Las Vegas Shooting

dave you need to get out more,its starting to eat you up
seek professional help

he blew a million a night video poker

Oct 9, 2017 -- 7:09PM, terry mccann wrote:

dave you need to get out more,its starting to eat you upseek professional help

rofl I'm not the one who spends their life looking at youtubes from truther websites.

dave1357
09 Oct 17 18:56
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Sorry but I'm not going to give clicks to a conspiracy video on youtube.

Re your 6.22 response.  Do you agree that the guns and ammo he bought were in his room?  You think that the police are lying/somehow mistaken about him bringing the guns to his room over several days?

The have not said that anywhere I have seen. They have said there were 17 guns in his 'room'. I have not seen them state that Paddock took those guns up his suite and second room over several days. Maybe I missed that.

The Las Vegas police stated there was a possibility of an accomplice.

The point is, as yet, we do not know what happened.

Your refusal to examine the waveform audio analysis of the gunshot suggests you are not interested in looking into what happened.

Why bother to comment at all if you are not interested into looking at the case from all angles?

I suspect that if May or Clinton or Corbyn or Trump or Junker or Clegg or Kim Jong-un or Bush or Major or Blair made a statement saying that the sky was green Dave would believe them.

Why do you suspect that? Or do you think that is a funny joke?  Are your fanboys meant to come along and go ha ha ha nice one "green sky".  You must be the life and soul down at your local.

So this is a lie

Investigators were “very confident that there was not another shooter in that room,” McMahill said. But they were continuing to investigate “whether anybody else may have known about this incident before he carried it out.” McMahill said they had reviewed surveillance camera footage from the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino and “not located any other person that we believe to be a suspect at this point.” He told CNN that Paddock brought 23 guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition to his hotel suite on multiple trips over several days.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/10/06/las-vegas-gunman-left-behind-trail-of-carnage-and-clues-but-no-clear-answers/

Washington Post

Seriously Dave? Come on.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/norman-solomon/why-the-washington-posts_b_4587927.html

@IT I don't get the point of you bringing WMDs into this.
Absolutely no correlation between the two things.

I notice you never ever show/quote an original source. It is always a MSM report.

So are you saying that

Investigators were “very confident that there was not another shooter in that room,” McMahill said. But they were continuing to investigate “whether anybody else may have known about this incident before he carried it out.” McMahill said they had reviewed surveillance camera footage from the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino and “not located any other person that we believe to be a suspect at this point.” He told CNN that Paddock brought 23 guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition to his hotel suite on multiple trips over several days.

this is untrue?

What parts are you saying are untrue and why?

Let see what that says:

“very confident that there was not another shooter in that room,”

He booked a suite and another adjoining room. Or was comped it. So I am not sure what he is referring to. Also notice he is not saying there is no other shooter. Just not in that 'room'.

continuing to investigate “whether anybody else may have known about this incident before he carried it out.”

Ok fine. Lets wait to see what happens there.

they had reviewed surveillance camera footage from the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino and “not located any other person that we believe to be a suspect at this point.”

Havent located? what does that mean. They have another suspect but cannot find them? They have no one else they suspect? Meaningless. Notice no footage has been released. After 7/7 remember the CCTV footage of the suspects? Why none here of this man taking bag after bag up the lift etc?

He told CNN that Paddock brought 23 guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition to his hotel suite on multiple trips over several days.

Again lets see the footage. The MBC is riddled with cameras.

Now we have the reports from Grenfell tower , and the people who claimed that a child was thrown from the 4th or (th floor and caught below ,
Now it seems there was no child , people said they saw it , but what is interesting is this .
The BBC are now pretending that the people who said they saw this are not liars ,
Why are the BBC running this story , the BBC would not allow any story such as this that was to show these people to be liars .
So they have decided that although it seems they didn't see any such thing they are something else ,
But not liars .

the truth gets distorted and the conspiricists are kept busy for a lifetime

some folk grow rich on aliens, ghosts, prehistoric monsters in lakes and visions of saints.

It seems foolhardy to me to back oneself into a corner regarding statements of fact at this stage, labelling people deluded conspiracy theorists might just come back to bite you on the backside.

