2000 yrs ago WE was told disasters, wars & famines (why are you shocked by recent events)

It does show the damage alcohol and drugs can do to a person.

All this nibbling at the bible is supremely flawed. The bible is constructed using the number seven to such an extent that supercomputers would take millions of years to emulate it.
So it's an impossible book - forget the content, all the stories and the whole content of it being about God. It's impossible in the framework construction. You schmucks don't get it.
Gods coming back and you will be cosmically shafted if you continue with this BS.

Dustybin I asked you to watch ten minutes of tv, did you try, you said yesterday you'd have a look, are words meaningless to you?

when there is a gap between the making of monies

This is the real world not phantasy.

Put me down for cosmically shafted. Sounds exciting.

Zorro, with all respect what will you honestly say if come October and there's no rapture and no cosmically shafting?

5777 - 5778
Hebrew Language is an old language going back to pictographs,
images that have meanings, like Egyptian.

5 means grace
7 means completion
777 means christ
8 means a new beginning

5777 means the end of Grace, completion.
5778 moving from the grace covenant to the new covenant.

Again this is one small thing. It's the 70th year since Israel became a nation.
50 year anniversary of Jerusalem returning to Israel. (two prophetic events)
the sanhedrin has reformed after almost 2000 yrs.

the star sign up above ending on the gap between 5777 and 5778

There is more than a hundred coincidences reinforcing this year, either it's the starting pistol, or it's aimed directly at the heart. I believe it will kick off with the rapture. A lot of people think this.

You think hell is a joke, a fantasy? something to experience like a toothache.
it's a gnashing of teeth, it's complete separation of God from that part of creation that does not want him. God is sustaining everyone till the last day. You don't even know it. You'll be a screaming banshee without God to support you. A mental case rattling about a black hole. enjoy.

Ive watched it for 12 minutes, I should receive a medal.

Well theres a number of issues.
Firstly I assume you have under written these claims zorro? Because the honest truth is that by around the fourth tier of his claims he is essentially granstanding on faith that what he says is true, if you arnt fluent in Greek then how can you validate such claim?
Which sort of makes me think of the term 'vested interest'. Just as anyone who might support a football team comes up with an arguement as to why they think they are great, believers come up with claims to bamboozle non belivers as some sort of proof that they are true.
Quite why such a pattern would exist also doesnt seem logical.
Just a tiny part of the claim suggests 'the number of words that have appeared more than once are (individually I assume, each) divisable by seven'
That claim alone suggests only the words used once, werent divisable by 7 (well why not, if this is written by design by god, and that this evaluation is argued to be significant isnt this therefore an oversight?) but be that as it may this cant be true since it is still a remarkable claim that if provable would vindicate the argument to a significant number of non believers....therefore they would have challenged those who know fluent Greek to shoot it down.

I read the book by Michael Drosdin when I was younger. It had alsorts of wildly outlandish claims that the hebrew bible was just one big wordsearch puzzle that predicted the future.....after the events happened.
I cant recall what sort of succesrate he had for the future but he should have been getting 100% wouldnt you say?

All this fascination with the number 7.
I was born on a date divisable by 7, lived my childhood at number 7, my christian and surname are both divisable by 7 and my middle name is (Christ)opher.
That wasnt planned......or was it?

The similarities between football supporters and defenders of the faith are not accidental as both types of allegiance are tribal in nature.

Under written - Ivan Panin was born in Russia on December 12, 1855. Having participated in plots against the Czar at an early age, he was exiled and, after spending some years studying in Germany, he came to the United States and entered Harvard University. Graduating in 1882.

In 1890 he discovered some of the phenomenal mathematical designs underlying both the Greek text of the New Testament and the Hebrew text of the Old Testament.

He was to devote over 50 years of his life painstakingly exploring the numerical structure of the Scriptures, generating over 43,000 detailed, hand-penned pages of analysis (and exhausting his health in the process). He went on to be with the Lord in his 87th year, on October 30, 1942.

The Heptadic Structure

The recurrence of the number seven - or an exact multiple of seven - is found throughout the Bible and is widely recognized. The Sabbath on the seventh day; the seven years of plenty and the seven years of famine in Egypt; the seven priests and seven trumpets marching around Jericho; the Sabbath Year of the land are well-known examples.

Also, Solomon's building the Temple for seven years, Naaman's washing in the river seven times, and the seven churches, seven lamp stands, seven seals, seven trumpets, seven bowls, seven stars, and so on in the Book of Revelation, all show the consistent use of the number seven.

