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and what was there before space
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Report screaming from beneaththewaves • August 12, 2017 3:24 PM BST
Energy.
Report scandanavian_haven • August 12, 2017 4:20 PM BST
where did energy come from
Report bix • August 12, 2017 4:42 PM BST
From the potential for energy to exist.
Report STUDYFORM • August 12, 2017 4:43 PM BST
Before space, must've been stuff.
There's either space or there's stuff.
Space is just the thing energy goes through.

Energy probably comes from stuff, before the stuff and the energy there was only space and as it's the absence of stuff there was space before there was space.
Report scandanavian_haven • August 12, 2017 4:50 PM BST
where did the potential come from ?
Report scandanavian_haven • August 12, 2017 4:51 PM BST
where did stuff come from ?
Report STUDYFORM • August 12, 2017 4:54 PM BST
From nothing.
Nothing is space. Space is nothing.
It's the stuff you need to ask about.
I don't know where that came from.
Report i_agree_with_nick • August 12, 2017 5:07 PM BST
The best way to think about space is this:

I won't name names but think about certain forumites and then imagine what's between their ears.
Report scandanavian_haven • August 12, 2017 5:16 PM BST
but where did moisoks ears come from?
Report STUDYFORM • August 12, 2017 6:07 PM BST

Aug 12, 2017 -- 11:07AM, i_agree_with_nick wrote:


The best way to think about space is this:I won't name names but think about certain forumites and then imagine what's between their ears.


Good one. As is the alternative theory.
Not much stuff, not much space - maybe a little low-level energy.

Report The Leopard • August 12, 2017 6:41 PM BST
We are in an artficial simulator.....relax !
Report Just Checking • August 12, 2017 6:55 PM BST
If you define space as not matter, then it gets interesting. As some believe the universe is finite, what is outside the universe is not matter but is it then space?

And has it heard of Kim Kardashian?
Report The Leopard • August 12, 2017 6:58 PM BST
What about dark matter ?
Report akabula • August 12, 2017 6:58 PM BST
Too complex for us mere mortals, I'll ask OB when he surfaces.
No beginning and no limit to it, it goes on for ever and has always been there.
Report The Leopard • August 12, 2017 7:02 PM BST
What about the Big Bang theory ?
Report redbag • August 12, 2017 7:03 PM BST
wheres do wah when you need him?
Report Just Checking • August 12, 2017 7:04 PM BST
I think it prefers to be called black matter now Leopard Tongue Out.
"The standard model of cosmology indicates that the total mass–energy of the universe contains 4.9% ordinary matter, 26.8% dark matter and 68.3% dark energy."
When you consider how vast the universe is and how insignificant we are in it, to find out that bits we see and know about are in turn only like 1/20th of it anyway really just rubs it in.
Report scandanavian_haven • August 12, 2017 7:17 PM BST
it's the greatest mind f*** of all time, that something 'has always been there', when our lives always teach us that something always forms/develops/evolves from something else, something can't come from literally nothing or have always been there. I console myself with the fact that not even someone as intelligent as Steven Hawkins has all the answers, he said there was no God particle.
Report akabula • August 12, 2017 7:18 PM BST
The world is like the full stop from the end of this sentence sitting at the bottom of the Atlantic ocean.

That's how it was put to us at school.
Report Just Checking • August 12, 2017 7:27 PM BST
I believe there's a theory that the universe expands to a maxiumum point then reverses and collapses again to the central point, then big bangs and does it all again.
So it just keeps on doing that like a .. well I can't think of anything that does that Laugh
Report akabula • August 12, 2017 7:31 PM BST
The default button.
Report The Leopard • August 12, 2017 7:33 PM BST
Nasa have just phoned Betfair Towers to ask permission to use Chit-chat's great minds.
Report bix • August 12, 2017 7:48 PM BST
Perhaps it's our concept of time which is the problem.
Report screaming from beneaththewaves • August 12, 2017 11:28 PM BST
What bix says.

We can only think of the universe as three-dimensional, like the room we're sitting in right now. Hence insoluble questions such as "what's outside it?" and "how was it built?" There's nothing we can do about it. If we didn't view reality that way, we'd never be able to leave the house and find our way to the betting shop in the morning.

But in the bigger picture, we know from observations that wherever you stand in the universe, you appear to be at its exact centre, with everything rushing away from you at an ever-increasing rate. It doesn't matter whether you're on planet earth or in a galaxy far, far away, the same phenomenon will apply.

It's something that's impossible to get your head around by imagining it in three dimensions, but if you add time as a fourth dimension, and do a lot of very complex algebra, you can explain it and make sense of it, and it does add up. But I've never come across any satisfactory visual way of imagining how a universe can be expanding at an ever increasing rate in all directions, yet have no start and no finish.

The best I can come up with is the graph of an asymptote. As you go back into the past the line approaches zero (nothingness, no universe), but never, ever quite reaches it. Yet, as you go forward in time, the line rises at an ever increasing rate, but never, ever quite reaches the perpendicular, representing infinity.

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Report Just Checking • August 12, 2017 11:40 PM BST
ZX Spectrum plot program lives! LaughLaugh

The idea of a big bang and we expand out like a sort of orange with a solid content is AFAIK confusing to a lot of people. I remember reading an analogy (might have been in a brief history of time but I've read various on this .. and forgotten most of it Crazy) which was good. Which was to imagine the universe as a bubble, and everything is on the thin outside of the bubble or balloon. So the expansion is such that if you are anywhere on the bubble the things around you are expanding away from you like spots on a balloon. 

Imagine that and AFAIK it's kind of easier to understand.
Report detraveller • August 12, 2017 11:40 PM BST
I sometimes think what would have been if there was nothing. Like not even space. Nothing. Nobody there to know that there is nothing.
Report Pleasegivemeanailedontip • August 12, 2017 11:55 PM BST
Im fine with the universe 'expanding' and not really expanding. No idea why its happening or how it started though.

It is worth pointing out though that although matter in the universe hurtling away from us is most likely, it is possible that its not. If all particles in the universe are shrinking in size at exactly the same rate then you would get the same effect of everything hurtling away from you wherever you are.
Report curious-cat • August 13, 2017 12:00 AM BST
I know but I'm not allowed to tell.
Report Just Checking • August 13, 2017 12:12 AM BST
Wait a minute, if every single particle is expanding with respect to every other particle as time goes on, does that explain why your waist gets bigger as you get older - it's not fat it's PHYSICS? ExcitedLaugh
Report Pleasegivemeanailedontip • August 13, 2017 12:15 AM BST
No it was a flaw in my post - every particle in the universe is shrinking with the execption of mens waists which are constant. Middle age spread is just an optical illusion.
Report A_T • August 13, 2017 8:43 AM BST
this is all explained in Genesis
Report echobelly • August 16, 2017 10:20 AM BST

Aug 13, 2017 -- 2:43AM, A_T wrote:


this is all explained in Genesis


Well it certainly is a land of confusion all this...!!!

Report cooperman • August 16, 2017 11:01 AM BST
Before I answer, are you talking about outer space?Confused
Report Ken Masters • August 16, 2017 11:24 AM BST
I assumed it OP is struggling to get another frock in his wardrobe.
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