The evidence of my own ears tells me that speculation of more than one shooter is perfectly plausible - the audio does sound like crossfire some distance apart. This might not be the case, of course, but ridiculing those of that opinion comes across as blinkered stupidity. The sheriff seems open to the possibility of an accomplice, I fail to see why this should be such a contentious issue.

The sheriff has just held a press conference where he categorically stated there was no evidence at all of a second shooter or any other accomplices. He was very explicit in this and repeated it twice to get the point across. I'm still keeping an open mind, but given that this is almost the exact opposite of his comments two days ago it's easy to see why people lean toward conspiracy theories.

Personally I'd now like to see him address the clear audio of multiple gunfire. I could accept an explanation of faked recordings, dodgy sound reproduction etc, but to say nothing at all about it (whilst also claiming there is no evidence to suggest a second shooter) doesn't sit well with me.

News now all over the place on second shooter issue. CNN just interviewed witness who was adamant he saw and heard at least two independent lines of gunfire. Very strange!

Latalomne    04 Oct 17 21:33 
33 of the 47 guns found across the various locations were purchased within the last 12 months....  Plain



Yep, I read this too. But then you get the Police Chief stating on TV that the guns had been accumulated over decades !!

I suppose you have to cut the police chief some slack as he's obviously under intense pressure. I was quite shocked on his press conference this morning though, it was like he'd had a complete change of mind.

Not seen that, I'll catch up. Thanks.

He booked a suite and another adjoining room. Or was comped it. So I am not sure what he is referring to. Also notice he is not saying there is no other shooter. Just not in that 'room'.


yeah that's right, he knows that there was another shooter in the adjoining room and he uses precise language to cover that up, so when challenged about he can say "no, no, I said that room"

Obviously, they are going to investigate whether anyone else was involved and it is indeed possible that he had an accomplice but the logistics of the attack do not require anyone else.  And the issue of a second gunman will be easily resolved by forensics of various kinds, not by suspect youtube videos.

Again lets see the footage. The MBC is riddled with cameras

Do you seriously think that the police have footage of co-conspirator(s) and are hiding this for operational reasons?  Firstly the co-conspirator(s) would know that the police were obv lying so surveillance of them would be largely pointless and secondly the absolute priority would be to remove a danger to the public.  There might conceivably be footage of Mandalay employees helping him at some point but that isn't of any real relevance other than the inevitable liability court proceedings.

Latest news report in the Nevada News:

"The gunman’s first victim in the mass shooting on the Las Vegas Strip wasn’t a festival-goer attending the concert below but a security guard in the hotel where he was staying.

Metro Police said that the suspect, 64-year-old Stephen Paddock, opened fire on a security guard at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino who had gone up to the 32nd floor to investigate an alarm set off by an open door. The door in question was not the suspect’s room.

But security guard Jesus Campos — whom police have credited with guiding them to the gunfire’s origin — heard a drilling noise coming from Paddock’s hotel suite and, while investigating, was shot by the suspect six minutes before the shooter opened fire on the crowd at the Route 91 Harvest music festival. Police said the purpose of the drilling was unclear, though it was possible the suspect intended to place a camera or rifle in the hole, which was located near the door to the hotel suite.

Metro Sheriff Joe Lombardo acknowledged the timeline has shifted, noting the complexity of the investigation that has so far continued to baffle investigators."

Very strange. So after all the stuff about working out where the shooting was coming from by using guests reports of how loud the gun shots were etc. it turns out by the time the massacre begun they already had a security guard on the floor outside the room with a gunshot wound.

