Eating meat is the same as paedophilia

What he should have said, is that keeping intelligent, curious animals in horrific conditions for their entire life, before they meet their grisly end, is as bad as paedophilia.

Then he should have enclosed a link to the nauseating video, "The film the meat industry don't want you to see"!

What he should have said, is that keeping intelligent, curious animals in horrific conditions for their entire life, before they meet their grisly end, is as bad as paedophilia.

Because if he said that he wouldn't come across as a complete and utter cretin.

and if he had said "that keeping intelligent, curious animals in horrific conditions for their entire life, before they meet their grisly end, is as bad as paedophilia"

Then that would have been the kind of simplistic pseudo-scientific bunny-hugging claptrap usually posted by kenny.

Meat eating is with us whether we like it or not.
Best way to get people onside is to accept that whilst trying to make them aware of the horrific conditions some animals are kept in.
Once people are aware of this it might make them think twice about consuming meat.
Getting angry with them aint gonna win many converts.

It is actually. He's converted more people to vegetarianism than most other people, if not all other people.

You got proof of that Kenny?

ffs know it all blackbarn has arrived.

yes, if you call the internet proof.

    I was a vegetarian before I became a fan, but it is a big part of why I admire him.

    In an interview it was said that Meat is Murder converted more people into vegetarianism than any other statement ever. I wouldn't be surprised.

    I'm curious to know if the phrase meat is murder was actually invented by him, or if it was said by anone before him. Does anybody know?
     

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    I turned vegeterian because of Moz!
    Interesting that you say England is the country with most veggies, I'm not sure if that's true:p

Akabula - You don't eat meat do you?  Given this, I guess your suggested approach is reasonable if your aim is to persuade others.

Kenny - Yep its me.   Remember, the first or second forumite to welcome you back onto the forum after your ban. You even acknowledged the fact!!! Anyway I look forward to the debates.

Meat eating is with us whether we like it or not.
Best way to get people onside is to accept that whilst trying to make them aware of the horrific conditions some animals are kept in.
Once people are aware of this it might make them think twice about consuming meat.
Getting angry with them aint gonna win many converts.

Exactly waht I suggested he should have said.

His heart is pure gold.

Yes, I remember blackbarn, sorry to call you a know it all but you do seem patronising at times.

Kenny's attitude towards paedos and sex offenders has always been worrying but the stuff he has come out with today is on another level. Comparing negligence towards domestic animals with abuse of children is abhorrent. Sickening stuff.

That's no proof Kenny.
Lot's of his fans will say this but in reality then who knows.

Kenny - So you remember now, after posting. Never was a poster more in need of patronage and guidance.  You haven't learnt a lot have you, nor are you ever likely to listen to alternative views. I'm out.  Thanks.

Sickening how so few people care about the welfare of the animals they eat.

Particulary SD who has consistently displayed that he DGAF.

Some won't care and others won't know.
Tis the latter we should be targeting.
Those that don't care are beyond words.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNtStsw3rMo

Appreciating the simple things in life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IypL_EcI9XE

Whilst others appreciate the finer things in life.

I see your opening post has been taken down, Kenny. It now looks as if I started it.

So it has Foinavon. So it looks now as though that was my statement. How very odd.

To clarify, my opening post was

I think Morrissey phrased that badly

Never have I condoned paedophilia. I think it's shocking and abhorrent. Same as the way many animals are treated.

Give yourself a good shake Kenny FFS.

Morrissey on jOOLS NOW

Thanks for the warning.

Morrisey, the singular most depressing thing I have the misfortune to encounter , albeit by  technology.

To illustrate hoe confused not so Shrude Dude is.

He half agrees with this satement of mine.


What he should have said, is that keeping intelligent, curious animals in horrific conditions for their entire life, before they meet their grisly end, is as bad as paedophilia.

