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22 Aug 17
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41007444
The Football Association should conduct "a comprehensive and independent review" into Eniola Aluko's claims against England boss Mark Sampson, says anti-racism campaign group Kick It Out.
The footballer, 30, has accused Sampson of "bullying and discrimination".
Sampson, 34, has been cleared of wrongdoing by two investigations and vehemently denies Aluko's claims.
But details given by Aluko in a BBC interview on Monday "throw new light on the allegations", Kick It Out said.
The Chelsea Ladies player alleges Sampson made a "racist comment" about her family in Nigeria being infected with the Ebola virus. Sampson vehemently denies saying this.
The FA said the allegation arose in informal correspondence and was not included in Aluko's subsequent complaint, or it would have been investigated.
A three-month independent investigation by barrister Katharine Newton did not uphold any of the complaints and cleared Sampson and the FA of any wrongdoing.
Aluko, however, has claimed the investigation and a previous FA inquiry were "flawed".
The FA denies this and says Aluko, who has played 102 times for England, declined to respond to the Newton investigation.
She has not been picked by Sampson since making allegations against him as part of an FA cultural review into England management.
The FA has insisted the timing was purely coincidental as the review was confidential and anonymous.
But Aluko claims she suffered "victimisation as a result of me reporting discrimination".
"The situation regarding this is now one of utter confusion with claims and counter-claims," Kick it Out said, pointing out Aluko's comments were contrary to what the FA was saying.
"Kick It Out urges the FA to undertake a comprehensive and independent review of the processes involved in the original complaint made by Aluko up to the final point of the independent investigation by Katharine Newton QC.
"This is so they can take on board any lessons learned, to remedy any deficiencies identified and to ensure it has an operational culture that treats any individual, whatever their background, equally, fairly and with dignity and respect.
"The FA must ensure a situation like this will never happen again in order to build trust, confidence and credibility."
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41007444
The Football Association should conduct "a comprehensive and independent review" into Eniola Aluko's claims against England boss Mark Sampson, says anti-racism campaign group Kick It Out.
The footballer, 30, has accused Sampson of "bullying and discrimination".
Sampson, 34, has been cleared of wrongdoing by two investigations and vehemently denies Aluko's claims.
But details given by Aluko in a BBC interview on Monday "throw new light on the allegations", Kick It Out said.
The Chelsea Ladies player alleges Sampson made a "racist comment" about her family in Nigeria being infected with the Ebola virus. Sampson vehemently denies saying this.
The FA said the allegation arose in informal correspondence and was not included in Aluko's subsequent complaint, or it would have been investigated.
A three-month independent investigation by barrister Katharine Newton did not uphold any of the complaints and cleared Sampson and the FA of any wrongdoing.
Aluko, however, has claimed the investigation and a previous FA inquiry were "flawed".
The FA denies this and says Aluko, who has played 102 times for England, declined to respond to the Newton investigation.
She has not been picked by Sampson since making allegations against him as part of an FA cultural review into England management.
The FA has insisted the timing was purely coincidental as the review was confidential and anonymous.
But Aluko claims she suffered "victimisation as a result of me reporting discrimination".
"The situation regarding this is now one of utter confusion with claims and counter-claims," Kick it Out said, pointing out Aluko's comments were contrary to what the FA was saying.
"Kick It Out urges the FA to undertake a comprehensive and independent review of the processes involved in the original complaint made by Aluko up to the final point of the independent investigation by Katharine Newton QC.
"This is so they can take on board any lessons learned, to remedy any deficiencies identified and to ensure it has an operational culture that treats any individual, whatever their background, equally, fairly and with dignity and respect.
"The FA must ensure a situation like this will never happen again in order to build trust, confidence and credibility."
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Aye, all those lads swept under the carpet for years while this one gets 80k for a poor joke, and seems to want more. Justice only seems to work for a few.
I think Ms Aluko needs to be very very careful.
She is a trained lawyer, so presumably knows what is and isn't libellous. However, to go public with accusations about Mark Sampson, that have already been addressed by an FA and then an independent enquiry, seems stupid.
Furthermore, she refused to take part in said enquiries and did not bring these accusations to the attention of these enquiries. She admits her reaction was to laugh at the 'Ebola' retort that Sampson purportedly made (he denies it) - which was surely the reaction it was intended to provoke!
It is not a fact that because something happens subsequently it happened consequently, so she appears to be skating on thin ice, linking her dropping from the England team to a supposed racist slur.
She is a trained lawyer, so presumably knows what is and isn't libellous. However, to go public with accusations about Mark Sampson, that have already been addressed by an FA and then an independent enquiry, seems stupid.