Anyone considered that gunman used two weapons simultaneously or had one set up too fire independently ? The shot security guard story is looking like it could be blue on blue or self inflicted ,seems no one else read the story about paddock complaining to hotel security about being kept awake in the days preceding incident ,paddock complained twice about music coming from downstairs room and was subsequently moved into the room he allegedly carried out the attack .                                                                                                                                                                            So did the FOBT RAGE kick in after this and he popped back home for his 47 guns and 10k rounds or did he just move them from room to room ?      Same report mentioned him being a "starer" ,watched people playing FOBTs and his MO was jumping in and playing there machine when they went for a p!ss or for a coffee ,this was reported by various people from diff casinos ,also mentioned his stare being unnerving ,although it did carry a bit about a player who was on a machine next to him prior to incident saying he asked what he had when player shouted/hollered out ,he told him he had a royal flush and paddock just looked up and said "nice" and then continued playing . Had some stories about him being short with his gif in public ,moaning about her wanting to use his casino card for coffee when she had her own and some other casino workers saying he was a bad un but overall not much real tangible info appearing .

The shot security guard story is looking like it could be blue on blue or self inflicted

wat?

seems no one else read the story about paddock complaining to hotel security about being kept awake in the days preceding incident ,paddock complained twice about music coming from downstairs room and was subsequently moved into the room he allegedly carried out the attack .         

link?

No motive coming out. His finances will likely give the game away. Highly unlikely he made millions from real estate or gambling. Especially the latter.

Highly unlikely he made millions from real estate or gambling

How?

Hopefully, we'll get a fuller picture soon, or find some kind of explanation, otherwise the conspiracy theorists are going to come up with god knows what.

It boosts the self esteem of some people to shout "False Flag" or call others "Sheeple".  It makes them feel special for once in their lives so lets not be too harsh on them.  I try not to be condescending and make allowances for their condition.

Was going on the info on here about a single shot through door being correct but now saying he opened up with an  automatic firing  2x100 round clips through door after the security guard investigated drilling beside the door ,cameras were not connected they are saying so looks like he was interrupted and started killing spree earlier a than planned ,saying he tried to buy tracer ammo but shop did not have any . So single shot through door is not correct and blue on blue theory not a goer .                                                                                                                                                       Dave ... I got story off of a link on the wiki page ,there is about 100 and can't rem which one it was that had the story about paddock staring at peeps and jumping on machines when people left them for toilet/coffee breaks .

I can't get my head around the camera thing.

Does he have a screen to monitor the hallways whilst unleashing mass murder down below?

Why? To not be stopped I guess. Bit Hollywood.

Surely You put the bed up against the door and when Plod does their thing you turn around and unload your multiple weapons on the door. Or as in his case, you say, ok I'm done and shoot yourself.

Don't get that at all.

Saying the initial investigation was a door open alarm so prob a fire door or roof access door ,maybe plan was to escape via fire escape or onto roof ,saying he was a heavy drinker ,alcohol/gambling just don't mix and looks like mental health issues , of course the focus will be on guns but other issues need visited and still some bits missing about like how in the hell was he gambling so much money and spending so much his time in casinos .looks like it could have been even worse if he had not been interrupted ,or if he had tracer bullets. , think it's just one every so many rounds in a clip so fire can be directed easier ,they burn up giving off a glow I think . Most of the injuries look to have resulted from people scrambling to escape and are relatively minor but 58 dead by an alcohol addled FOBT raged loser is ridiculous and completely unacceptable .

breadnbutter ".... and looks like mental health issues"

That is what they are saying, he had severe mental health issues. Even if it was insanity, things happen for a reason, something made him snap. Millions of people have mental health issues but don't commit mass murder.

Millions of people have mental health issues but don't commit mass murder.

You've gotta love this stuff

Police said at the time that after injuring the guard, Paddock stopped firing into the crowd.
But now police say that Paddock shot Campos in the leg at 9:59 pm on 1 October. They say the guard was investigating an alarm that went off in another room on the same floor.

Deffo sumthing not adding up about this Guy being wounded only in the Leg ,the whole story has now changed,doesn,t look like he was shot through any door ,after being shot he called reception to say what had happened

I've figured it out.

It was committed by the Shy People's Liberation Front...only thing is they're too embarrassed to claim responsibility.

Here's an updated account of the events in the hotel:

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-20171009-story.html

and an article on Paddock's video poker advantage play

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-gambler-20171009-story.html

Walton said Paddock played 24 hours straight that day in 2007. Before the drawing, Walton wandered over to look at the 4-foot-by-4-foot drum holding all the tickets to the drawing to size up his chances at the $100,000.

