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mini me
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Is this horrendous pronunciation taught in schools?
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Report Ken Masters • August 18, 2017 11:09 AM BST
It's a tragedy that's better best forgotten.
Report The Leopard • August 18, 2017 11:19 AM BST
Northern Irish BBC business woman does it....Haitch Esss Beee Ceee....really grinds my gears !!!

She should be sacked.....and maybe lashed !
Report lfc1971 • August 18, 2017 11:19 AM BST
you can tell a persons religion from the way they pronounce H. and country.
hatch is not the way it is prounced if you are English and Protestant.
Report The Leopard • August 18, 2017 11:19 AM BST
Lashed then sacked ?
Report lfc1971 • August 18, 2017 11:19 AM BST
She will be a catholic.
Report lfc1971 • August 18, 2017 11:22 AM BST
If it is a Protestant fro N Ireland she would pronounce it in english
Report The Leopard • August 18, 2017 11:22 AM BST
...style
Report lfc1971 • August 18, 2017 11:24 AM BST
someone from England might pronounce it haitch , but they will be catholic also
Possibly Irish background.
Report The Leopard • August 18, 2017 11:34 AM BST
Found this :
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https://amp.theguardian.com/science/shortcuts/2013/nov/04/letter-h-contentious-alphabet-history-alphabetical-rosen


The alphabet is something not to be argued with: there are 26 letters in as fixed a sequence as the numbers 1-26; once learned in order and for the "sounds they make", you have the key to reading and the key to the way the world is classified. Or perhaps not.

Actually, in the course of writing my book about the history of the letters we use, Alphabetical, I discovered that the alphabet is far from neutral. Debates about power and class surround every letter, and H is the most contentious of all. No other letter has had such power to divide people into opposing camps.

In Britain, H owes its name to the Normans, who brought their letter "hache" with them in 1066. Hache is the source of our word "hatchet": probably because a lower-case H looks a lot like an axe. It has certainly caused a lot of trouble over the years.

A century ago people dropping their h's were described in the Times as "h-less socialists." In ancient Rome, they were snooty not about people who dropped their Hs but about those who picked up extra ones. Catullus wrote a nasty little poem about Arrius (H'arrius he called him), who littered his sentences with Hs because he wanted to sound more Greek.

Almost two thousand years later we are still split, and pronouncing H two ways: "aitch", which is posh and "right"; and "haitch", which is not posh and thus "wrong". The two variants used to mark the religious divide in Northern Ireland – aitch was Protestant, haitch was Catholic, and getting it wrong could be a dangerous business.

Perhaps the letter H was doomed from the start: given that the sound we associate with H is so slight (a little outbreath), there has been debate since at least AD 500 whether it was a true letter or not. In England, the most up-to-date research suggests that some 13th-century dialects were h-dropping, but by the time elocution experts came along in the 18th century, they were pointing out what a crime it is. And then received wisdom shifted, again: by 1858, if I wanted to speak correctly, I should have said "erb", "ospital" and "umble".

The world is full of people laying down the law about the "correct" choice: is it "a hotel" or "an otel"; is it "a historian" or "an historian"? But there is no single correct version. You choose. We have no academy to rule on these matters and, even if we did, it would have only marginal effect.

When people object to the way others speak, it rarely has any linguistic logic. It is nearly always because of the way that a particular linguistic feature is seen as belonging to a cluster of disliked social features. Writing this book has been a fascinating journey: the story of our alphabet turns out to be a complex tug of war between the people who want to own our language and the people who use it. I know which side I'm on.

Alphabetical: How Every Letter Tells A Story by Michael Rosen is published on 7 November by John Murray, £16.99
Report The Leopard • August 18, 2017 11:35 AM BST
Almost two thousand years later we are still split, and pronouncing H two ways: "aitch", which is posh and "right"; and "haitch", which is not posh and thus "wrong". The two variants used to mark the religious divide in Northern Ireland – aitch was Protestant, haitch was Catholic, and getting it wrong could be a dangerous business.
Report lfc1971 • August 18, 2017 11:41 AM BST
I just told you that leopard.
Report The Leopard • August 18, 2017 11:48 AM BST
It's a bit clearer in the article Laugh
Report mini me • August 20, 2017 9:26 AM BST
I don't think the kids did it in Child Genius...
Report The Leopard • June 8, 2018 7:48 AM BST
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