No cash sales is the way.

i put bleach into a spray bottle to kill mold on windows and ceilings.
Under this new law? that some are proposing I'm now a criminal?

If people are attacking other people it's got nothing to to with the materials they are using.. unlike a gun which is designed to kill people, Bleach and acids have a purpose that is legitimate in everyday life.

It's the people and their mental states that needs to be addressed. Respecting people and doing no violence needs to be the emphasis here.

There are people out there that believe they are better than other people - Narcissism is the phrase used. They treat people as objects and they manipulate people. When they cannot have their way they turn to violence and destruction. CONTROL of their environment extends out to random violence.

If someone was stopped by the police carrying cleaning fluids not in there container but in a cup or spray bottle then the likelihood is they would already be charged with carrying an offensive weapon regardless if someone says he was bringing it to mine to clean.

Your law change also wouldn't prevent someone carrying a bottle of cleaning fluid in their own container with an empty spray bottle in circumstances which suggest they were going to be used as a weapon so the police would end up resorting back to the current law anyway.

There seems to be a lot of furore about changing the law when the law for acid is the same as screwdrivers, scissors, garden tools, baseball bats etc. etc. in terms of the possibility of being an offensive weapon, it's just that acid seems to be in fashion amongst idiots looking to assault people at the moment.

Carrying a knife is also legal if you have a reasonable excuse so it's always possible to create cover by getting a friend to suggest you were bringing one round for some DIY. Whether or not it gets believed is another story.

someone on the the BBC last night said it was a problem Britain had going back 200 years,
no, no, I`m not telling lies.

It may well have been, not at all relevant tho as we have evolved over the 200 years, unlike others. I suppose it's just another example of blaming ourselves for every ill visited upon us.

my favourite year is 1874

If somebody transfered caustic chemicals out on the street that would be punishable just as it would be if I broke off a branch from a tree and fashioned it into a point to stab somebody in the neck.

Yes under the current laws relating to offensive weapons. The same laws that can make carrying acid around in another container an offensive weapon.

Its just reactionary law making that doesn't really change anything but make it more difficult for people trying to use these substances legally. The practical affect will be minimal but because the new legislation specifically refers to acid it will appease people as it looks as if something has been done.

Next it will probably be the licensing of garden tools or large sports equipment if that becomes becomes the weapon of choice.

this is classic evolved behaviour imo ,evolution only shapes a species subjected to a set of specific conditions ,nothing else

Amonia  used to be the Job

Havent seen one main news outlet mention the rise in bike crime which directly links to this storey. The perpetrator was nicking mopeds. Because insurance companies foot the vast bulk of the bill and its hard to prosecute Police dont bother to do anything

They use the mopeds to snatch bags and phones then dump em, I think.

There seems to be more than one thing going on here. In no particular order:

1) so-called honour crimes
2) theft (nicking mopeds for use in nicking phones, as @saddo says a couple of comments ago)
3) gangs (turf wars)
4) muggers
5) completely inexplicable attacks eg Tomlin who seems to have attacked that model and her friend simply because they were stopped at traffic lights when he happened on by

You could, perhaps, lump 2, 3 and 4 together as having some sort of economic, criminal rationale. To the extent these people are at least thinking about how best to make money (illegally) they may respond to stiffer sentences or other changes in the law. The others are harder. 1 requires a change of attitudes about what is acceptable, and how do we get there from here? 5 -- well, what do you do about people who have a screw loose?

BBC HEADLINE ON THIS ITEM

BOYS HURT IN COLLISION WITH POLICE

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40624453

But lets read a Little further into the article

The Heading Should Read 3 armed rsoles apprehended by Police

All three were arrested at the scene and two large knives were recovered.


The incident had been referred to the police watchdog.

but we can't have the nazi state going around harming innocent youngsters leisurely perambulating around the city on their private transport

Should've reversed over the other two imo.

Delivery drivers led by Jabed Hussain, the victim of an acid attack last week, have held a noisy protest outside parliament demanding protection from violence.

Hundreds of motorcycle and moped riders, who say they fear for their safety while working, brought traffic around Parliament Square to a standstill with their vehicles on Tuesday.

They say the attack on Hussain, who had his scooter stolen in one of five alleged acid-throwing incidents in east London on Thursday night, reflects an environment in which they and their vehicles are constantly targeted.

“We are scared. [The] government’s not taking enough action, [the] government’s not providing enough police,” said Hussain, who organised the demonstration. “I am a victim of an acid attack, I don’t want anyone else to experience the feeling of it. I felt fire on my face ... Who is going to give us our dignity? I want to ask the prime minister, who is sleeping [on the job] right now.”

Hussain said many delivery drivers were refusing to work after 8pm because they did not feel safe and many were considering leaving the job even if they had to “live on the streets”. He promised more demonstrations if drivers were not listened to. “This has happened so many times, that’s why all the drivers are angry,” he said.

Delivery drivers, some wearing the distinctive liveries of their employers, tooted their horns, revved their engines, and chanted: “No more acid attacks.” They blocked off the north side of Parliament Square with their vehicles and marched around the square holding a large banner, which read: “Stop acid attacks, bike theft, motorcycle crime.”

Wellington Silveira, 33, from Brazil, said he had been in London working as a delivery driver for about 10 years, but things had deteriorated to the extent that he was thinking of moving out of the city.

“I work in Islington, north London,” said Silveira, who works for UberEats and Deliveroo. “All day I have these problems; people trying to steal my bike. It’s not safe. I stop work at 10pm because it’s too dangerous.”

Bilal Zari, 32, said: “It’s about us being able to provide a service to people and put food on the table for our family. We are hard-working people.”

Zari said he had been threatened with reduced hours if he attended the demonstration, but had gone along anyway. “I am a father, I have two kids, [aged] two and three: that’s more important,” he said.

While Hussain said he was not blaming police, Silveira and Zari demanded tougher action by officers.

Hussain, an UberEats delivery driver, was on his moped at the corner of Queensbridge Road and Hackney Road when two men on a moped pulled up alongside and threw acid on him.

It was the first of five acid attacks to take place in a three-mile radius. He believes his helmet saved him from more serious injuries, but one of the alleged victims could lose sight in one eye.

Will Shu, the chief executive of Deliveroo, sent an email to his drivers on Tuesday pledging to protect them. He said a contact line has been set up for them to report concerns and no driver would have to work in an area where they felt unsafe.

A 16-year-old boy, who cannot be named because of his age, appeared in a youth court in east London on Monday accused of carrying out attacks on six victims on 13 July. He denies charges including wounding, robbery and possession of a weapon.

But, oc, you think you're missing out

@screaming from beneaththewaves -- Disclaimer: I may be out of touch these days with the sus laws and community relations and that sort of thing, having not lived in London for 30 years. Thank Christ.

Community relations and even race are red herrings -- it is gangs. In different parts of London it might be Black or Asian gangs in Black or Asian areas but in the north-west it seems to be mainly White kids shooting and stabbing each other.

What can be done about it, I've no idea.