Furthermore, she refused to take part in said enquiries and did not bring these accusations to the attention of these enquiries. She admits her reaction was to laugh at the 'Ebola' retort that Sampson purportedly made (he denies it) - which was surely the reaction it was intended to provoke!
It is not a fact that because something happens subsequently it happened consequently, so she appears to be skating on thin ice, linking her dropping from the England team to a supposed racist slur.
Often the case lately that when a player is dropped or a cyclist not selcted for the Olympic team then accusations fly.
I like listening to Aluko in the media but she's done herself no favours here. People are so quick to use the bullying and racist words. Why be so sensitive??
If she did indeed get £80k 'hush money' then that is a disgrace.
I like listening to Aluko in the media but she's done herself no favours here. People are so quick to use the bullying and racist words. Why be so sensitive??
If she did indeed get £80k 'hush money' then that is a disgrace.
Say 'boo' to the wrong goose and you're done for, these days. 
football teams are covering up false accusations of racism, remember the Clattenburg case
there were accusations also regarding cautions on the football pitch, and in relation to police cautions.
but it is important to know what was said exactly, people can become confused and take offence at something said innocently.
it might be essential for people at some point to record everything that is said to protect themselves.
but it is important to know what was said exactly, people can become confused and take offence at something said innocently.
it might be essential for people at some point to record everything that is said to protect themselves.
"you need to investigate the investigation"
ffs the world has gone mad
ffs the world has gone mad
The FA has admitted the mixed-race player was not spoken to during the two investigations it commissioned. It says it has not investigated the alleged Ebola remark, described as a “racist joke” in a letter from the PFA to the governing body, because there was no formal allegation.
rogerthebutler
22 Aug 17 16:20
I think Ms Aluko needs to be very very careful.
She is a trained lawyer, so presumably knows what is and isn't libellous. However, to go public with accusations about Mark Sampson, that have already been addressed by an FA and then an independent enquiry, seems stupid.
Furthermore, she refused to take part in said enquiries and did not bring these accusations to the attention of these enquiries. She admits her reaction was to laugh at the 'Ebola' retort that Sampson purportedly made (he denies it) - which was surely the reaction it was intended to provoke!
Pants on fire Roger? Did you make that up all on your own?
rogerthebutler
22 Aug 17 16:20
I think Ms Aluko needs to be very very careful.
She is a trained lawyer, so presumably knows what is and isn't libellous. However, to go public with accusations about Mark Sampson, that have already been addressed by an FA and then an independent enquiry, seems stupid.
Furthermore, she refused to take part in said enquiries and did not bring these accusations to the attention of these enquiries. She admits her reaction was to laugh at the 'Ebola' retort that Sampson purportedly made (he denies it) - which was surely the reaction it was intended to provoke!
Pants on fire Roger? Did you make that up all on your own?
Aug 22, 2017 -- 12:36PM, Whisperingdeath wrote:
The FA has admitted the mixed-race player was not spoken to during the two investigations it commissioned. It says it has not investigated the alleged Ebola remark, described as a “racist joke” in a letter from the PFA to the governing body, because there was no formal allegation.rogerthebutler22 Aug 17 16:20I think Ms Aluko needs to be very very careful.She is a trained lawyer, so presumably knows what is and isn't libellous. However, to go public with accusations about Mark Sampson, that have already been addressed by an FA and then an independent enquiry, seems stupid.Furthermore, she refused to take part in said enquiries and did not bring these accusations to the attention of these enquiries. She admits her reaction was to laugh at the 'Ebola' retort that Sampson purportedly made (he denies it) - which was surely the reaction it was intended to provoke!Pants on fire Roger? Did you make that up all on your own?
The FA said it was unable to investigate the allegations in the letter because Aluko had not made a formal complaint as she could not corroborate them.
It also pointed to her refusal to participate in the subsequent independent investigation by barrister Katharine Newton.
Sampson is a bit of a tool, and I quite believe that he made some ignorant remarks. However, I don't see what Aluko is trying to achieve. 80 grand is a lot of money to be paid, just because someone made a stupid joke. She should be thankful that she got that much. She has received a fair amount of money for kicking a ball about for over a decade, and now she wants more. If she is a qualified lawyer then her earning potential should be better than most. She should concentrate on making a career out of that. Although her judgement in this matter suggests that she might not be very well equipped for a career in Law. Incidentally, how long does she believe that an international football career should be. After 11 years, I would have thought that her playing days would be coming to an end anyway. Despite her own obvious sense of entitlement.
