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12 Aug 17
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and what was there before space
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Energy.
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where did energy come from
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From the potential for energy to exist.
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Before space, must've been stuff.
There's either space or there's stuff. Space is just the thing energy goes through. Energy probably comes from stuff, before the stuff and the energy there was only space and as it's the absence of stuff there was space before there was space. |
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where did the potential come from ?
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where did stuff come from ?
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From nothing.
Nothing is space. Space is nothing. It's the stuff you need to ask about. I don't know where that came from. |
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The best way to think about space is this:
I won't name names but think about certain forumites and then imagine what's between their ears. |
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but where did moisoks ears come from?
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We are in an artficial simulator.....relax !
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If you define space as not matter, then it gets interesting. As some believe the universe is finite, what is outside the universe is not matter but is it then space?
And has it heard of Kim Kardashian? |
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What about dark matter ?
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Too complex for us mere mortals, I'll ask OB when he surfaces.
No beginning and no limit to it, it goes on for ever and has always been there. |
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What about the Big Bang theory ?
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wheres do wah when you need him?
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I think it prefers to be called black matter now Leopard
 ."The standard model of cosmology indicates that the total mass–energy of the universe contains 4.9% ordinary matter, 26.8% dark matter and 68.3% dark energy." When you consider how vast the universe is and how insignificant we are in it, to find out that bits we see and know about are in turn only like 1/20th of it anyway really just rubs it in. |
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it's the greatest mind f*** of all time, that something 'has always been there', when our lives always teach us that something always forms/develops/evolves from something else, something can't come from literally nothing or have always been there. I console myself with the fact that not even someone as intelligent as Steven Hawkins has all the answers, he said there was no God particle.
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The world is like the full stop from the end of this sentence sitting at the bottom of the Atlantic ocean.
That's how it was put to us at school. |
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I believe there's a theory that the universe expands to a maxiumum point then reverses and collapses again to the central point, then big bangs and does it all again.
So it just keeps on doing that like a .. well I can't think of anything that does that  |
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The default button.
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Nasa have just phoned Betfair Towers to ask permission to use Chit-chat's great minds.
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Perhaps it's our concept of time which is the problem.
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What bix says.
We can only think of the universe as three-dimensional, like the room we're sitting in right now. Hence insoluble questions such as "what's outside it?" and "how was it built?" There's nothing we can do about it. If we didn't view reality that way, we'd never be able to leave the house and find our way to the betting shop in the morning. But in the bigger picture, we know from observations that wherever you stand in the universe, you appear to be at its exact centre, with everything rushing away from you at an ever-increasing rate. It doesn't matter whether you're on planet earth or in a galaxy far, far away, the same phenomenon will apply. It's something that's impossible to get your head around by imagining it in three dimensions, but if you add time as a fourth dimension, and do a lot of very complex algebra, you can explain it and make sense of it, and it does add up. But I've never come across any satisfactory visual way of imagining how a universe can be expanding at an ever increasing rate in all directions, yet have no start and no finish. The best I can come up with is the graph of an asymptote. As you go back into the past the line approaches zero (nothingness, no universe), but never, ever quite reaches it. Yet, as you go forward in time, the line rises at an ever increasing rate, but never, ever quite reaches the perpendicular, representing infinity. [ This image is no longer available. ] |
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ZX Spectrum plot program lives!
The idea of a big bang and we expand out like a sort of orange with a solid content is AFAIK confusing to a lot of people. I remember reading an analogy (might have been in a brief history of time but I've read various on this .. and forgotten most of it  ) which was good. Which was to imagine the universe as a bubble, and everything is on the thin outside of the bubble or balloon. So the expansion is such that if you are anywhere on the bubble the things around you are expanding away from you like spots on a balloon. Imagine that and AFAIK it's kind of easier to understand. |
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I sometimes think what would have been if there was nothing. Like not even space. Nothing. Nobody there to know that there is nothing.
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Im fine with the universe 'expanding' and not really expanding. No idea why its happening or how it started though.
It is worth pointing out though that although matter in the universe hurtling away from us is most likely, it is possible that its not. If all particles in the universe are shrinking in size at exactly the same rate then you would get the same effect of everything hurtling away from you wherever you are. |
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I know but I'm not allowed to tell.
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Wait a minute, if every single particle is expanding with respect to every other particle as time goes on, does that explain why your waist gets bigger as you get older - it's not fat it's PHYSICS?
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No it was a flaw in my post - every particle in the universe is shrinking with the execption of mens waists which are constant. Middle age spread is just an optical illusion.
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this is all explained in Genesis
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Before I answer, are you talking about outer space?
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I assumed it OP is struggling to get another frock in his wardrobe.
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