But there turns out to be much more below the surface. Ivan Panin noted the amazing numerical properties of the Biblical texts - both the Greek of the New Testament and the Hebrew of the Old Testament. These are not only intriguing to discover, they also demonstrate an intricacy of design which testifies to a supernatural origin!

You are right Chuck is using his research - not his own. Like you rely on Darwin and other scientists to reinforce your viewpoints.

As a gambler, you must realize what Chuck is describing is impossible for jewish scholars of the first century to create. It's impossible to do now for supercomputers. It's just impossible. 7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7....... on and on.
what other book does this... can you find one.
why would they do it?
did they know they were doing it?

Or more pertinantly why do believers want it to be so?
What does it mean other than it uses a number that they are told to fetishise?

Having such a formula substanciated with somebody who spent 50 years of his life doesnt suggest to me that his testonomy alone should be considered vindication, after all do you think after fifty years spent on it he would likely say 'bollox, nearly right'?

Ofc not. He was so invested in it by that time and knew nobody else was anywhere close to undermine it.
Like when Freud built a reputation for himself inventing all sorts of while claims being the one eyed man in the land of the blind, who was going to argue?

I believed by faith for the last 25 years but only in the last two did I come across
this stuff below. I was just oblivious to it. I expected to see Jesus when I died in the fullness of time. like most Christians.
Something is coming....

2017. It’s 500 years exactly since the Turks (ottoman empire) took control of the holy land. 1517 to 1917.(eight jubilee cycles under their control)

It’s  the 500th anniversary year of the protestant church, the reformation. Martin Luther’s declaration of intent.

2017. the last jubilee was within the Jewish year sept1966 to sept 1967.
The six day war and recovery of Jerusalem. Returned to Israel.

September 21 – international day of peace.

2017 – it’s 70 years since Israel became a nation, UN mandate Nov 1947,  1948.

It’s a jubilee year – oct 1st 2016 to sept 21st 2017, Jewish calendar.

2017 – 100 years from the Balfour declaration, letter to Rothschild.

2017 – 100 years since the British took the holy land from the Turks, general Allenby is associated with a miracle that made it a bloodless victory, when the town surrendered. Allenby walked into Jerusalem, dismounting from his horse. Referencing Jesus entry on a donkey/ass.

1977 – 2017 – anniversary of 1977 Palestine conflict – 40 years.

2017 – 120 years from the Jewish national congress.

In a jubilee year – all debts are cancelled. The land is returned, slaves released, sins forgiven.

500 year anniversary of the Protestant reformation – Martin Luther. 1517 AD.

Super moon November 16-20th 2016.. Jupiter enters Virgo on 17th – leaves 23rd Sept 2017.. new Jewish Year begins Sept 21st 2017(5778)

1,260 days before Revelation 12 sign, series of four blood red moons on Sabbath days – 2015 AD.

The star sign is not just Jupiter in Virgo – it’s the sun, moon, mars, venus, mercury and other heavenly bodies. A non-repeatable event.

1,948 bc – Abraham covenant  - Israel 1948 AD. 2018 new covenant.

70 th anniversary of the dead sea scrolls being found.

120 jubilees from Adam. 70 jubilees from Canaan. 40 jubilees from Jesus.

5777 – means Grace and completion(777 means Christ)

2017 – peace and safety, international day of peace.

70th jubilee from exodus.

6000 years plus 1000 years = 7000 years total

psalms – a generation is seventy years.

2015 + 2016 – the SanHedrin reformed, they blow the shofar from Sept 21st, - Rosh Hashana ,1,946 years gap. The shofar is a trumpet, blown on the feast of trumpets.

September 21st – Nehemiah 8 – great assembly

70 ad Rome destroys Israel using Syrian soldiers, 1,947 years .
2017----5777.

Sir Isaac Newton and Jonathen Edwards – 2016 start if Tribulation, Oct2016-se23 2017. UN resolution against Israel December 2016. vote to separate Jerusalem from Israel.


Did Mark Chiswell complete an in depth analysis of the 23 September 2017 Heavenly Sign.  checking seven thousand years to find no comparable event, checking 6,200 years into the past and 1,200 years into the future which is equivalent to Man's entire History to prove it has never occurred before nor will it ever again?
Yes, he did.

