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Jack Hacksaw
11 Jul 17 15:31
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Arrived yesterday courtesy of me old daddy being born in the mother country.

To be sure.

Brexit, what Brexit?
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Report Slicer • July 11, 2017 3:33 PM BST
Are you sure you didn't receive it in Eire?
Report Hank Hill • July 11, 2017 3:38 PM BST
How far can you go back? I have an ancestor 7 generations back born in Tipperary Laugh
Report lfc1971 • July 11, 2017 3:44 PM BST
another reason to dislike them.
Report lfc1971 • July 11, 2017 3:47 PM BST
the sheer cheek of a country that thinks it can offer citzenship to people from a different country, of course witout the obligation to employ them, or house them or feed them, no it`s England that has to do that.
Report pa lapsy • July 11, 2017 4:07 PM BST
Cead mile failte Jack.

Get your little head around this one lfc,

Number of UK born citizens living in Ireland is 250,000, that is a large percentage of just over 4 million.
What are your views on UK citizens living in the likes of Spain,Australia,France etc, Is that a God given right in your little englander opinion?
Report lfc1971 • July 11, 2017 4:19 PM BST
yes of course, there are British people living all over the world, so what?:
Report lfc1971 • July 11, 2017 4:22 PM BST
when you get citizenship of a country it should be a privilige, not something to be passed out freely and without obligations on the person to at least live in that country, to have worked there, to have been part of contributing to that country, no one respects a country that gives away its citizenship so freely and easily.
Report lfc1971 • July 11, 2017 4:25 PM BST
and why haws the Irish government allowed this? its very simple, they have no need to pay for it.
Report pa lapsy • July 11, 2017 4:26 PM BST
Your blase statement that England HAS to employ them,house them and feed them is nonsense,quite sure UK citizens are the recipients of social welfare as well,particulary within the EU.
Report lfc1971 • July 11, 2017 4:27 PM BST
of course, i should hope so.
Report lfc1971 • July 11, 2017 4:29 PM BST
but then again that is something that brexit is designed to stop ie, millions of people from the EU having free access to the NHS.
Or is that not allowed either.
Report lfc1971 • July 11, 2017 4:32 PM BST
now no matter how you look at it, if people are living in England they have to be housed, employed, fed, cared for, etc..that is how it is.
now these Irish citizens will not be Irelands responsibility, that is something they are pretty sure about and counting on when they so blithely hand out this citizenship.
Report pa lapsy • July 11, 2017 4:33 PM BST
Of course that is right to be stopped, you are going off on a tangent now though,the issue of the sibling of an Irish person receiving an Irish passport was what you are vehemently against,why?
Report lfc1971 • July 11, 2017 4:38 PM BST
I am not against that, i agree with that. If the son or daughter intends to live and work in their parents home country that is a nice thing to have.
However it should only be given to them, and applied for, once they are living and working in Ireland.
Report pa lapsy • July 11, 2017 4:38 PM BST
Ireland isn't Mars,it's social welfare bar health is way above the UK and it has been abused, otherwise as far as i know the two countries would be similar with regards criteria for social welfare.
Report lfc1971 • July 11, 2017 4:41 PM BST
ah yes, that`s true, but that`s because they are neighbours of England, and have all the same rights as any British citizen..this is what keeps the Irish economy from collapsing.
Report Shab • July 11, 2017 4:45 PM BST
Ireland needs to be careful with this policy. What if during Brexit the agreement is that for dual passport holders, whilst in the EU are treated as Irish. Then you could have a situation where all of the English born, never paid a penny in tax to Eire, get a passport then go to work in the EU somewhere. They get ill, the cost gets sent back to Eire. That could end up being quite a hefty bill, especially if a lot of pensioners living on the Costas do it.
Report pa lapsy • July 11, 2017 4:47 PM BST
Not really,Irelands young people are among the best educated in Europe,America has many employed in Ireland with tech and pharmaceuticals in particular,the export of foodstuff between the two countries is important alright,Ireland has moved on the last few decades.
Report pa lapsy • July 11, 2017 4:48 PM BST
16.47 to lfc.

Fair point Shab.
Report lfc1971 • July 11, 2017 4:48 PM BST
even post brexit i am pretty sure it will be England who has to pay for these sick Irish citizens, they will suddenly be pronunced BritishSad
Report lfc1971 • July 11, 2017 4:51 PM BST
Education plays a surprisingly small role in the prosperity of a country or its people.
Report Stow_judge • July 11, 2017 4:58 PM BST
Ireland still enjoy a very favourable 12.5% corporate tax rate. This is why many businesses like pharma are currently sited there. When we have hard Brexit, perhaps our corporate tax rate will be dropped considerably to attract companies here.
Report lfc1971 • July 11, 2017 4:58 PM BST
It is the access to education, jobs, language, society on all levels, in Britain that is vital to Ireland. This cannot, and will not be replicated in any other country in europe.
Report Stow_judge • July 11, 2017 4:59 PM BST
How much did the Irish passport cost? I am eligible for one.
Report lfc1971 • July 11, 2017 5:01 PM BST
there`s another oneHappy
Report pa lapsy • July 11, 2017 5:04 PM BST
Spot on with corporate tax Stow,about 120e i think,similar to UK anyway, you are welcome anytime Stow, think they can be got online at the moment
Report Stow_judge • July 11, 2017 5:04 PM BST
One of my grandfathers was Irish & the other Scottish. Both my parents are English. I'm extremely unlikely to apply for an Irish passport, but you never know.
Report lfc1971 • July 11, 2017 5:05 PM BST
now wouldn`t it be interesting if we could all be issued with Irish passports, allowing freedom of movement between Ireland and Britain, and of course freedom of movement between Britain(with Irish passport)
but no freedom of movement from the EU to Britain, post brexit.
That would solve all pproblems.
Report pa lapsy • July 11, 2017 5:05 PM BST
Can you play football?
Report Stow_judge • July 11, 2017 5:06 PM BST
I do love the slower pace of life in Ireland. A fine holiday destination if you aren't too bothered about the grim weather.
Report lfc1971 • July 11, 2017 5:07 PM BST
* freedom of movement between Britains Irish passport holders( all of us) and the EU, but of course no freedom of movement to britain from the EU
Report Stow_judge • July 11, 2017 5:09 PM BST
My football playing days are well over.Sad I was an ok footballer, but was/am not especially athletic.
Report pa lapsy • July 11, 2017 5:13 PM BST
Grin You still might do.