I heard her interview this morning on Radio 5, and it seemed very half-hearted, as though she herself wasn't convinced he had done anything wrong.
The fact that there has already been a 3 month enquiry, seems to suggest that she has been "persuaded" to keep it going
by the "kick it out" hierarchy, and the Beeb are happy to go along with it.
The fact that there has already been a 3 month enquiry, seems to suggest that she has been "persuaded" to keep it going
by the "kick it out" hierarchy, and the Beeb are happy to go along with it.
If he did make the remark it surely isn't racist anyway.
He was talking about an appalling disease that was, to my recollection, rife at the time in Nigeria and white people were getting it as well. If a white woman had relations in nigeria he would have said it anyway. It was probably a stupid joke and the fact that she confirmed that she laughed at the time, and it was about three years ago, confirms it. Even if he was serious then maybe he was concerned for her health and the health of the team as it is highly contagious.
He was talking about an appalling disease that was, to my recollection, rife at the time in Nigeria and white people were getting it as well. If a white woman had relations in nigeria he would have said it anyway. It was probably a stupid joke and the fact that she confirmed that she laughed at the time, and it was about three years ago, confirms it. Even if he was serious then maybe he was concerned for her health and the health of the team as it is highly contagious.
There should be an investigation into why she was paid £80k when it was concluded from the independent investigation which took place that Sampson had done nothing wrong.
Very true Clydebank!
Why was she paid and who paid her and why!
Why was she paid and who paid her and why!
Latest is you cannot wear a skin tight blouse and wave your arms around like a schoolgirl without ripping it and looking like an even bigger pr@t when you put your blazer on to cover it up. 
£80k what a joke, I`d happily be verbally abused on an industrial scale, for just half that.
The point is why was she paid 80 Large and why is the person who paid her still in the job?
Secondly why didn't the Barrister interview her or the " mixed race midfielder " at the centre of the allegation?
So who paid the Barrister? Why was she paid for not doing a thorough job and why is the person who paid her at the FA still employed by them?
CLYDEBANK29
23 Aug 17 20:28
There should be an investigation into why she was paid £80k when it was concluded from the independent investigation which took place that Sampson had done nothing wrong.
Are we all singing from the same hymn sheet here at last? One question though. How was it concluded that Sampson did nothing wrong when the person at the center of the allegation was not interviewed?
Secondly why didn't the Barrister interview her or the " mixed race midfielder " at the centre of the allegation?
So who paid the Barrister? Why was she paid for not doing a thorough job and why is the person who paid her at the FA still employed by them?
CLYDEBANK29
23 Aug 17 20:28
There should be an investigation into why she was paid £80k when it was concluded from the independent investigation which took place that Sampson had done nothing wrong.
Are we all singing from the same hymn sheet here at last? One question though. How was it concluded that Sampson did nothing wrong when the person at the center of the allegation was not interviewed?
To pay out £80k implies guilt. (please can someone offend me - happy with 20 bags..)
To clear Sampson is therefore contradictory.
To have a second enquiry implies incompetence and a large degree of pedantry.
Teacup..storm....in..a..
To clear Sampson is therefore contradictory.
To have a second enquiry implies incompetence and a large degree of pedantry.
Teacup..storm....in..a..
so it's ok to pay someone £80,000?
Lets just brush it under the carpet?
Lets just brush it under the carpet?
hope Aluko donating her £80k to an Ebola based charity after all her sole motive was principal
kick it out,black person involved,womens football,femmiist brigade, no one at the bbc can keep stop shaking with the excitement,yet 99,9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the population want to no whats for tea
Whispering - nope it's madness. Just as it's madness when an employee gets compensated when they trip over a crisp packet at work.
Strange times indeed.
Strange times indeed.
Absolute madness!
If they give away £80,000 then they should not receive any Government and Tax Payer money!
The FA have a case to answer and they will be infront of MP's in The House soon enough. I hope they come up with some answers.
If they give away £80,000 then they should not receive any Government and Tax Payer money!
The FA have a case to answer and they will be infront of MP's in The House soon enough. I hope they come up with some answers.
when the England players celebrated their 1st goal with him last night,aluko tweeted her disgust,sounds like a right cannt of a women,for any future partner,friend,employer one to be very wary of
will the new coach be forced to pick her or be accused of racisim by kick it out if he doesnt
May 2016: England forward Eniola Aluko is asked to participate in a cultural review of all England teams by the FA's technical director Dan Ashworth.
December 2016: An independent investigation, led by barrister Katharine Newton, follows the FA's internal inquiry. Aluko - a qualified lawyer - claims that during a meeting in 2015, Sampson made a "highly inappropriate remark" with "derogatory, racial and prejudicial connotations" to an unnamed player, asking how many times she had been arrested because she was of mixed race.