Those hopes were diminishing quickly.

“Every ticket on there I saw through the mesh said ‘Stephen Paddock. Stephen Paddock. Stephen Paddock,’” Walton said.

“He won.”

You should know gamblers mention their winners/winnings and not the losers. Casino would have banned him if he was a consistent winner not give him free holiday suites. Moving house 27 times was also likely to be money laundering. Where did the money really come from and did they get their monies worth in the end ?

Dreadful. Imagine being caught up in that carnage, hardly bears thinking about. Just awful.

howard he def could have been a winner for a substantial period, whether he was recently only the casinos can say and they won't say "he was a huge loser" as an obvious motive is created.  Most of the edge comes from promos and comps - maybe he had been barred from these so another possible motive for anger.  Re laundering there still has to be a primary source of illegal income.

Just a small point of order about jumping in on somebody else's machine when they visit the lavatory: a player can press a button if they need a comfort break, a steward will come over and reserve your seat.

Is it possible that the non-echo shooting that sounded like it was from further away was Paddock firing inside the building at this security guard? That would sound quieter than shooting at the window towards the crowd.

King Louis    10 Oct 17 21:07 
Just a small point of order about jumping in on somebody else's machine when they visit the lavatory: a player can press a button if they need a comfort break, a steward will come over and reserve your seat.



What a wonderful and thoughtful service. It must be nice knowing when you go to the toilet, the seat is nice and warm !

Very good point IT. What about the audio where the two volleys of gunfire (one loud, one quieter) overlap though mate?

IT
T
Isn't the latest information , that the guard was shot, before Paddock ( ?) commenced shooting into the crowd ?

Didn't I also read that the police were alerted to which room ,because the fire alarm was going off,, having been set off by the smoke coming from the guns he was firing from within the room ?

I think there's more to it than what we're being told but we won't find out unless it fits the US governments agenda

I've been watching all the videos on YT, some crazy some not so crazy, and a few are mentioning another incident at The Bellagio where the lobby windows were shot out and people were panicking. Was that all made up?

There is zero actual footage of any damage at the Bellagio.

This is footage showing it was on lockdown which you would expect given the situation at the MBC and the police scanner at the time.

cops are now saying he shot guard before the mass killings not after it firing over 200 rounds,do they make it up as they go along,nah surely not

It is quite easy to see why they got that wrong - he was shot when they arrived and Paddock had stopped shooting by that time.  They wouldn't know when he was shot exactly till they checked all the timings.  The only question it raises is whether they should have got to the floor quicker than 15 minutes after the guard was shot.  When did Mandalay security call them, were they diverted by the reports of shooting at the concert and elsewhere?

so he fires 200 rounds though the door at this guard names campus who had gone up to floor 32 because another guest had left their door open,anyway shoots campus in the leg,leaves the guard rolling in pain and then WAITS 6 MINUTES BEFORE FIRING INTO THE CROWD,AND WHY WOULD WOULD IT TAKE SO LONG FOR THE COPS TO ARRIVE AFTER ALL THAT SHENANNIGINS?

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-timeline-revised-20171009-story.html

Here is the revised timeline of the incident, as police now understand it:

9:59 p.m.: Hotel security guard is shot by Paddock on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino.

10:05 p.m.: First shots fired on music festival. This was seen on closed-circuit television from the concert venue.

10:12 p.m.: First two officers arrive on the 31st floor and announce that the gunfire is coming from directly above them.

10:15 p.m.: The last shots are fired by Paddock.

10:17 p.m.: The first two officers arrive on the 32nd floor.

10:18 p.m.: Security officer tells police he was shot and gives location of the gunman’s room.

10:26-10:30 p.m.: Eight additional officers arrive on the 32nd floor and begin to move down the hallway, clearing every room and looking for any injured people. They no longer hear gunfire.

10:55 p.m.: Eight officers arrive in the stairwell at the opposite end of the hallway nearest to Paddock’s room.

11:20 p.m.: Officers enter the room. They see Paddock on the ground and a second door that could not be accessed from their position.

