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Lady Faye Verrit
30 Oct 17 11:57
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Moved into my apartment in April '16 and was staggered that up to April '17 my gas bill was almost £1.15k

Ok, so it's LPG as I live in the sticks, but for Christ's sake!!!

This was more than double what I was paying, in a much bigger property, with natural gas.

My place is only just over 1,200 sq ft, and  I don't think I'm extravagant with useage, and don't cook with gas.

So I reasoned that whilst I know electric is not the best fuel for heating I would nonetheless give it a try.

I bought six "Delonghi" 2kw oil filled radiators with electronic controls.

Set them up last weekend and checked the meter.

Just checked again and I've used 251.83 units in one week and we're not in Winter yet!

Cost based on 0.84p per kw is £211.50!!!!

Unbelievable!!!!!

Does anyone want to buy six "Delonghi" radiators?
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Report workrider October 30, 2017 11:05 AM GMT
Not exactly the best way to portray those heaters now is it! a defo no sale imo...Grin
Report Foinavon October 30, 2017 11:11 AM GMT
Electricity costs about 5 times mains gas per kWh (unit of energy).

I don't know how delivered LPG compares but surely not 5 times mains gas?
Report Foinavon October 30, 2017 11:19 AM GMT
You could always buy a windmill for your roof Devil

Ask your LPG supplier what the calorific value is per litre. If they quote in megajoules the conversion rate is 3.6 per kWh.
Report Crisp77 October 30, 2017 11:41 AM GMT
Are they free to a good ohm?
Report Lady Faye Verrit October 30, 2017 12:53 PM GMT
WATT?????
Report Just Checking October 30, 2017 3:21 PM GMT
That suggestion was met with some powerful resistance
Report Jack Hacksaw October 30, 2017 3:24 PM GMT
Do you own or rent?

Are you billed directly for the LPG?

Are you billed through a management company?

Do you know how much per litre you are paying?
Report breadnbutter October 30, 2017 6:45 PM GMT
OP's sums don't seem correct ,0.84p per KWh ?   The average cost is about 17p ish although it's not easy to work out with the standing charges and tariffs that charge first so many units at one price thbut 250 units or 250 KWh are never  the price mentioned .The reasoning that gas is 5 times the cost of electricity is incorrect as well ,electric oil heaters are close to 100 percent efficient ,gas boilers can never be close to that . The houses insulation is also important ,also where boiler is situated ,pipe runs and insulation ,if the underfloor area is draughty and pipe runs long the overall efficiency will be poor but the biggest single factor not mentioned is outside temp ,windchill and of course inside stat temp setting . Too many variables I'm play to make a call .
Report Ibrahima Sonko October 30, 2017 7:23 PM GMT
Like bnb said a kw is around 17p and would cheaper overnight on the correct tariff, also 6 heaters is way too many unless you need to heat bedrooms and that would only be at night.
Report annie. October 30, 2017 7:23 PM GMT
Just to make everyone jealous, as I have said before the only time I switch my electric fan heater on is in the depths of winter.  I think last winter I used about a couple of hours of electric fan heating.  A grand sum of about 34p for the year! I do have 'proper' central heating but I never now switch it on. 

The reason why is because I live in a modern block built just over three years ago and equipped with all the new fangled insulation I expect.  It helps that I am on the second floor surrounded by eight flats, so their central heating  keeps me warm!  Indeed, apart from winter, I have to have my windows open continuously because it is so warm, especially at night.
Report SPOT THE DOG October 30, 2017 7:24 PM GMT
Lady Faye Verrit flex your muscles, tell them where to go.
Report Just Checking October 30, 2017 7:26 PM GMT
Do you keep every room warm? I only put heating on for the first time this winter today!
I wear a jumper, I don't keep unoccupied rooms warmer than they need to be (why would you), keep windows shut in winter, thick curtains, heating bills aren't bad.

It doesn't really matter if an electric heater has oil in it or not it's going to give out the same amount of heat, the only benefit really is evening out the output in a small room OR if the oil has enough heat storage (I quite doubt this) to take heat overnight on an economy power tariff and give it out during the day.

Six of them! It sounds like you really are keeping your entire house warm on electric, that's always going to be the most expensive way, next to burning banknotes, might as well follow a moneytree tip!

