The EU are taking the yellow snow colourant

We need to agree to what sum they want and not dare question it.

If we dont the unelected man working for them will not say there is 'sufficient progress' to start the real talks.

It should put anyone else off daring to leave.

They might miss our 17% of EU GDP and massive net contribution to their failed project.

As an Australian, I find the EU asking for 80 billion because that's how much of future UK contributions they already budgetted to spend as bizzare. Really just blackmail. The UK should ask for it's net contributions back from the EU for the last 40 years.

Usual brex**** I see.

The EU hasn't mentioned a monetary figure.  The UK agreed to the format of the leaving negotiations. 1) What the liabilities of the UK are with the cost of these to be calculated later 2) What is the position of UK/EU citizens 3) Irish border issues.

They keep saying that they can't do 1) until they know what the future trade deal is.  That is quite obviously nonsense.  The two are entirely separate issues.  There might be an argument about 3) and future trade, but that isn't the blockage.

The blockage is that the Tory party is split and can't conduct negotiations.

More nonsense.  The EU negotiation guidelines were proposed and agreed by the 27 countries not by "eurocrats". 

Why can't the UK agree what it owes or doesn't owe?  It isn't difficult.  If the negotiations were breaking down because the UK and the EU couldn't agree about that, fair enough.  But they aren't.  They are breaking down because the uk won't discuss what is owed unless trade talks start.

Does anyone on here seriously expect our/other agenda driven 'news' agencies to report responsibly or even accurately on either side??

If the EU were on a rolling contract that expired and each session inside it was a new agreement then the UK could have just run down the agreement.
That isnt what is happening, the UK are breaking an agreement that they signed into, its expected that the party breacking 'contract' will get punished isnt it?

What is May even doing going there tonight??

They can come to us if they're bovvered. As for the 'divorce bill' (which has NO legal basis), give them a round pound coin and ask for change.

"The EU keep rejecting every offer we make because they dont want anyone else to leave their gang."

The only "offer" was Treeza saying that she would pay membership fees for two years if the EU let the UK stay in for another two years (while completely ignoring the actual negotiating framework). 

Davis hasn't provided the EU with any position papers on the UK's leaving bill.

Davis is holding firm on not giving into EU demands over the money, and repeated his line from last week’s press conference that officials went through the EU’s financial demands “line by line” in order to get the best deal from taxpayers

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/
david-davis-brexit-divorce-bill_uk_59aed637e4b0354e440ce5b5

The EU provided the papers that Davis went through line by line but has not responded with their own documents and continues to insist that future trade is linked to the leaving bill.

Mr Davis admitted there was still "much work" to be done, but said there had been movement on divorce issues, including a "rigorous examination" of the financial settlement by UK officials.

The Brexit Secretary also highlighted how some withdrawal issues were "dependent on discussions on our future relationship"


http://news.sky.com/story/michel-barnier-says-no
-brexit-progress-amid-very-disturbing-deadlock-11077391


Davies and Treeza are quite obviously taking the position that we aren't paying a leaving bill unless we get a trade deal.  With Davies playing for time by not actually negotiating.  That is the cause of the blockage.

Now Treeza is going to Brussels tomorrow to beg the EU to change their mind.  They won't and Treeza will be hit with a vote of no confidence in the House.  Many of her own MP's will abstain.

lol Because Davies agreed to sort out the other issues before trade!  That is why the negotiations are deadlocked.  This isn't difficult stuff.

it's worth pointing out that the EU is doing this because there are absolutely no visible signs that we are preparing for no deal.

there would need to be myriad projects going on in, which would be visible to all, for us to be ready to take that option.

so our bluff, and it is just that, is being called and they are being obstructive because they know our threats are hollow. Bernier's job is to get the best possible deal for the EU and he is doing just that. May and Davies are hopeless while Jeremy Heywood probably doesn't even want brexit.

Dave if there is no deal we have to pay a zero 'divorce bill' unless we offer money just for the sake of it.

In all seriousness if we had the right people running the show we would start with a demand for £20BN and go from there.

Not a chance we owe them a penny.

If we agreed that "big figure plucked out of the sky" is due, then we have to pay the figure.  Why would you think there is any connection to winding up the finances of EU membership and future arrangements?  This is why Treeza's intervention was idiotic.  She just said we'll give you £40bn for a transition period and the EU basically said fine we'll have that but first let's sort out the leaving bill, "what do you agree you owe or don't owe and why?".  Davies has refused to do that for entirely party political reasons.

As I say, we need the right people. First rule of negotiation is position.

Where should Davis and May be? London. They can come here. If they want dosh let them beg.

#leavingthebuilding

For the umpteenth time "if we have to pay zero" then Davies should set that out in a document.  He hasn't done so and that is the cause of the stalled negotiations.

of course it was mentioned before

...the germans will be begging for a deal to avoid tariffs ....we were told

Davis is decent but soft. Only Moggy will deal with these fascists. Sadly May is so frightened of his intelligence she wouldn't dare give him a job.

Dave no one who wants to leave is in the least bit interested in what Dougan had to say because he is one man on a mission. He is pro-EU so of course he takes their side.

Please link the documents that prove we have pay for future projects that we get no benefits from and that Davies must tell them exactly what we have to pay before the trade deal is done.

A document?

Link please to this.