11:27 p.m.: A second breach is set off, allowing officers to enter the second room. Officers quickly realize there is no one else in the rooms and announce over the radio that the suspect is down.

13 mins after shot guard until first 2 cops came to wrong floor.

Only 2 of them and there is a hundreds of rounds being fired so they need backup.

^ The account the police have given seems to have changed dramatically from the first timeline/report. And previously they said the guard’s arrival in the hallway may have caused Paddock to stop firing.

A senior judicial analyst said on Fox News, "The guard should have been carrying with him a recording device -- a device which would have allowed the head of security or somebody in security to listen in – was shot at 200 times by an automatic weapon - That should have triggered an enormous response.

And what about the hallway security cam, this was 6 minutes before he started firing into the crowd."

Also being reported now: "Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock fired special "incendiary" bullets at a 43,000-barrel fuel tank in what investigators believe was an attempt to cause an explosion, two law enforcement sources told CNN.

Those types of rounds, meant to ignite what they hit, were found inside Paddock's room."

He was certainly intelligent and meticulous in his planning.

65 minutes between stopped firing and they entered the room. Seems a long time.

They even had the wrong day he checked in ?? How can any investigative information be trusted when they didn't even know that ?

a) they presumably would claim that they would have stormed the room if he resumed shooting, but there is no way to tell if that is true.
b) I read that he checked in but didn't enter the room for a couple of days.

btw not all vegas casinos have full camera coverage in the room areas.  Casinos are primarily interested in protecting their own money, so gaming areas are their primary focus.

Nothing makes sense , If the Guard had informed people he was shot they knew what floor the Shooter was on

Lots of confusion, which is to be expected in this situation, but now this disclosure in the Los Angeles Times: "Before the Las Vegas massacre began, a wounded Mandalay Bay hotel security guard called hotel officials to warn them about a gunman on the 32nd floor, an investigator told the Los Angeles Times on Tuesday.

There are high-speed elevators to the 32nd floor. But police did not arrive at the room where the guard had been shot until after Stephen Paddock had finished a 10-minute shooting rampage."

Police reply was: "Compiling the sequence of events in the hallway, has not been the priority for us.”

A lot still makes no sense.

maybe the shot security man blacked out for a short while, or was sent to hospital
before being interviewed by investigators , who went on to give first interview before
gaining full facts.

the security guy must have know 1000 rounds had not been fired when he went to investigate alarm

known

so after the new York terror attack we have plenty of cctv and videos within hours but still not one from Las Vegas,hmmmm!

This you Terry?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/26/las-vegas-shooting-conspiracy-theories-social-media

I find it a little odd dave that's all what with all them cameras and all that there

Nov 2, 2017 -- 7:02PM, terry mccann wrote:

so after the new York terror attack we have plenty of cctv and videos within hours but still not one from Las Vegas,hmmmm!

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000005794914/las-vegas-gunman-planned-massacre.html

still f uck all and there always will be. told something without any proof and you still believe,well why wouldn't you believe after all their other lies there will never be any proof but so what already

rofl Terry says there isn't any video.  Video produced.  Terry won't look at it.

Answer these questions Terry:

Did he book the rooms where the shooting took place?

Did he buy the guns and ammo that were found in that room?

Did he bring the luggage containing those guns up to his room?

Amazing how calm it all is and how well planned , even down to the surveilance cameras on the dining carts

And yet apparently without motive (according to Plod).

Does there have to be a clear motive? 
As one of America's favourite sons once wrote

They wanted to know why I did what I did
Well sir I guess there's just a meanness in this world.

A planned mass shooting without a motive?

what is a serial killers motive outside of killing for pleasure?
i'm sure there is a motive of sorts but maybe not anymore than wanting to shoot people. maybe in his mind he
had a motive, maybe a deluded one, who knows. I'm just suggesting that maybe the plan was the plan & not
much else beyond it.

There is always a motive.  More than likely extreme misanthropy and rage that the angles he used to profit from gambling had been eroded to the extent that he was now a loser.   What people like Injera are upset about is that he isn't some sort of left wing or Islamic terrorist.