(is he still around, not seen him for ages)
Report annie. October 30, 2017 7:36 PM GMT
I have moved around a great deal and I have usually when I have been on my own I have not bothered with the central heating.  I find it inflexible, so I use a cheap electric heater, normally about £25.  I switch it on when I get home and then it heats up the living room while I start cooking etc.  Then it keeps it at the temperature you want all night. I don't bother heating the bedroom unless it is really, really cold.  I think the last time I did this the bill for all year including electric for cooking etc came to £12 a week.  When you consider how much you have to pay just to insure your gas boiler for repairs etc and the cost of the boiler etc, it can be a very cheap option, maybe if your central heating isn't working.
Report betting_masta October 30, 2017 7:38 PM GMT
buy  a wooly jumper and a few more pairs of socks imo
Report Just Checking October 30, 2017 7:46 PM GMT
Is there a "fragrant" smell coming from your next door neighbour, lights on all hours, and a strange electric cable running out your window? :)
What does your power meter do when everything is switched off?
Report Just Checking October 30, 2017 7:54 PM GMT
Another tip, is your hot water REALLY hot? If you've an immersion heater and either it's set too high, or the thermostat is gone, it could be sitting burning virtually 3kw 24/7.
Report Just Checking October 30, 2017 7:59 PM GMT
Or even not on a timer, or timer is set to too many hours or switched to manual? An immersion heater can burn through the leccy fast, had issues myself.
Report pxb October 30, 2017 9:31 PM GMT
Turn everything off until meter no longer moves, then turn things on to see what is using the electricity. It should be obvious.
Report breadnbutter October 30, 2017 11:22 PM GMT
Under sink non vented on demand water heaters are becoming popular ,a much better option than keeping 150/200 litre water tank hot ,even if heat losses are offset against heating bills in winter. ,similar to old style light bulbs helping with heating ,them old 150 light bulbs prob kept many a pensioner alive in the winter ,especially a partial sighted one   Grin  but at the  money an undersink on demand is way to go ,more efficient than boiling kettle .
Report Lady Faye Verrit October 31, 2017 9:32 AM GMT
Ok, a bit of an update....

0.84p per Kwh is a figure as quoted on several internet sites.

Yesterday I managed to speak to n-power, and I was told that the typical consumption of these rads is 0.34p per hour.
So, considering I have six it soon multiplies to long money!

I own the apartment, which is self contained, with private entry, and is approx 40% of the lower ground floor of 'The Hall', and with cellars to the remainder.

It is "Regency" and part of a large country estate, and plus six substantial three storey properties in 'The Mews'.

There is bulk LPG storage in the grounds of 'The Hall', which also serves my place, and three of the mews houses, with the remainder being on oil.

My boiler is a 'Combi' and is in my garage, and all pipework is well insulated.

I have only one outside wall, which is circa 60 cms thick, and four large, double glazed windows 165 x 110 cms.

My bath is enormous but I'm not one for lying in the bath, so shower most of the time.

I admit to liking to be comfortable, and usually wear just shorts and a T shirt in the house.

Central heating isn't efficient, heating just parts of the house, as it has to work harder, because heat is lost to the unheated rooms!
Ok, I have some set to a slightly lower temperature, as a token.

So that's me!! Happy
Report lfc1971 October 31, 2017 9:54 AM GMT
Is it not possible to be comfortable in a pullover?

also when I last lived in a flat I had been renting for less than a year, can't remember exactly , when I thought to myself These bills are too high .
the meters of all flats were housed in an outbuilding so I got a key and investigated .
The serial number on my bills were the serial number to a different flats meter .

phoned the gas company and I didn't have to pay anything for about a year if I recall as had been paying for someone else's flat
But then again how long had this been going on for with previous tenants , possibly years ?
Report Get me a drink October 31, 2017 10:11 AM GMT
Here's a thought. How about air conditioning with a heat pump? Expensive and messy to install, and you get potentially unsightly pipework and outdoor units, but you get much more heat per kW consumed than electrical resistance heating. I believe by a factor of 3 or more?

With the added bonus of you get cooling on hot summer days/nights.
Report Jack Hacksaw October 31, 2017 10:15 AM GMT
Lady,

You didn't say whether you knew how much you were paying (via the common LPG  arrangement) per litre for your gas.  I guess there is a residents association or management company

That is pretty fundamental and you should probably find out!

LPG supply is like the wild west.  Caveat emptor and all that.

Check Money Saving Expert - Bulk LPG thread for some background info if you are bothered about how much you pay.
Report TheBaron October 31, 2017 10:28 AM GMT
bill for all year including electric for cooking etc came to £12 a week

£600/year!

Me £360/annum  For electric and gas. Central heating on as much as I want.

Modern efficient boiler, LED lights, good insulation and it helps to have windows facing South. Last week about 10c outside, I had the window open and was sunbathing on the Sofa.
Report Lady Faye Verrit October 31, 2017 11:08 AM GMT
Yes Jack....

41.5p per litre + vat

Rip off standing charge of 12.34p per day + vat!!!

I took it upon myself to get alternative quotes and three were significantly less.....

Problem is that the owners of 'The Hall' have 18 months still to run on a lease contract!

Calor are Prima Donnas, as their name has become a generic term, and many will say "Do you have Calor gas"? instead of LPG!
Report Jack Hacksaw October 31, 2017 11:16 AM GMT
Think some mugs were in charge of sorting the gas out to still be under contract for 18 months at that price.
Report Lady Faye Verrit October 31, 2017 11:26 AM GMT
Yes Jack....agreed!

I thought of being self sufficient, with bottles, but the price is off the scale!
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