Bet you did'nt know this fact of life in the universe.

just after reading this.when the maths experts do their sums they always get zero %

We are just holograms according to some so we aren't really here.

Not sure your scientific fact can be confirmed as a scientific fact.
Actually, I'm fairly sure it isn't scientific fact!
So once you discount the fact that it cannot (by dint of a probably infinite universe) be cited as a fact, the rest of the factual arithmetic sort of goes out of the wormhole.

I like your idea that we're all holograms though.
There might be whole hologram planets.
Parallel universes like planet of the apes.... all sorts
Loads to have fun with.

It can all be found on futurama.

It'll all be the because of lefties and the religion of peace.

If it's all illusion then anything you create or build is illusion?
Museums full of art worth billions all illusion.
all the books illusions. the forests and the animals.

Somehow it's all a computer projection, now that we all use computers?
nobody said this in 1920, when computers didn't exist?
It's because we watch screens now all day that we associate reality with
a flickering image. It's just another stupid theory. Not yet a LAW.

How many physic students are there? how many physics professors?
because they all have to justify their existence and come up with
a thesis to pass out of Universities. Or to get a job promotion?
In art schools like Goldsmiths you have to come up with some deep thought
BS to sell your wares. Blood sculptures. Paintings made with elephant dung.
a dead shark split down the middle with a fly colony trapped within.
It's the same thing. I am an individual with a mad idea. I'm interesting.
I wear a pie hat and have a gold tooth. It's all absurd. reality has left
the building. Occasionally they chance upon something that works.. a mold dish
that has been left out. Then they investigate it at length to find out why
it works. But all they are doing is discovering. They are rarely understanding
the mechanism. If they did making new antibiotics would be an everyday activity.

I think I've seen it before. Nick but I've put it on record as I have to be up early tomorrow.

nope - there is God and there's the fallen angels that pretend to be gods.
so we are not alone.

Zorro, at the risk of getting into a theological spat
(actually, I won't because I'm turning this off and going to bed now)

The issue is simple:
Space is very big. We don't get it, because we aren't capable of getting it and we don't have enough information to go on, plus we are completely incapable of understanding big spaces or long periods of time, let alone infinity.

So Religion makes for a handy, popular, catch-all and safe(ish) explanation.
There's no proof of any of it any more than there is proof that there isn't of it.
I know what is more likely though.

I_agree_with_nick - I don't agree with you
It is almost impossible, imo that we are alone. We all just so far apart we'll never meet. Then there's the timing aspect.
Just suppose someone found this planet at any time in the last 4 billion years or so. They had, for most of it, found no life, for loads of it rudimentary life and for about 5,000 years (the equivalent of a few seconds if it was all equal to a 24 hour clock) some form of intelligence - and that's assuming they didn't see this forum.

Even then 70% of the Earth is Sea, about 50% -(guess) is uninhabitable, so they'd need to be lucky enough to find the right bits.
Then there's the size/time thing.
They'd need to exist in our time frame, and they'd need to be of an equivalent size. They could be 1 inch creatures in 3 foot ships, they might breathe methane.

Plenty of life, just no chance of seeing it.

Totally agree about the timing and scale aspects.

What I can't get past is the massive leap from chemistry to biology. The one place where we know that conditions are ideal for the support of life is here on Earth.

So why in 5 billion years has life only occurred once? (Virtually the entire scientific community agree that we are all decscended from the first single-celled organism.)

message crossed with studyform's. We were thinking along the same lines.

I'm aware of the scale - over a trillion stars per person on earth. and the nearest one is 4 miles away if we scale our planets down to one meter across.
My school pal became head of astronomy. I got the lectures.

Forget the stuff we know, zorro. It's about the stuff we DON'T know.

Which is nearly everything.

Checking out for tonight.

We don't know how life formed. Scientists have attempted to create life under laboratory conditions but have only been able to produce RNA which are required for the formation of DNA but are non-biological molecules.

in a lab - get your own building blocks? you have to start with inert matter.

I have an open mind - including to the possibility of a creator. I wouldn't rule anything out!

if you are outside of the sub dimensions. Then you can see all of the road. all of time.
we are stuck in these dimensions. God sees the end from the beginning. Time travel as a concept was in the bible.

Surely if travelling back in time will ever be possible, someone would have come back from the future to the earliest point in time at which they wouldn't have been dismissed as a wacko!

Are we there yet?