Doubt he ever had an edge ,maybe just in his own head ,gamblers lost in the moment of  adrenaline addiction pathalogically lie to themselves . The story about him having nearly all the tickets for the 100k draw sounds like one of those arcades that you win tickets for a prize after losing a fortune and end up with a 99p stuffed  fluffy toy ,or landfill as I call them . The story about him dissing his so called gif because she wanted to use his casino card for a free coffee speaks volumes of his mindset ,looks like the free coffee is a myth as well .   Why he did not run amok in the casino itself and picked on music fans could probably be down to the music preventing him from sleeping at some time previous and paddock blaming it for lack of sleep leading to losses imo ,he was on them solid ,must of been a zombie when he stopped ,drinking heavy as well .            Be interesting to find out where the cash came from .

Chit chat poster clueless - who'd have thought? 

He had an edge through promos and comps.  These machines can pay out 99%+ on perfect play so it doesn't take much in the way of promos and comps to have an edge.  When I first went to LV about 20 years ago there were some machines that paid 100%+ with perfect play and others with progressive jackpots that paid 100% when the jackpot reached a certain amount.

Over the years the promos were cut back and the pay tables tightened.  So he began to lose and probably also made mistakes through drink and age further reducing any possible edge.

The New York Times pasting his many visits to the casino all together,what a load of b0ll0ocks Dave.

the title of the video is How the Las Vegas Gunman Planned a Massacre, in 7 Days of Video


what were you expecting mccann? A 100+ hour video.

mccann--you've obviously forgotten that you've already conceded
that the vegas shooting has been cleared up and you've apologised
for doubting it.

The seemingly impressive figure generated big headlines.

“Las Vegas shooter declared $5 million gambling winnings,” Slate shouted.

“Las Vegas gunman earned millions as a gambler,” CNBC.com declared.

What followed were intriguing, but admittedly inconclusive reports on the video poker gambling activity of mass murderer Stephen Paddock. In recent days he’s been described by his girlfriend as “a kind, caring, quiet man” and by those who watched him in casinos as an antisocial alcoholic who qualified for a millionaire’s credit line because he played poker slots like a fiend.

When Paddock turned up downtown, he played for days at a stretch and caused enough of a stir to be remembered by veteran casino employees. On the Strip, he worked both sides of Las Vegas Boulevard, slamming multiple machines like a dervish, and occasionally winning tournaments. He piled up the comps and was welcomed as long as his bankroll held out.

He pumped up to $100,000 per hour through the machines, some media outlets breathlessly reported, apparently not fully appreciating the fact most of those machines had an extremely high rate of payout. Paddock amassed gambling “winnings” of $5 million in 2015 verified in IRS forms, but the number is misleading. Casinos by law issue issue a Form W-2G titled “Certain Gambling Winnings” to players who score jackpots and winnings subject to federal income tax withholding.

But that’s not the tax form that’s sure to intrigue investigators. Former top IRS Criminal Investigation special agents interviewed this week just shrugged at the publication of that $5 million figure. It’s all but meaningless in determining whether Paddock was money ahead, treading water, or sinking like a stone.

For that information, Form 1040 Schedule A is essential. One check under the heading “Other Miscellaneous Deduction” for gambling losses will reveal a lot about Paddock and whether the former accountant and one-time IRS employee was much of a  “professional gambler,” as his brother described him, or just a deeply troubled person with a vicious video poker jones and enough money to keep it fed.

Former IRS Criminal Investigation Special Agent in Charge James Dowling, managing partner of the Dowling Advisory Group, has more than three decades investigating and analyzing financial crime and was the anti-money laundering advisor to the White House Drug Policy Office under President George W. Bush.

“How much did he have in losses?” Dowling asked. “I can put $100,000 into a slot machine and hit a $20,000 jackpot, but where am I at? I’m down $80,000.”

Paddock gambled at a level and pace most recreational players never approach. In a game that provides entertainment for many and a pathway to compulsive gambling problems for some, the vast majority of players fall into the category best described by the late casino executive Bob Maxey, who once told me, “Video poker players aren’t gambling. They’re renting space.”