March 2017: The independent review clears Sampson and his staff of wrongdoing but Aluko is paid £80,000 in a confidentiality agreement, which the FA insists was to avoid disruption to England's Euro 2017 campaign.
7 August 2017: Leaked details of the allegation made by Aluko emerge in a newspaper.
8 August 2017: Aluko confirms a complaint was made and she had reached a settlement with the FA earlier in the year. She adds she has "not quit the England team", despite not having played for over a year.
16 August 2017: Further details of the context of Aluko's allegations are revealed, including the accusations that racist remarks were made.
17 August 2017: The FA publishes a summary of the independent report's findings - in the form of a letter to Chelsea player Aluko - written by barrister Newton. It stresses again that the investigation "did not uphold any of Aluko's complaints and found no wrong-doing on behalf of the FA or others."
18 August 2017: Sampson said he welcomed the investigation and would be looking to improve his communication style.
21 August 2017: Aluko speaks to the BBC about the allegations for the first time. She accuses Sampson of making a racist comment to her ahead of an England game. After telling Sampson she had relatives coming from Nigeria to watch the game, Aluko claims Sampson replied: "Well make sure they don't come over with Ebola."
22 August 2017: The FA maintains its support of Sampson while the Professional Footballers' Association backs calls for a new investigation into how Aluko's complaints were handled.
5 September 2017: Sampson speaks publicly for the first time about the allegations and says his conscience is clear.
11 September 2017: Senior FA executives are told they will face a parliamentary inquiry over the investigations into Sampson's alleged "bullying and harassment" of Aluko.
12 September 2017: Sampson appears to contradict evidence he gave to the inquiry when he says he cannot recall ever having a conversation about Ebola with Aluko. England captain Steph Houghton says the manager retains her support.
14 September 2017: The FA says it could re-open its investigation into racism claims against Sampson after further evidence is submitted.
18 September 2017: England striker Jodie Taylor says the squad are now closer together following the allegations against Sampson.
19 September 2017: England begin their World Cup qualifying campaign by beating Russia 6-0. The players publicly celebrate with Sampson on the touchline.
^^^^^from bbc.co.uk
something not right somewhere , lets hope parliament gets to
the bottom of it.
December 2016: An independent investigation, led by barrister Katharine Newton, follows the FA's internal inquiry. Aluko - a qualified lawyer - claims that during a meeting in 2015, Sampson made a "highly inappropriate remark" with "derogatory, racial and prejudicial connotations" to an unnamed player, asking how many times she had been arrested because she was of mixed race.
March 2017: The independent review clears Sampson and his staff of wrongdoing but Aluko is paid £80,000 in a confidentiality agreement, which the FA insists was to avoid disruption to England's Euro 2017 campaign.
7 August 2017: Leaked details of the allegation made by Aluko emerge in a newspaper.
8 August 2017: Aluko confirms a complaint was made and she had reached a settlement with the FA earlier in the year. She adds she has "not quit the England team", despite not having played for over a year.
16 August 2017: Further details of the context of Aluko's allegations are revealed, including the accusations that racist remarks were made.
17 August 2017: The FA publishes a summary of the independent report's findings - in the form of a letter to Chelsea player Aluko - written by barrister Newton. It stresses again that the investigation "did not uphold any of Aluko's complaints and found no wrong-doing on behalf of the FA or others."
18 August 2017: Sampson said he welcomed the investigation and would be looking to improve his communication style.
21 August 2017: Aluko speaks to the BBC about the allegations for the first time. She accuses Sampson of making a racist comment to her ahead of an England game. After telling Sampson she had relatives coming from Nigeria to watch the game, Aluko claims Sampson replied: "Well make sure they don't come over with Ebola."
22 August 2017: The FA maintains its support of Sampson while the Professional Footballers' Association backs calls for a new investigation into how Aluko's complaints were handled.
5 September 2017: Sampson speaks publicly for the first time about the allegations and says his conscience is clear.
11 September 2017: Senior FA executives are told they will face a parliamentary inquiry over the investigations into Sampson's alleged "bullying and harassment" of Aluko.
12 September 2017: Sampson appears to contradict evidence he gave to the inquiry when he says he cannot recall ever having a conversation about Ebola with Aluko. England captain Steph Houghton says the manager retains her support.
14 September 2017: The FA says it could re-open its investigation into racism claims against Sampson after further evidence is submitted.
18 September 2017: England striker Jodie Taylor says the squad are now closer together following the allegations against Sampson.
