Bet you did'nt know this fact of life in the universe.

You win your bet, brassneck, I didn't know that.

just after reading this.when the maths experts do their sums they always get zero %

So I guess we should not be here according to the maths.

We are just holograms according to some so we aren't really here.

Smoke and mirrors

Not sure your scientific fact can be confirmed as a scientific fact.
Actually, I'm fairly sure it isn't scientific fact!
So once you discount the fact that it cannot (by dint of a probably infinite universe) be cited as a fact, the rest of the factual arithmetic sort of goes out of the wormhole.

Spoilsport.

I like your idea that we're all holograms though.
There might be whole hologram planets.
Parallel universes like planet of the apes.... all sorts
Loads to have fun with.

It can all be found on futurama.

Wouldn't be surprised to see the crazy gang here before long to discuss all that. Looking forward to it.

It'll all be the because of lefties and the religion of peace.

Drake Equation - BBC4 tonight

If it's all illusion then anything you create or build is illusion?
Museums full of art worth billions all illusion.
all the books illusions. the forests and the animals.

Somehow it's all a computer projection, now that we all use computers?
nobody said this in 1920, when computers didn't exist?
It's because we watch screens now all day that we associate reality with
a flickering image. It's just another stupid theory. Not yet a LAW.

How many physic students are there? how many physics professors?
because they all have to justify their existence and come up with
a thesis to pass out of Universities. Or to get a job promotion?
In art schools like Goldsmiths you have to come up with some deep thought
BS to sell your wares. Blood sculptures. Paintings made with elephant dung.
a dead shark split down the middle with a fly colony trapped within.
It's the same thing. I am an individual with a mad idea. I'm interesting.
I wear a pie hat and have a gold tooth. It's all absurd. reality has left
the building. Occasionally they chance upon something that works.. a mold dish
that has been left out. Then they investigate it at length to find out why
it works. But all they are doing is discovering. They are rarely understanding
the mechanism. If they did making new antibiotics would be an everyday activity.

2 things about the Drake equation.
1. It only applies to our galaxy and not the whole universe
and
2. It makes suppositions about the form life takes - ie that what's needed is Earthlike planets and conditions.

Anyone who's ever seen star trek knows life could be made of energy and come from a giant space whale!

I think I've seen it before. Nick but I've put it on record as I have to be up early tomorrow.

It's a chilling thought but I do believe it's likely we're alone in the universe.

nope - there is God and there's the fallen angels that pretend to be gods.
so we are not alone.

Piero Manzoni, Merda d'Artista, Zorro, remember him from your art appreciation classes?

Zorro, at the risk of getting into a theological spat
(actually, I won't because I'm turning this off and going to bed now)

The issue is simple:
Space is very big. We don't get it, because we aren't capable of getting it and we don't have enough information to go on, plus we are completely incapable of understanding big spaces or long periods of time, let alone infinity.

So Religion makes for a handy, popular, catch-all and safe(ish) explanation.
There's no proof of any of it any more than there is proof that there isn't of it.
I know what is more likely though.

I_agree_with_nick - I don't agree with you
It is almost impossible, imo that we are alone. We all just so far apart we'll never meet. Then there's the timing aspect.
Just suppose someone found this planet at any time in the last 4 billion years or so. They had, for most of it, found no life, for loads of it rudimentary life and for about 5,000 years (the equivalent of a few seconds if it was all equal to a 24 hour clock) some form of intelligence - and that's assuming they didn't see this forum.

Even then 70% of the Earth is Sea, about 50% -(guess) is uninhabitable, so they'd need to be lucky enough to find the right bits.
Then there's the size/time thing.
They'd need to exist in our time frame, and they'd need to be of an equivalent size. They could be 1 inch creatures in 3 foot ships, they might breathe methane.

Plenty of life, just no chance of seeing it.

If it's possible here, it's possible elsewhere so I do not think we are alone as a life form.
Communication is the problem due to the vast distances and the time it takes for information to travel from one place to another at the speed of light. (100,000 years just to cross our galaxy). Should we by chance hear a message from ET it's likely they had gone extinct before we evolved, (or before Adam and Eve if you prefer).

Totally agree about the timing and scale aspects.

What I can't get past is the massive leap from chemistry to biology. The one place where we know that conditions are ideal for the support of life is here on Earth.