Paddock’s relentless play generated perquisites at several Strip resorts, where he was known as a “low seven” player (as in low seven figures),” Las Vegas Advisor publisher Anthony Curtis says. After generating a quick profile of the killer’s gambling habits, gambling expert Curtis has been interviewed by a crush of media. He’s tempted to consider Paddock as much a comp hustler as a pro at the top of his game.

But more information is needed. Like the former federal agents, Curtis also knows the bottom line isn’t how much a player generates in W-2G slips. It’s losses that are actually revealing.

“The dynamics of this are really important,” Curtis said. “When someone says he bet a million a night, he could do that starting with a few hundreds dollars. This is all about the semantics of it. If he had $5 million in W-2Gs, those were his jackpots. These were the sum totals of his jackpots. He might have had another 50 times more in intermittent winnings, and probably and maybe 200 times more in losses along the way.”

Curtis publishes how-to books by experts on getting the most from the machines. It isn’t easy to come out ahead, but the right strategy and taking advantage of all the perquisites available can help generate value that others miss.

Dowling hesitated when asked about the likelihood of most video poker “pros” keeping ahead of the odds over the long haul.

“I do know those machines use random number generators,” Dowling said, “so if there’s a strategy, it’s certainly outside my purview.”

With multiple casino sources reporting Paddock had plenty of losses on the Strip to go with that $5 million in jackpot wins, it leaves one former federal financial crimes expert asking a tough question:

“At the end of the day, can you explain all his income?”

Not until you get to the real bottom line, and even then the only numbers that will ever really matter are 58 and more than 500.

John L. Smith is a longtime Las Vegas journalist and author. Contact him at jlnevadasmith@gmail.com.

you what JML?

Dave with under 300 views it must carry a lot of clout

think we have video now terry of the shooter bringing the guns to his room
you questioned that before did you? maybe someone else

why did the FBI take away all the cctv etc never to be seen again? why haven't we seen any from the big night? you know just to clear the air as now so many are asking questions(but not on here of course)

so you agree terry, you were wrong about the footage, there is footage of the gunman bringing the suitcases and guns to his room, you were wrong about that?
now of course you might want footage of him firing the shots as well
that might convince you I suppose, anythings possible
nevermind you were wrong

did you see the guns? just one little gun? nope!

ah, I knew I could rely on you terry, ok

@breadandbutter I linked that article earlier in the thread.  What is your point?  He would have one years ago because it was possible to win.  It isn't now so he was a loser.

@Terry lol

*won

mccann--you've obviously forgotten that you've already conceded
that the vegas shooting has been cleared up and you've apologised
for doubting it.

You really don't rememember that you've already given the vegas shooting
the all clear.

no I really don't,perhaps you will refresh my memory

I'd noticed even before the Las Vegas shootings that Mr McCann lapped at any conspiracy theory bullsh1t like a dehydrated dog at a puddle, he was at it in the Las Vegas shootings thread, and of course all over this howl at the moon (Laugh) stuff.

I shudder to think what I'd find if we went back as far as say Madeline McCann threads!?

Is there any conspiracy theory he doesn't believe in?



your reply was



j.c ,yes they've cleared up the vegas shooting now with all the pic and videos of Paddock,im sorry I doubted it

time and date please

i"ll play the game with you

your a seriously damaged individual mccann.

a perfectly innocent video in a NY paper leads to this response


The New York Times pasting his many visits to the casino all together,what a load of b0ll0ocks Dave.




i suggest you get a close family member to read what you have written on
this and the moon thread and hopefully they'll know the best place to go to get help.

in your mind you haven't written anmythming you are ashamed of so there should be no problem
with showing family members.

W.A.C. Keep taking the pills my son.

What have to lose mccann?

this from the boris thread


ufcdan

Lfc once the life support machines are turned off, sadly it's curtains Sad


mccann


all this is to take our minds off what really is going down


totaly incapable to accept things for what they are,even switching a life support
machine off is somehow a diversionary move.


if that's not a seriously sick mind i'd hate to come across one.

it wasn't in reply to the last post,very sad that someone has to go to the depths to make a bad point