Because if he said that he wouldn't come across as a complete and utter cretin. Crazy

Then later, after I have posted that there is no way I condone paedophilia, he tells me to give myself a good shake,

To illustrate hoe confused not so Shrude Dude is.

He half agrees with this satement of mine.


What he should have said, is that keeping intelligent, curious animals in horrific conditions for their entire life, before they meet their grisly end, is as bad as paedophilia.

Because if he said that he wouldn't come across as a complete and utter cretin. Crazy

Then later, after I have posted that there is no way I condone paedophilia, he tells me to give myself a good shake,

Kenny, a lot on here are with you mate, sadly school children think meat comes from supermarkets, good night mate

The Smiths were cool dudes

The first vid brilliant Kenny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQSysdJbdGY

Cheers guys, I'll have alook at that later aka'.

^ He's just saying that... Is

I'm with you on animal welfare stuff.... Something has got to be done !

I didn't agree with any of your statement Kenny.

You compared issues such as factory farming and battery chickens with the sexual abuse of  children which is a cretinous thing to do.

I still think you need to give yourself a shake. Hopefully rattle some sense in to you. That comment wasn't in response to your next post as I would have quoted it. It's a ridiculous thing to say and just as bad as the moronic "meat is murder" that your type come out with.

Heaven forbid Morrisey might compare owning a pet with slavery. We'd see your hypocrisy in full action there if that were the case.

Have to admit I've stopped eating leg of lamb ! I found it quite upsetting seeing the poor little three legged sods in the fields

The first vid brilliant Kenny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQSysdJbdGY

FORGOT ABOUT THAT, BLOODY BRILLIANT.

Had fried hake for dinner today, is that OK Kenny?

I don't what his life was like but I suspect he had a swimmingly good time while it lasted.

*know

As long as it wasn't farmed hake, no problem

I've no idea, Kenny. It was bought from a wet fish stall at the Bullring Market. These fishmongers have a wide selection of unfilleted marine fish varieties which I hope were caught in the wild. Are they required to label farmed fish as such?

Wild....I bet he was livid !

Have a look here, I'm not sure.

https://www.ciwf.org.uk/your-food/fish/

Jesus Foinavon. You're no better than guys who buy jailbait pornos and then aren't sure whether the girls in them are under age.

Thanks, Kenny.
I copied this paragraph from that site which mentions the main varieties which are farmed. I choose not to eat any of those and they are the ones usually found filleted and pre-packed in supermarket freezers.

Farmed fish are reared in large numbers in crowded enclosures. These may be situated on land or in rivers, lakes or at sea. The vast majority of Atlantic salmon and rainbow trout consumed around the world are farmed intensively. Other species commonly farmed include carp, catfish, sea bass, and tilapia. 

You are right, shrewd-dude, I will have to take more care to ask about provenance before buying.
There's usually a throng of people around the stall so I usually stand back and send in Mrs F to elbow her way to the front.

If I can help somebody as I pass along,then my living shall not be in vain

no trips to the supermarket for you... you're banned

It is actually. He's converted more people to vegetarianism than most other people, if not all other people.


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You got proof of that Kenny?

Here you are mate.


Morrissey was and still is one of the faces of vegetarianism, all because of The Smiths' second album, fittingly-titled "Meat Is Murder," which contained a song of the same name. Morrissey probably single-handedly converted more people to vegetarianism than any other one person. He was one of the people who brought this issue to the mainstream, and he wore this cause on his shoulder like no other. Many fans, after hearing that album, gave up meat for life and that's pretty amazing when you think about it. A pop-rock song about vegetarianism is something that no record company would ever push for, especially when the live version of the song was accompanied by a video backdrop of animals being slaughtered and abused.

All the venues at Morrissey shows have to go vegan or else he'll pull out of the show. In fact, there was one time where Morrissey was due to appear on a U.S. late-night talk show, but he pulled out after finding that one of the guests was going to be a cast member from the show "Duck Dynasty," a reality show about duck hunters. The animal rights organization, PETA, campaigns at all of Morrissey's shows because his fans are so dedicated to this cause, just like their idol. After The Smiths' song, "Meat Is Murder," Morrissey continued to address animal rights throughout his solo career as well with songs like "The Bullfighter Dies," which contains lyrics like "hooray, hooray / the bullfighter dies / and nobody cries."