THE MOON REGULARLY PASSES VIA VIRGO BUT PASSES AT THE FEET OF VIRGO ONLY ONCE EVERY 19 YEARS JUPITER PASSES VIA THE CONSTELLATION ONCE EVERY 12 YEARS. BUT ONLY ONCE EVERY 83 YEARS IS IT INSIDE THE WOMB FOR 42 WEEKS.

THE SUN ONLY MOVES THROUGH VIRGO ONCE EVERY YEAR
IT IS RARE THE WANDERING STARS MERCURY MARS AND VENUS ALIGN ON 9/23/17 THEY ARE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE KING STAR REGULUS
THIS SIGN IS THE FULFILLMENT OF JOHN'S VISION IN REVELATION 12.

Is it fact that the 11/29/47 UN Partition of Palestine to 11/27/2024 on our timeline = 77 years exact?  For an absolute fact it is.

Only 2 remaining unfulfilled feasts, Trumpets & Atonement are fulfilled in exact coorelation to the number of days given Daniel by the angel Gabriel.

Our timeline BEGINS EXACTLY on the beginning of the new Jewish year 5778.

5778/Rosh Hashana/Feast of Trumpets/Revelation 12 Sign Alignment/Jesus Birth Month.


From the Solar Eclipse on Feast of Trumpets Sept 13,2015 to Sept 13, 2024 (Second Coming date on our Alpha to Omega Timeline)  9 Years Exact.

Balfour Declaration to now  = 100 yrs exact.

Aug 21 2017 Solar eclipse to the beginning of the tribulation 10/ 20/17 on our timeline: 60 days.

Eclipse August 21, 2017 forward 33 days to the Rev 12 Sign.

40 days from the Aug 21, 2017 eclipse to Atonement.

Beginning of year 5778  21st of Sept 2017 to the exact time of the Rev 12 Sign alignment = 40 hours.

Jesus returns to establish His Kingdom ON THE VERY DAY of the anniversary of which the UN broke ground to establish THEIRS. September 14, 1948.

Daniel was deported in 598BC. From 598 BC to 2017 is 2,615 years. There are 2,615 days from 9/30/17 Day of Atonement to 11/27/24 The Blessed day on our timeline.

On 23rd Sept 1990 Saddam said he would destroy Israel ON THAT DATE.

101 years now since the creation of Planned Parenthood.

On Sept 22 1991 the California University made the Dead Sea Scrolls public. Forward 26 years to Sept 22, 2017.

Exactly 100 years ago TO THE DAY, from when Trump launched an attack against Syria April 7, 2017, America entered the first world war, on April 7th, 1917. He also launched that attack 77 days into his presidency.

The 25th day of the 9th month is the start of Hanukkah. So the "Blessed Day" is the day before the start of Hanukkah.