19 September 2017: England begin their World Cup qualifying campaign by beating Russia 6-0. The players publicly celebrate with Sampson on the touchline.
^^^^^from bbc.co.uk
something not right somewhere , lets hope parliament gets to
the bottom of it.
ftp - that response from her was disgusting I thought. It was a black woman who scored and led the celebration towards Sampson as well.
The bloke's been hounded out I'm afraid.
The bloke's been hounded out I'm afraid.
All the signs of a cover up by the F.A., not for the first time.
From donny's post the extent of Aluko's complaint is the ebola joke.
It's a bit like when foot and mouth was rampant here and farmers etc had to wash their boots to stop the spread of the disease.
If I went to Nigeria and someone there said 'don't bring f&m here' would that be racist?? I just can't see it. It's a geographically apt comment.
We know 'racially profiling' someone is now deemed to be racist which again makes no sense. The Japs are great at making electrical goods, the French produce amazing wine, the English are obese, Germans methodical, Americans loud etc etc...
It's a bit like when foot and mouth was rampant here and farmers etc had to wash their boots to stop the spread of the disease.
If I went to Nigeria and someone there said 'don't bring f&m here' would that be racist?? I just can't see it. It's a geographically apt comment.
We know 'racially profiling' someone is now deemed to be racist which again makes no sense. The Japs are great at making electrical goods, the French produce amazing wine, the English are obese, Germans methodical, Americans loud etc etc...
You can almost tell just by looking at her pictures she has the Dianne Abbots about her.
Thoroughly unlikeable individuals imo
Thoroughly unlikeable individuals imo
Once the witch hunt started, he must have known his position was untenable. Unequivocal support from the team, and a 6-0 opening win, are no match for the the kick it out team once they start their crusade.
injera
i'm pretty sure he isnt racist, but clearly lacks a bit of tact
he probably thinks he is being funny, some folk will take to him
and others will not...he had a nice job, and was doing a decent
job of improving the team.
football teams and clubs are notorious for infighting and his
lack of experience of that has probably let him down.
the last manager was supposedly hounded out by some players husband
and i wonder if there might be some settling of scores going on?
i'm pretty sure he isnt racist, but clearly lacks a bit of tact
he probably thinks he is being funny, some folk will take to him
and others will not...he had a nice job, and was doing a decent
job of improving the team.
football teams and clubs are notorious for infighting and his
lack of experience of that has probably let him down.
the last manager was supposedly hounded out by some players husband
and i wonder if there might be some settling of scores going on?
Agreed donny. I doubt many managers have this 'tact' you speak of!
I thought the response from the players after the first goal was telling. Sampson was clearly moved.
I know of a previous England Women cricket coach who had all kinds of problems. Players getting off with each other and the oppo as well. It was an impossible situation and he left. The media kept silent for obvious reasons.
I thought the response from the players after the first goal was telling. Sampson was clearly moved.
I know of a previous England Women cricket coach who had all kinds of problems. Players getting off with each other and the oppo as well. It was an impossible situation and he left. The media kept silent for obvious reasons.
most have enough tact not to upset the players elected rep
gullet tried it at newcastle and was soon gone
gullet tried it at newcastle and was soon gone
Mark Sampson has been sacked as England women's manager following evidence of "inappropriate and unacceptable" behaviour in a previous role.
The Football Association says it has only just been made aware of details of the allegations made against Sampson when he was Bristol Academy boss.
A 2015 FA safeguarding assessment found Sampson did not pose a risk.
Sampson was also cleared this year of wrongdoing following discrimination allegations made by England players.
The 34-year-old Welshman became England head coach in December 2013 after leaving his role as manager of top-flight side Bristol Academy, now renamed Bristol City Women.
The FA said safeguarding allegations were made a year later, but "the full report of that investigation was only brought to the attention of the current FA leadership last week".
The statement added: "It is our judgement that it revealed clear evidence of inappropriate and unacceptable behaviour by a coach. It is on this basis that we have acted quickly to agree a termination
^^^bbc again
The Football Association says it has only just been made aware of details of the allegations made against Sampson when he was Bristol Academy boss.
A 2015 FA safeguarding assessment found Sampson did not pose a risk.
Sampson was also cleared this year of wrongdoing following discrimination allegations made by England players.
The 34-year-old Welshman became England head coach in December 2013 after leaving his role as manager of top-flight side Bristol Academy, now renamed Bristol City Women.
The FA said safeguarding allegations were made a year later, but "the full report of that investigation was only brought to the attention of the current FA leadership last week".