So why in 5 billion years has life only occurred once? (Virtually the entire scientific community agree that we are all decscended from the first single-celled organism.)

we are here to invent AI

then they can colonise the universe

simples

we will be their god

message crossed with studyform's. We were thinking along the same lines.

We don't know, I_A_W_N.
It just fits current theory.

Maybe in a hundred years they'll discover Dinosaurs went to school and played big pianos!
Or Mars had lots of underground life 2 billion years ago.

I can remember when Jupiter had 9 moons and Saturn 5!
We know nothing.

btw, fwiw, I think the big bang theory is a load of toffee too. No-one's going to listen to me about it though.

I'm aware of the scale - over a trillion stars per person on earth. and the nearest one is 4 miles away if we scale our planets down to one meter across.
My school pal became head of astronomy. I got the lectures.

The conditions when the first life formed were very different to now (no free oxygen for example). Soon after the first life appeared the conditions would have changed. Any new starter life forms would have been eaten by the existing ones.

Forget the stuff we know, zorro. It's about the stuff we DON'T know.

Which is nearly everything.

The universe has to be that vast. Otherwise Carbon atoms could not form.
But it all fits into sub dimensions and there is higher dimensions.
so we see it as big and God sees it as small.

Checking out for tonight.

There was an idea a few years ago that if we sprinkled some Silver Iodide into Venus's atmosphere, then it might cause rain to form and fall and cool the planet down and that in a couple of hundred years make it more visitable and manageable.

My guess is that this was just a way for some scientists to get funding (wages) for some nonsense work, which unfortunately is what much astronomy is. Still it gives Journalists who are easily blinded and confused by science easy work.

Zorro - All manner of heavier elements are formed by Supernovae, over a long time and in big enough quantity to form a self-propelling method of production (which we have on earth).

Night Foinavon.
Don't dwell too much on this.

We don't know how life formed. Scientists have attempted to create life under laboratory conditions but have only been able to produce RNA which are required for the formation of DNA but are non-biological molecules.

evolution is dead - didn't you get the memo?

they gave up on the tree of life.
they abandoned an explanation of how life began.
they concede with reluctance that a designer might be involved(aliens by dawkins).
They have the fibonacci sequence dictating the structures of everything.
all the universal constants are on a knife edge of ridiculousness.
DNA is information, and information needs to be sent and received.
they can not observe the past, so time indexing it is stupid.

Writing began at the time Adam Appeared. 195 thousand years of doing nothing?
but in the last six thousand years we are super special? mere coincidence.

in a lab - get your own building blocks? you have to start with inert matter.

I think I will invent a time machine and go into the future and then I can come back and tell you all.After all even the great Albert Einstein said that it was his belief that man will travel into the future some day but he was not so sure about travelling back to the past.Now I am not one for arguing with the great man ,so I guess a time machine could sort a lot out,but how does one get back from the future if you go there.

I have an open mind - including to the possibility of a creator. I wouldn't rule anything out!

travelling forward in time should be fairly easy in the future

going back doest sound so easy and i dont see any future folk coming back to teach us how !

if you are outside of the sub dimensions. Then you can see all of the road. all of time.
we are stuck in these dimensions. God sees the end from the beginning. Time travel as a concept was in the bible.

You guys don't get it - it's all Kaballah mysticism.
Most of the nobel prize winners are all Jewish.
The great Einstein.

go look up ideas from Kaballah Mystics - it's your science.
it's multiverses, it's the micro and macro.

Science started out of alchemy and black magic.
they wanted gold from lead(chemistry)

Surely if travelling back in time will ever be possible, someone would have come back from the future to the earliest point in time at which they wouldn't have been dismissed as a wacko!

Are we there yet?

I am just after doing my first test on going into the future ,so I went into life this day next year and only stayed 20 seconds and I have returned ok ,so my first test was successful.(As I was only there for 20 seconds I could not find out much other that Manchester City won the premier league by 8 points) but a first successful mission.

Kaballah - £300 for a bottle of water and a piece of string may be ok for Madonna and Britney but I think I'll swerve it.

somebody would have to be the first to go back in time

but if you went back and showed somebody how to do it then it would
already be history

Brassneck - is that how you've managed to win £140k on football already this season?

http://www.momentmag.com/jewish-thought-influenced-science/

God favours the Jews and they have made science what it is today.
They supplied the methodology taking it away from the Greeks.
before it was all physical materials. But we now are in a world of
intangibles.

nick,my system works ,so I can win as much as I want to but I am not greedy.And so can you if you follow the one rule that I say.and then just look at your available to bet balance go up like a petrol pump,but don't bring attention to yourself trying to make 100 grand a week or you will be stopped,settle for a couple of grand a week.A drop in the bucket and it will still fill up but nobody will notice.

you all went wrong with NEWTON.

