No need to thank me- I'm still here!. Well actually it's time for tiffin, so goodnight!

I agree with Dr Slicer who agrees with Harry Ferguson to an extent. True British legends would stick a finger up to authority and turn down a knighthood.
Sport has gold medals, film directors have Oscars, musicians have the Brits. None of them need a government committee financed under threat of taking you to court to decide you should be looked up to.

Or down to if you are Robbie Grabarz.

Not many would turn down a knighthood though - you're just too young at that age to know better.

Peter Higgs turned one down. But I suppose if you've predicted the discovery of God's particle, the Queen doesn't cut it.

Ignore him slicer, that's BMs default setting when someone disagrees with him and he's losing the argument.

That would have been preferable.

ISLAM...(previous post)
whats not to like about it?
Our liberalised left wing celebs, etc seem to be in some sort of thrall to Islamic religious hard core mumbo jumbo, so why not give it a shot (or stab as it where)?

Lets try Sharia Law in this country for 6 months or a year or so. Lets take all the murderers currently in prison and hang them.
Not a bad idea and what a saving on taxes.
Lets take all the rapists currently in prison and do the same.
Homosexuals and lesbians could all be thrown off the nearest high-rise... there'd be an awful lot of bodies but hey ho, its the law.
All women banned from the work place and from the roads as drivers. Woohoo! More jobs for the boys and less dopey birds trying to park and navigate roundabouts.
All education for women ended at 13... what a huge saving on education costs.
All women in burkhas outside the house and walking behind their man.
Divorce... easy as pie with no financial burden on the poor hubby.
The more you think about it... these liberal types have got it spot on. Bring it on. Whats the downside? There is none. Less murderers, rapists, friends of dorothy and rupert, more jobs for the lads, more women in the kitchen/bedroom, fewer mooses walking the streets, paradise.
Allah Akbar LaughLaughLaugh

Rockiron's post pick the bones out of this BM !

Truth and reality

Seriously BM what do you think the likes of Chaldray and Hammza think of the likes of Lilly Allen ?

And this is what really gets me about you left wing liberal types, you will never address the evil that is amongst our society.

The point is the Crusaders didn't do their job properly. They murdered and raped their way through the Middle East and btw they got a good kicking too. By and large they were a bunch of thugs the fore runners of modern day football fans and nazis in America!

yes

Ignoring the racist d1ckheads because too often they become mixed up with those questioning doping allegations and vice versa, I reckon there's an analogy to be drawn.

The law in the U.K. splits into two sections, Criminal and Civil. The two parts require different levels of 'proof''. In Criminal Law, it's beyond reasonable doubt; in Civil Law it's on the balance of probability.

So Mo and his alleged doping:

In Criminal Law he's not guilty. There is reasonable doubt and therefore he can't be found guilty and gets to keep his medals and money.

Under Civil Law, if you think that on the balance of probability he is, and always has, raced clean, I don't think you've been following the story of drugs in sport closely enough.
Proven cheats tick boxes.
Mo Farah ticks every single one of them, dysfunctional childhood, missed tests, extraordinary physiology, rapid step up in class, links to dodgy coaches, winning in events where it's proven he's been competing against dopers etc

The argument "passed every test" put forward by Scandy provides the 'reasonable doubt' but remember, on that basis, Lance Armstrong, the worst cheat in sporting history, would still have his 7 TdF titles.
Strictly speaking LA did test positive but he was still able to forward the 'never positive' argument for years. Marion Jones is another 'I have never tested positive... etc' until one day she coughed up to doping. I don't know what Russian is for 'I'd never do such a thing' but I'm sure there's a shed load of Russian athletes who have said exactly the same.

Frankly, never testing positive means feck-all. Or it means 'not caught yet' .
Athletes caught by testers have very often made a mistake in timing or in dosage. For example, they have become desperate to recover lost training time through injury and have taken undue risks with their doping programme. Testing and testers are so far behind the curve. They always have been but EPO was the game changer. Suddenly they weren't half a lap behind, the gap was 3 laps. It's never closed to pre-EPO levels since.

Some sports are trying to get on top of the situation but are probably failing (cycling);  other sporting bodies will do the minimum, nod to WADA  not rock the boat and sit in quiet denial (football); others are being forced to move because of media pressure (athletics). 

All of that without even mentioning TUEs.

It's all unsatisfactory and makes me, as a viewer of sport and a biologist, very cynical.

Incidentally, if you want to see a fascinating film of doping in action, try to catch 'Icarus' on Netflix.
It starts as a documentary of a guy trying to film himself cheating (and getting away with it) to win the Haut Tour (TdF for amateurs), but then suddenly midstream takes a weird and sinister turn.

I hope he hasn't cheated. If it ever was proven though, Saddo, he would lose the knighthood for sure.

Knights of the Realm should be ,as far as is practicable to ensure ,persons of the utmost probity and rectitude imho.

Ah, right, cheers. All a bit before my time.

ackie..piggot never went to jail ya muppet.

One of the most laughable convictions of our time. They'd gone through all known accounts, decided on a settlement, and he wrote em a cheque on an account they'd never heard of.

Mo Farah 100% crooked.

Same here annie.Comes across as disingenuous and the way he swans in and out of the UK stinks.