The statement added: "It is our judgement that it revealed clear evidence of inappropriate and unacceptable behaviour by a coach. It is on this basis that we have acted quickly to agree a termination
^^^bbc again
This whole affair reeks of indignation and perceived discrimination,where will it end ? We will be unable to appoint anyone to a position of authority before long and the only people who put up for it will be fantasists without ability.Anyone with intelligence will avoid high profile jobs like the plague.
treetop there must be standards
the fa appointed him, defended him, now sack him as they hadnt read his file correctly.......really?
was the independant lawyer who cleared him given sight of this file ?
is it safe to employ him elsewhere now they have cast doubt onhis character
getting sacked for being a bit tactless would be easily overcome, but now who knows?
the fa appointed him, defended him, now sack him as they hadnt read his file correctly.......really?
was the independant lawyer who cleared him given sight of this file ?
is it safe to employ him elsewhere now they have cast doubt onhis character
getting sacked for being a bit tactless would be easily overcome, but now who knows?
She was paid to be quiet ahead of the Euros. That's not an admission of guilt, just a pragmatic decision for the preparations to be unhindered by daft accusations.
As others have said, once the lobbyists got their anti white teeth into this there was only one outcome.
Next manager will be black or female or both.
As others have said, once the lobbyists got their anti white teeth into this there was only one outcome.
Next manager will be black or female or both.
£80,000 freal!
I wouldn't sack the person who signed the cheque I would shoot them!
I wouldn't sack the person who signed the cheque I would shoot them!
You wouldn't so don't articulate that on a forum. The mods will have you and we need all the chatters we can get!!
parliament still looking to question the fa, that should be very interesting
True!
metaphorically I meant!
But £80,000! When I was at school I saw a kid get battered for a penny! Claret everywhere! £80,000! Although to be fair after you have had a couple of winners on Betfair perhaps it isn't that much unless of course you are on £7.20 an hour or whatever it is!
metaphorically I meant!
But £80,000! When I was at school I saw a kid get battered for a penny! Claret everywhere! £80,000! Although to be fair after you have had a couple of winners on Betfair perhaps it isn't that much unless of course you are on £7.20 an hour or whatever it is!
Lucky I wasn't about to board a Bryan Air flight! Could have been arrested and made to peel potatoes!
Thanks Injera!
Thanks Injera!
An awful mess of a situation that doesn't reflect well on anybody. I don't particularly like Sampson, but I find myself feeling a bit sorry for him. The spiteful way that this player has attempted to ruin his career is pretty distasteful, and the FA have a lot to answer for as well, imo.
why did she wait so long to report what happened? surely you lose all credibility by doing that
I agree about the fact that the Ebola quote is a geographical thing and nothing to do with race. It never fails to amaze me how people don't seem to understand racism, and just think that if something derogatory is said about someone who just happens to be black, then that is racist, even though it was nothing to do with their race
there was an Ebola outbreak in Nigeria at the time, it's a country, most of the people that live there happen to be black
I agree about the fact that the Ebola quote is a geographical thing and nothing to do with race. It never fails to amaze me how people don't seem to understand racism, and just think that if something derogatory is said about someone who just happens to be black, then that is racist, even though it was nothing to do with their race
there was an Ebola outbreak in Nigeria at the time, it's a country, most of the people that live there happen to be black
Obviously a wrong un
any bloke managing a womans football team has got be to suspect
any bloke managing a womans football team has got be to suspect
Headline writers dream if it turns out she is lying.
An article in our local paper claims she is upset that the actions ofthe other team mates undermined her position ! Perhaps that should tell her she may need to be more of a team player instead of being divisive.When the rest of the team showed the coach appreciation it spoke more than the words they were probably too scared to utter in case it sparked yet more hurt feelings.
sampson denies making the ebola comment
yet it seems even those that back him seem to think that he did
strange world
yet it seems even those that back him seem to think that he did
strange world
bigH
Obviously a wrong un
any bloke managing a womans football team has got be to suspect
Closely followed by male Primary school teachers and cub scout leaders.
Obviously a wrong un
any bloke managing a womans football team has got be to suspect
Closely followed by male Primary school teachers and cub scout leaders.
unless there's a more sinister reason why he left her out of the team, it looks like a big PC storm in a teacup over nothing.
If you are at work it is important to record everything that is said, don't let anyone know but it would protect you from false allegations of racism.
It is particularly important to have counter evidence of things that have been said by the accuser in the past .
It is particularly important to have counter evidence of things that have been said by the accuser in the past .
^ Sounds like you have had a bit of experience of disputes ? 
not at all leopard , you have to understand your fellow human beings..don't trust them.