GRAVITY. you made it King of the universe.

but if you look at the atom, delve down into the atom.
it's all about the electro magnetic fields.
Gravity is weak. the electro magnetic force is vastly stronger.

They tell you that 96 percent of the universe is missing (dark matter and dark energy)
but if they take out gravity and put in the electro magnetic force it is all there.
They made Gravity king, when it's the deuce.
the micro world is the same as the macro world. It's controlled by electro magnetism.
If it was gravity the spirals we see would be all gone by now. dissipated.

NICK,remember you have to crawl before you walk,and walk before you run.But people only notice when you run in the 100 meter's in the olimpics.

I think that dark matter is anti gravity,but nobody knows,there had to be anti gravity at the first impact(big bang)but where did it go,so brassneck comes up with another unanswerable question for the scientiests.remember you heard this question here first from brass.

correction=dark energy

quote -
"Is the electromagnetic force really strong?"

It is very strong and this is surprising too because it can work over an infinite range. To give you an idea, the electromagnetic force is approximately 1036 times stronger than the earth's gravitational field! That is (to put it in perspective) 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times stronger than gravity on Earth! If this was not the case, all material would collapse into a black hole! Forces compete, on Earth the electromagnetic force wins. In a black hole, gravity is a very strong contender.

"What does the electromagnetic force repel and attract?"
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it's a tug o war being described... gravity and electromagnetism. There is no missing matter or dark energy. just controlled chaos. abstraction.

Scientists know the universe is expanding at an increasing rate. They say “dark energy” is the force behind this expansion. They don’t know what “dark energy” is, but it may defy Einstein’s theory of gravity.
A NASA paper describing dark energy says one possibility “is that Einstein’s theory of gravity is not correct.”
“That would not only affect the expansion of the universe, but it would also affect the way that normal matter in galaxies and clusters of galaxies behaved,” the paper states. “This fact would provide a way to decide if the solution to the dark energy problem is a new gravity theory or not: we could observe how galaxies come together in clusters. But if it does turn out that a new theory of gravity is needed, what kind of theory would it be?”
ALSO SEE: Immense Force Changing Cosmos—Baffled Scientists Rethink Current Paradigm

summed up - brexit - 49 percent vs 51 percent

Cluster Fked physics. it's a big guessing game.

if we are all holograms why does my wife weigh so much ?

Zorro,I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU(sometimes I think  you are brian cox).
QUESTION="one second before the big bang,why did the (everything contained=the future universe)in the small ball, not collapse into a blackhole"and why did the gravity of the universe (included in the small ball )not stop the big bang.
This proves to me that there had to be anti gravity inside the small ball but all the everything should have collapsed and formed a blackhole so it proves to me that the big bang did not happen ,and the universe was always there and always will be there ,unless of course someone or some god created it."

I've posted before that HORIZON screened a program on physicists who
do not believe in the big Bang Paradigm. It was narrated by Bernard Hill.
"Horizon" What Happened Before the Big Bang? (TV Episode 2010)

It's consensus science - it's not based on proof. It's opinion.
they have observations and then they make a story to fit what they
see. There's no way to recreate the event because we are in it.

it's like trying to imagine a chicken when you are inside the atom
of a fried egg.

With Time it will come? maybe. Steven Weinberg says we'll never know,
it's too complicated (nobel prize winner and atheist)

can i have copyright on that sentence?

See.
What I said!
It's about what we don't know, not what we do.
And we know more or less nothing.

To say that life has a 0% chance of evolving by chance is wrong.
because the sentence doesn't make sense.

it would make more sense to say that life has a 0% chance of not evolving by chance.

because it is not possible for anything not to evolve, that is alive.

I had an epiphany about all this today. Probably one that most have had already.

Theres two big elements of chance necessary to get where we are today, the chance of life, and the chance of reproduction.

So life must be a relatively common phenomena for us to have landed the reproduction element too. Its just that most of the other life out there just crops up and dies without getting anywhere.