So, not only did Morrissey attract an army of adoring fans from the '80s to the present, but he attracted fans of every demographic. Sure, Elvis and The Beatles had plenty of male, heterosexual fans, but those fans wanted to be like Elvis, Lennon or McCartney, none of them wanted to kiss or hug them like they did with Morrissey. Morrissey attracted fans who would do anything for him. They would (and still do) stage invade, they wore oversized glasses, they adopted his signature hairdo, they waved flowers at his shows, they despised the British royals like he did, they wrote letters to him, they got Morrissey tattoos and they kissed the ground he walked on. Sure, all those things are nothing new, but the fact that he converted so many people to vegetarianism is a pretty remarkable accomplishment, especially for an entertainer.

Full article
https://www.theodysseyonline.com/why-morrissey-fans-are-unlike-any-other-music-fans-2478671607.html

I know it says "probably" but that's all the proof I have.

btw my opening post which dicn't agree with the header was removed. Very strange indeed.

Yes I noticed that Kenny.
I still think that the stand he takes with his outrageous statements alienates more people than attracts.
The thread heading is in my opinion disgusting and I could never stand on the same platform as him.

Here's one reason to give up eating meat.
And there's plenty more where that came from.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nujyif7MkMA

And consuming cows milk gets a pasting in the video below. The really interesting figures are included between 31:20 and 34:20, but the whole video is interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJvrlwnEqbs

Morrissey should have said this. " keeping intelligent, curious animals in horrific conditions for their entire life, before they meet their grisly end, is as bad as paedophilia."

And he would then be 100 percent correct.

Are they gruesome Dr?

Must admit I've never seen that Morrissey interview with Jonathan Ross. Always interesting to listen to Moz but jeez he makes it so obvious he'd rather be anywhere but sitting on that sofa .  That Youtube clip sent me down the usual rabbit hole and I ended up with this amazing clip from an 80s panel show called Eight Days a Week

Here we have a very young George Michael, with a young Morrissey and not-so-young Tony Blackburn critiquing various songs and films of the day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1ZMi3cPzUg

I think GM and Moz come out quite well here, but as for Tony Blackburn

The Ross interview is hilarious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXVtaYCDoLo

Not at all Kenny, they're medical videos produced by vegan doctors.

ok thanks Dr, unlike Desert Pilot's.

Good to see you back DrC.

Thank you akabula.

Tuna or pork?

The Leeds team around 1970 was one of the best I've seen. Recall one game against West Ham where they must have strung 50+ passes together without reply.  If they hadn't been managed by a total head-case, who knows how far they could have gone?  Though I suppose the head-case contributed to their success.  And I guess Johnny Foreigner bribing the refs in their European matches didn't help.

Bodil, was this meant for the football forum?!

Not reading all this but what a pathetic comment.
I'm sure you would think differently had you been preyed upon.

Not reading all this but what a pathetic comment.
I'm sure you would think differently had you been preyed upon.

Yes, stupid post deserves stupid response

See 5/10 start of thread wmc.

Oops, just went off the headline

Callisto-moon
Not reading all this but what a pathetic comment.
I'm sure you would think differently had you been preyed upon.

Nobody on here said that CM. The OP (Kenny who's post was removed) was quoting Morrissey.

Aka is right. I didn't start this thread and the title is now out of it's original context.

Nor do I agree with it, I am not a vegetarian.

I am a vegetarian but I don't agree with either.
Fair to say no one on here does.

I didn't know you were a veggie aka', (or I'd forgotten)  Is that for health or compassion reasons?