That would be an ideal scenario lfc,i sinserely hope brexit works out well for the UK, i believe it was the right thing to do and you as a country stood up to Merkels whims at the right time.
Report Stow_judge • July 11, 2017 5:16 PM BST
I fear we will suffer a fair amount of pain before/if it gets better. I am fairly hopeful, but we don't appear to have any/many decent politicians or negotiators.
Report bellico • July 11, 2017 5:20 PM BST
Bad idea for Irish government to hand out passports to all and sundry, devalues the passport in my opinion and may come back  to bite us on the backside, when some "IRISH" Citizien  commits  some dreadful  atrocity  with the aid of his Irish  passport
Report Cider • July 11, 2017 5:43 PM BST
I'm an Irish citizen courtesy of my Mum. Says here that you can't download the app, and have to go to the embassy.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/travel_abroad/passports/applying_for_or_renewing_an_irish_passport.html#ld1a9a

Costs 80 Euro
Report kincsem • July 11, 2017 6:44 PM BST
Welcome Jack.
There is a ceremony every few months where new citizens are welcomed.  They show a little of it on the tv news.

Get used to supporting a football team that tries to win.
Report FredRescue • July 11, 2017 7:23 PM BST
More British people are eligible for Irish passports than there currently are Irish people in the world Crazy
Report s.kenbo • July 11, 2017 8:06 PM BST
My Old Man moved over from Ireland in the 60's. He's always had an Irish passport, and it was a nightmare going through any borders on holiday in the late 80's early 90's. He'd get stopped and searched, and singled out because of his passport at opportunity.
Report breadnbutter • July 11, 2017 8:13 PM BST
not sure citizen and pp holder are same thing ,i could get one if i wanted but dont see the need and wont be traveling in the EU if i can avoid it. If they go to visas for spain ect ,these countries are gunna suffer .be as easy going elsewhere and much cheaper.
Report Jack Hacksaw • July 12, 2017 11:42 AM BST
Thanks for the welcoming words from my Irish brethren.

The most likely scenario is that I will have contributed £70 towards the Irish public purse for a small booklet that sits unused in a draw, but it is a comforting thought and does, at least, give me some options.

Next stage...get Mrs Hacksaw in?

Have loads of kids?

I am beginning to see how this immigration thing works!
Report Blackrock • July 12, 2017 12:02 PM BST
Passports in Ireland are not handed out to any mug who applies.

If you have Irish parentage and can prove it, you qualify for a passport. If you are not Irish and apply for a passport, you have to have worked in Ireland [paying tax] for a minimum of 5 years.

The citizenship and passport will cost you 1120 euro's.
Report lfc1971 • July 12, 2017 1:26 PM BST
Well if that`s how they are being given out it follows that they are being handed out to any mug that applies, as long as they are Irish?
Report lfc1971 • July 12, 2017 5:30 PM BST
Laugh now now workrider they were entitled to fight for Britain because they were part of the British Empire.
You are rightly proud.
However the British Empire no longer exists and that means you are not entitled to an Irish passport if you are living and working in Britain

Now its a great pity the Empire is no longer here, I am sure you agree.
Report detraveller • July 12, 2017 6:55 PM BST

Jul 12, 2017 -- 7:26AM, lfc1971 wrote:


Well if that`s how they are being given out it follows that they are being handed out to any mug that applies, as long as they are Irish?


You will as usual call me senseless but im not surprised you have no clue how easy it can be in many European countries to get a passport. Mind you for skilled workers it can be as less as 18 months. Europe has tried a lot of things to solve its demographic problem and this is one of them. You might want to take a shot at the irish for this but did you ever wonder why britain is home to so much of the scum of the earth? England ridiculing Ireland for handing out passports will make for a bloody good joke.

Report akabula • July 12, 2017 7:30 PM BST

Blackrock
Passports in Ireland are not handed out to any mug who applies.
If you have Irish parentage and can prove it, you qualify for a passport


I thought that if you had Irish grandparents you could also apply. Is that wrong?
Report Hank Hill • July 12, 2017 7:38 PM BST
Anyone that can have dual citizenship would be foolish not to obtain it. My son is dual UK/US because of his mum.
Report Blackrock • July 13, 2017 4:41 PM BST
Yes Aka - applies to grandparents as well as parents.
Report akabula • July 13, 2017 7:34 PM BST
What about other countries?
Do the same rules apply?
Or is this unique to Ireland?
Report Blackrock • July 13, 2017 8:41 PM BST
Dont know about other countries Aka. Loads of Brits in Ireland concerned about Brexit and trying to get a passport just incase.
Report casemoney • July 13, 2017 10:01 PM BST
"Ireland still enjoy a very favourable 12.5% corporate tax rate"

I can assure you it is Not favourable with the Rest of Europe Plain
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