by accusation alone?.Just shows how stupid so called intelligent people are. Guy said the other day,"finally at last women will be believed".Hold on!!!.Women should be LISTENED TO,and if they accuse somebody of something,it should be INVESTIGATED,and if there is considered to be EVIDENCE [NO NOT UNCORROBORRATED EVIDENCE,if it's not corroborated it's TESTIMONY,some people think that giving evidence in court means that what you are saying is FACT,it's not,it hasn't yet been proved to be fact yet.],then and only then,a person should stand trial. And if found guilty,ONLY THEN CAN PEOPLE SAY THAT HE IS GUILTY OF SOMETHING!!!. The rush to judgement by people who don't even yet know the full details of what has even ALLEGED to have happened is staggering. Things are getting seriously stupid.Just think any of you guys[or girls],if you went to a dance or pub one week,saw a person that you liked,and guessed that they might be there the following week,and you went there and stood around eying them up.Hey guess what.You are a stalker!!!.You knew that they would be there the following week and you went there looking for them.!!!!.That's how stupid it's getting!!!.The police used to do nothing about a woman's complaint. Now they and society has gone to the other extreme.Both are wrong. WHEN a person has been found guilty in a court of Law,THEN condemn them.I saw the programme on t.v.called The Fall Bill Cosby, he has been ruined.He was so guilty,that a jury couldn't even reach a verdict as to his guilt.Yet the press and media have already tried and convicted him.He still stands unconvicted of ANY crime. What next?.Wichfinder Generals?.Something is seriously wrong with peoples thought processes.Wait till it's discovered that a person has had there life destroyed,and it is discovered that the were in fact innocent.That's the trajedy and I bet it's just around the corner. |
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He has apologised for the approach which as described could be counted as assault.
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To clarify that I think he is claiming not to remember the exact incident but says if he did act like that then he apologises.
Was a suggestion he was drunk. |
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Pipedreamer so is it your assumption then that Jimmy Saville was an innocent party.
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pumphol,i think you maybe missing the point.A lot of anecdotal evidence against Saville,coupled with a lot of accusations against him.Out of 400 women that came forward,police said that 10 were worthy of inveatigation.
I wonder what was wrong with the other 390 women that came forward with stories?. My point is that it is not difficult out of billions of people in the world to find at least 50 women with mental illness,attention seekers,and money grabbers.remember that many women came forward saying that they were molested by him on TOTP,thus opening the possibility of suing the bbc for money.What percentage is 50 out of a billion. Some people would argue that more that a few hundred would easily be more nearer the mark.So you see,peples rush to Judgement is way out of kilter.Due Process is required,Innocent until proven guilty,Not Guilty until proven innocent. Look at Michael Jackson,the allegation of child molestation came about when the father accused the mother at a custody hearing of allowing abuse of their child.WHAT,DID HE NOT SAY ANYTHING BEFORE THE TRIAL!!!!!!?. I heard the reports of,"a secret room was found",full of videos.WOW SHOCK HORROR.So secret was this room that it was found,and nothing untoward on the videos. So everything explainable.Yet how many people still assert that he did something wrong. The point that I make is that wait till they do it to an innocent person,and remember it can happen to anybody at this rate. It could even happen to YOU!!!.If it does come back and tell me that you don't agree with what I suggest to the route that people should take, and the stance that they should adopt. |
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PP If a 14 year old heterosexual boy is drugged and assaulted/raped by a man it is going to be a lot more traumatic experience to him than if he was drugged and assaulted/raped by a woman. I'd have thought that was obvious.
What is important is the health and well being of the child victim, not whether an adult liberal is offended that the child finds it more traumatic. akabula I wasn't inferring that the boy was homosexual, rather he was the victim of a homosexual assault. |
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14 yr old probably because he wanted to go where no man had been before,
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PP I had the decency to answer your question. If you have the decency to answer mine rather than firing in another question, I will answer yours.
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For semantics lets say address the point I'm making rather than avoiding it.
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If you'd asked me a question I'd have answered it but I can't see one.
Your turn. |
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On second thoughts don't bother. I answered your question and gave my reasoning on my 8.31 post.
In answer to your second question. When a man assaults/rapes a woman he also is highly likely to physically overpower her and can impregnate her. So it's not a valid comparison on that score. Further since no one can be both a man and a woman, it is not a valid comparison on that basis either, as you can only full empathise with one side. The valid comparison is the comparison I have given imo. |
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So you think in the cases of women raping a boy, the boy is not overpowered? If he's forced to take part against his will is there no fear he could be harmed during or after? If he is drugged, are his feelings of powerlessness, guilt, shame etc less than a girl's?
Or is this all some fantasy Porky's style imagination where the 14 year old boy is jumped on by his centrefold teacher, in which case he's obviously well up for it  Genuinely curious as to how you've arrived at this view. |
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still no real smoking gun here on spacey is there.
all the stuff in the papers today seems to suggest he isn't violent or threatening and can take no for an answer and respects that answer. of course the 14 year old thing is a big problem, but no more so than Bill Wyman and Mandy Smith. |