As I said in my 16:01 post yesterday, another cover up by the F.A. They knew about Sampson, just like they knew about the coaches within football assaulting youth players but chose to cover it up hoping the full extent would never come to light. F.A. are corrupt and not fit for purpose.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/fa-role-guardians-football-left-103300360.html
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/fa-role-guardians-football-left-103300360.html
When you say they knew about Sampson, knew what? He was cleared of any wrongdoing whilst working at the Bristol Academy. So that's 3 enquiries that have cleared him.
He's also been told he's free to seek other employment within football.
This development speaks volumes about the FA and 'white shaming'...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-41337127
A "Super White Army" banner was covered up during an England football match after a picture of it was shared online by one of the team's top players.
The sign at Tranmere Rovers' ground was obscured by the FA for the Lionesses' World Cup qualifier on Tuesday, hours after Lucy Bronze shared it online.
Her post received criticism and praise.
Tranmere Rovers Supporters' Club said it did not know why it was covered, adding it was "not remotely racist" and referred to their team's shirts.
The FA confirmed it took down the banner at Prenton Park but said it would be making no further comment.
Classic!
He's also been told he's free to seek other employment within football.
This development speaks volumes about the FA and 'white shaming'...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-41337127
A "Super White Army" banner was covered up during an England football match after a picture of it was shared online by one of the team's top players.
The sign at Tranmere Rovers' ground was obscured by the FA for the Lionesses' World Cup qualifier on Tuesday, hours after Lucy Bronze shared it online.
Her post received criticism and praise.
Tranmere Rovers Supporters' Club said it did not know why it was covered, adding it was "not remotely racist" and referred to their team's shirts.
The FA confirmed it took down the banner at Prenton Park but said it would be making no further comment.
Classic!
they dont complain about us chanting black and white army
even though some of our supporters are nither black nor white
because it refers to our strip ...
i think folk are looking in the the wrong place, and i look
forward to seeing the fa explain all this to the parliamentary
enquiry.
even though some of our supporters are nither black nor white
because it refers to our strip ...
i think folk are looking in the the wrong place, and i look
forward to seeing the fa explain all this to the parliamentary
enquiry.
He didn't get sacked for bullying or racism. Infact he was cleared some might even say vindicated.
He didn't break the law.
Some might say he has grounds for an unfair dismissal claim particularly if you can sue your Employer if you trip over a crisp packet! Shirley he has good grounds for a compo claim?
I am glad he has gone! There is still so much more to come out here! This is set to run and run. He is not the only villain here. He might be the pantomime villain but there are others who need to find an honest occupation.
He didn't break the law.
Some might say he has grounds for an unfair dismissal claim particularly if you can sue your Employer if you trip over a crisp packet! Shirley he has good grounds for a compo claim?
I am glad he has gone! There is still so much more to come out here! This is set to run and run. He is not the only villain here. He might be the pantomime villain but there are others who need to find an honest occupation.
He may have breached coach/player relations. In other words he may have slept with a player whilst at Bristol. He was not sacked and was in fact deemed worthy of promotion.
The point is the Despicable FA have dug into his past (4 years ago!!) to appease the anti wayycists re Aluko's wafer thin pedantry.
The removal of the banner the other night sums up the fear large organisations have of the wayycist card.
The point is the Despicable FA have dug into his past (4 years ago!!) to appease the anti wayycists re Aluko's wafer thin pedantry.
The removal of the banner the other night sums up the fear large organisations have of the wayycist card.
Your point being Sampson is the anti christ and you're thrilled he's unemployed and disgraced.
Well done.
Well done.
Martin Glenn, the Football Association’s heavily criticised chief executive, faces further embarrassment after admitting the organisation deliberately chose a black woman to investigate the Mark Sampson race allegations – without apparently realising the FA’s lawyers had already sent a letter to the Guardian warning such a claim was “plainly false”.
Unbelievable....or maybe not!
Unbelievable....or maybe not!
I believe if someone from the UK went to Africa it would be far more appropriate for someone to say 'Don't bring any of that racism and bigotry over here !'
That would be because they have an abundance of it themselves between the various tribes, religions and nations within Africa.
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Whisperingdeath
21 Sep 17 16:05
He didn't get sacked for bullying or racism. Infact he was cleared some might even say vindicated.
He didn't break the law.
Some might say he has grounds for an unfair dismissal claim particularly if you can sue your Employer if you trip over a crisp packet! Shirley he has good grounds for a compo claim?
[b]I am glad he has gone! There is still so much more to come out here! This is set to run and run. He is not the only villain here. He might be the pantomime villain but there are others who need to find an honest occupation.[/
Whisperingdeath
21 Sep 17 16:05
He didn't get sacked for bullying or racism. Infact he was cleared some might even say vindicated.