6000 years-7000 years,  Agenda of God.
Johannes Kepler, founder modern astronomy determined 2024 is year 6000 since creation in 3977 BC. Our conclusions are in harmony with Kepler's findings and his laws.
Parable of fig tree. 1948 Israel reborn- Psalm 90. Generation = 70 years.
Israel 70 in 2018. Abraham born 1948 years after creation. Received covenant 2018 years after creation.
1st Zionist Congress 1897-2017 = 120 year generation.
1967 Jerusalem retaken + 50 years (Jubilee) = 2017.
Sept 23, 1950 » The Knesset passes a resolution that states Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.
1948 Israel reborn + 70 years = 2018.
120th jubilee since Adam. 70th since Canaan.  40th since Christ's death.
Why would the alignment just happen to occur fulfilling the Revelation 12 sign in the heavens only hours from the new Hebrew year 5778?
How could Lamech (777) + 5 years (7775) = the flood (water of death), and the numbers be reversed (5778) reveal Water of Life, and this be a coincidence?
How could the Hebrew word YHWH = 2017 and Yahweh = 777 in Jewish Gematria, and the word God in English Gematria = 777, and this be a coincidence?
How could every date on our timeline except one land on a Friday, the last day of the week, with all dates both fulfilling the remaining feasts and having historical significance themselves and this be a coincidence?
How could the 20-30 year repeated cycle of 1897-2017 be a coincidence?
How could the 800 year old Rabinnical prophecy be a coincidence?
How could it be a coincidence that the meanings of the numbers 17-24 actually describe the 7 year tribulation period?
How could the 7 year gap between two major solar eclipses crossing the US in 2017 and 2024, be a coincidence?
Looking through all the failed rapture predictions of the past reveals they did not have near the evidence we have today?
Tishrei 1. Sept 21 rapture date on our timeline. The following occurred:
Adam Eve created. Noah's BD. Sarah conceives Isaac. Isaac blesses Jacob. Rachael conceives Joseph. Joseph released from prison. Pharaoh freed the slaves. Hannah conceives Samuel. David forgiven for Bathesheba sin. Daniel sees vision of judgment.
Jesus ascended. He wasn't harpazoed. So there is no conflict there.
We co reign with him as He rules with a rod of iron. We rule with him.  No conflict there.
The Bethlehem star was Jupiter converging with Regulus in Virgo. Not the Rev 12 sign.  So the Bethlehem Star was not the Rev 12 sign.
When we speak of birth we use the word DELIVERED.  Born once physically. New birth (second birth). Celestial heavenly birth (third and final birth).
Elijah knew he was going to be caught up. Noah knew when the flood was coming.
Matthew 24:36 "day nor the hour" no man knows but the Father has strong and convincing ties to the verse before referring to the creation of the new heavens and new earth.
The Body cannot be divided. or dismembered. The church is not Israel. Nor do church age saints become tribulation saints. Whether we are awake or sleep we will be raptured says Paul.
The only date written out in Jewish gematria, september twenty one, has a value of 2017. No other dates do.
The 30 day gap between the rapture and tribulation is proven to be necessary for numerous reasons. The most obvious being there must be war in heaven before satan is cast out and pursues the woman Israel.
The church is that living sacrifice that has continued which is taken away, requiring 1290 days from the rapture to the abomination of desolation.
September 23, 1932.  The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is Founded.
Israeli casualties during the Six Day War 1967. 777 exact. Six Day War to the present year, 2017, 50 years. A Jubilee.
Beginning date on our timeline, September 21, is the historical date of the Great Assembly (see Nehemiah 8). Oct 20, the beginning of the tribulation our timeline, was the day the modern Knesset laid it's cornerstone, which was patterned after the Great Assembly in Nehemiah 8.
September 21 in history...1451.  Cardinal Nicholas of Cusa orders Jews of Holland to wear a badge.

August 22, 1312 BC, AV 9 on the Hebrew calendar, Moses carves the Second Set of Tablets (out of sapphire aka september) , to the August 21, 2017 solar eclipse, 3328 years exact. 
September 21st 2017. UN International Day of Peace. "When they say peace and safety destruction cometh upon them suddenly as a woman giving birth."
The PATTERN of Abram's birth and Jesus birth BOTH being FOLLOWED BY (not preceded by) a sign in the heavens lends enormous support to a rapture occuring 2 days before the sign which is intended to show Israel what has occurred.
77 days into the tribulation Jupiter and Mars converge in Libra. The scales of justice.
June 1954 Eisenhower Congress puts "under God" in pledge. 70 years from that date brings us to 2024. 7 years after the Jewish year 5777.

Israel recaptured Jerusalem in 1967. Exactly 7 years later in 1974. Ayatollah Khomeini calls for an Islamic Republic in Iran. 7 years from Israel's Rebirth to the rebirth of an Islamic Caliphate.

There are 10,385 Christ return verses in the Bible.

G.H. Pember, an English theologian and author who was affiliated with the Plymouth Brethren, eventually discovered what we have all recently found out and wrote about it in 1914 where he alluded to the Rev 12 Sign as being something other than Jesus being born of Mary and ascending to Heaven in Acts and that the child was the Body of Christ caught up in the Harpazo (Rapture). He just didn't know what a computer was and could have never imagined a software program called Stellarium. Where are theologians like this today?

In the year 1217, an ancient Jewish Rabbi named Samuel  had a vision that outlined history from 1217 to 2017. A Jubilee occurs every 50 years. He said that in his vision Elijah in Heaven told him to add 6 Jubilees (300 years) from 1217, and the world would arrive at the year 1517. The Turks would take Jerusalem. They did. 8 Jubilees later (400 years) and we would arrive at the year 1917. The British would take Jerusalem and set the Jews free. They did. It happened to the day. A British General flies a plane over Jersusalem. The Turks had never seen a plane before. They believed this was a sign from God and fled back to Turkey without firing a single bullet. One Jubilee later (1967) the six day war would occur, and the Jews would take Jerusalem. They did.