Apologies Foinavon. ;-)

that Meat is murder album   made a  lot of folk look up  but it was mainly celebrities and singers /rock stars that were veggie back then  ... veggies were thin on the ground  in 1985 .

Apparently,  Morrisseys MIM album converted more people to vegetarianism than anything before .

I never play the title track, it's sh1t.

might well have done Kenny ...  few places really catered for veggies in the 80s and even 90s ..even today most veggie options in pubs etc are abysmal  i used to pop into places like holland and barrett which had a deli counter back then to get veggie pies etc while friends went in  BK and McDonalds etc   ... there was a veggie restaraunt  in my town which had survived since 1967 but was frequented by meat eaters.... the veggie food as i recall was really GOOD   ...finally closed it's doors in 2002  as the ladies who ran it decided to retire

mousse...Meat is Murder was like a one off project album i think...it didn't feature any of his singles i remember ..How soon is now ? wasn't on there  yet it still managed #1 in the album charts

Aye, the first 9 tracks are brilliant.

It is difficult when you compare two wrongs is it not

No one thinks paedophilia is good, quite rightly.

Eating meat is something humans have always done, it is an excellent source of protein.

The problem is the conditions we keep the animals in and the way we kill them


I would like to be a vegetarian but like most am probably too weak, some animals are just too tasty for their own good!

I donate to compassion in world farming to try and salve my soul

We can eat and use animals

As long as the animals are kept in natural conditions and have a stress and pain free death.


It is still a bit of a cop out, but better than nothing.


I bet on NH Racing as well, I need lots of forgiveness.

I feel sorry for those who love the taste of meat but somehow feel bad about eating it   ....but  the real name of the game is to be a vegan of course .

veggie is a food choice (or) you simply don't like the taste of meat (most common reason i'd say)  ,veganism  is  taking a real stance against animal cruelty

I cannot disagree coachbuster

well done if you do

Uble ... well done any vegans i say too,  but i fall at the milk  hurdle    so i have NO right to lecture a meat eater and wouldn't  . Also i love veggie food and dislike meat so it's of zero sacrifice for me to be veggie .

you can still disagree with farming practices and opting for say  meat that's produced (more) humanely for example  ..British meat production far better than in the old days  ...  free range eggs etc is another area  that's gotten better ...supermarkets took a lot of persuading to promote free range  as it's all about costs and unit price .

yeah ,that Morrissey quote was badly phrased  ..  normally he is pretty astute  ...he is sure a funny guy too

Enjoyed my lamb today



Whoops wrong thread

as the carol goes

'bring me flesh and bring me wine'

would you deny that poor old freezing peasant?

you really are a silly lot - especially ones who like verminous predators who massacre the local bird population

a happy carrot to you all

dan - leg of lamb is after the turkey today and gammon tomorrow

may all of you go in peace

murderer

yeah but they love to defend predators and are vermin also  - losing sight of the obvious - and I quite like cats and have had several  but don't lose it over the 'worship the carrots' slant on this issue

that should read - defend predators that are also vermin

now on the last act of SWAN LAKE  - you know they ALL die at the end

roast swan all round

a good answer Moisock

If you look at nature Herbivores who do not eat meat....they have to eat all day, continually eating.

A carnivore who eat meat, eat only once every few days, should tell us something about the comparable nutritious

values of meat and non meat


To make everybody vegetarian I think we need to improve both the nutritious value and TASTE of non meat products.


I am now going to watch a recording of Wilder v Fury, I think they are both meat eaters

and think of the sh!t they would produce

give me a pterodactyl pie any day

Wilder v Fury still a draw..oh well


pterodactyl pie??????
they went extinct 65 million years ago...and you have still got a supplier Moisock???

wink - nudge

Does not eating Pork make a person more likely to be a Pedo ?

I was told by an Aghan refugee many many years ago that the reason Muslims did not eat pork was because pigs were dirty and promiscuous. How absurd was that? Am I not right Muslims are allowed 4 wives at any one time?