He didn't break the law.
Some might say he has grounds for an unfair dismissal claim particularly if you can sue your Employer if you trip over a crisp packet! Shirley he has good grounds for a compo claim?
[b]I am glad he has gone! There is still so much more to come out here! This is set to run and run. He is not the only villain here. He might be the pantomime villain but there are others who need to find an honest occupation.[/
injera
you have spelt the word "repeatedly" incorrectly, you spelt it "briefly"
maybe you misread the article,
you have spelt the word "repeatedly" incorrectly, you spelt it "briefly"
maybe you misread the article,
She also alleged that Lee Kendall, appointed as England Women's goalkeeping coach in 2014, spoke to her in a fake Caribbean accent while she was with the England team.
I looked upon all this when I heard the comment the first time it came out thinking I wonder if a male would have got as teary over it/
For me its an issue about how women cant take male to male type banter.
If a woman were in the position of the males who took grief in the workplace from fellow males where I worked in the past she might actually have died of shock.
For me its an issue about how women cant take male to male type banter.
If a woman were in the position of the males who took grief in the workplace from fellow males where I worked in the past she might actually have died of shock.
A guy once said to me 'get out the car and get some sun you transparent c**t' during a period I was rather pasty.
I pi55ed myself laughing, as did he.
I didnt get all precious about it.
I pi55ed myself laughing, as did he.
I didnt get all precious about it.
I think what would be best if the women had an independent set up for sports. Have their own clubs, governing bodies and coaches. All female.
At my club cricket level, it's hard for girls to be playing in what is a 95% mens' club. They need their own environment without the boys' chatter.
At my club cricket level, it's hard for girls to be playing in what is a 95% mens' club. They need their own environment without the boys' chatter.
injera
"briefly" has gone from your post
Aluko also alleges that one member of staff repeatedly spoke to her in a mock Caribbean accent – another allegation that was put to the authorities in the same letter –
that is so much different from your post..
"briefly" has gone from your post
Aluko also alleges that one member of staff repeatedly spoke to her in a mock Caribbean accent – another allegation that was put to the authorities in the same letter –
that is so much different from your post..
You would have to be a very spiteful and dangerous individual to cost someone their job over that.
donny - I apologise. My last post was a quote from the Standard. In The Mail it didn't mention 'briefly' or 'repeated'. I thought I'd read somewhere it was a one off but I may well be wrong.
i cant understand how even after yesterday some folk are still wanting to have a go at the lass
had that been harry kane abused , dropped, offered a payoff and then blackmailed to produce
a document to cover his abusers blame before getting the payoff i dont think folk would be blaming him.
had that been harry kane abused , dropped, offered a payoff and then blackmailed to produce
a document to cover his abusers blame before getting the payoff i dont think folk would be blaming him.
I can remember an incident at work when I had just left school many years ago in my first job.
The boss was a complete terror and he was disliked by many of the workers .
One day one of the men quite an elderly man ,had the boss by the neck and was holding a hammer threatening him .
The other men quickly ran over and broke them apart and the boss , shaken and as white as a ghost walked away.
The next day everyone went back to work, no one lost their job and nothing more was said.
bespute the fact that the foreman was a complete ******* and didn't change I thought that was admirable .
Makes a big impression when you are 16 : )
The boss was a complete terror and he was disliked by many of the workers .
One day one of the men quite an elderly man ,had the boss by the neck and was holding a hammer threatening him .
The other men quickly ran over and broke them apart and the boss , shaken and as white as a ghost walked away.
The next day everyone went back to work, no one lost their job and nothing more was said.
bespute the fact that the foreman was a complete ******* and didn't change I thought that was admirable .
Makes a big impression when you are 16 : )
I dont follow womens football
I this woman the black Harry Kane?
I this woman the black Harry Kane?
Back again as headline news on BBC Sport. They're lapping it up.
Despite claiming that she wants to draw a line underneath the episode, has given yet another interview
to the Beeb , this time criticising all the other England players for celebrating with the manager, and that
"togetherness" was just a hashtag.
Or it could be that her team mates resent her using the race card to get a nice payday,
while they have lost the best manager England have ever had, just before a World Cup.
Despite claiming that she wants to draw a line underneath the episode, has given yet another interview
to the Beeb , this time criticising all the other England players for celebrating with the manager, and that
"togetherness" was just a hashtag.
Or it could be that her team mates resent her using the race card to get a nice payday,
while they have lost the best manager England have ever had, just before a World Cup.
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