The information I’ve been covering may be exhausting but it is by no means exhaustive. My hope is to wet your appetite and encourage you to examine these things for yourself. By taking the time to do so you cannot help but worship the Creator not bound by time,The Alpha and Omega, The beginning and the end, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Taking the meaning of each star and planet through all cultures for Regulus, Venus, Mars, Mercury, Sun, Spica, Jupiter, and the moon the message is clear. When we put it together we have this:

The King, The Lion of Judah, The Morningstar of Love, The Coming War, The Written Word, The One Who Breathed Life Into Being and Light Into Darkness, Is Gathering the Wheat, The King Is Arriving As Lightning With Grace For His Virgin.

12 TRIBES LEAVE EGYPT-TORAH RECEIVED MT SINAI 2448 HC-5778 HC MINUS 2448 HC = 3330 YEARS. DIVIDE 50 (JUBILEES) INTO 3330 YEARS AND YOU GET 66.6
The 12 Tribes leave Egypt and receive the Torah at Mt Sinai in the year 2448 (Heb Calendar). 5778 (which begins Sept 21, 2017) minus 2448 = 3330. Divide 50 (a Jubilee) into 3330 and you get....66.6. Also if we add 8 (completion) to 3330, the square root of 3338 is 57.77.
King David was born 2854 HC and died 2924 HC. 2854 + 2924 = 5778.
The Washington Monument opened to the public on October 9, 1888. This towering tribute to America’s first president took a century to plan and construct and wasn’t completed until the nation’s 21st president was in office. It stands 555 feet tall.
But...The Washington Monument was dedicated to the Sun God Shamash when construction started. The Washington Monument is 555 { above ground } and 111 feet underground for a total of approximately 666 feet.
555 feet = 6,660 inches.  Some say it's 6,666.6. Either way we have three sixes.
Year 5778 minus year 2448 = 3330 { the weight of the capstone } The weight of the capstone divided by 50 = 66.6.
Jubilee = 50 years
Jubilee is the year at the end of seven cycles of shmita. According to the Torah, observance of Jubilee only applies when the Jewish people live in the land of Israel according to their tribes. So with the exile of the tribes of Reuben, Gad, and Menashe (about 600 BCE) Jubilee has not been applicable.
The capstone of the Washington Monument weighs 3330 pounds. The difference between Torah @ Mt Sinai and 5778. So from the giving of the Torah to Moses on Mount Sinai in the Hebrew year 2448 to the Hebrew year 5778 { 2018 } are exactly 66.6 Jubilee periods.
The Revelation 12 sign is a once in 7000 year event. One divided by 7000=1.428571428571429e-4. Using just the first six figures of the equation we have  1.42857.
(1+4+2)=7. Using the other three numerals from the solution to the equation 8,5,7 and then including the (1+4+2) numeral (7) =  7,8,5 and 7.  Putting them in a different order.....5778.
It is concealed, but there nonetheless.

The number 40 in Scripture – 40 jubilees since Jesus.
(judgment testing probation trial)

April 2, 1981 Christian Militia battles Syrian Army East Lebanon (40 years).
November 26, 1984 US/Iraq establish diplomatic relations (40 years).
September 13, 1984 Shimon Peres forms Israeli Likud Party (40 years).
2017 marks 40 years since Iranian Revolution began forming 1977.
40 days Aug 21 2017 eclipse to Atonement Sept 30 2017.
40 days from April 2 2021 (midpoint on our timeline) to Rosh Chodesh May 12 2021.
40 hours from 5778 to the Rev 12 sign rising full above the horizon in Jerusalem.
"Life" and "I Am" both have a Jewish gematria value of 40.
The 40th verse (Genesis 2:9) mentions the tree of life & the tree of the knowledge of G & E.
FLOOD: Rained 40 days and 40 nights.
Israelites wandered in the desert 40 years. 40 was considered a generation.
Moses was 40 years in Egypt.
Moses was 40 years in the desert.
Moses on Mt Sinai 40 days and nights on 2 occassions.
Spies sent to investigate the promised land 40 days.
Jonah warned Nineveh in 40 days thy destruction comes.
Ezekiel laid on his right side for 40 days because of Judah's sins.
Elijah on Mt Horeb 40 days without food or water.
Jesus tested for 40 days and nights before His ministry.
Jesus appeared for 40 days after His resurrection.
Judges served and Kings ruled for 40 years.
Egyptians spent 40 days embalming Jacob's (Israel's) body.
American hostages were freed from Iran by the 40th US President Ronald Reagan.
Exodus has 40 chapters.
40 human authors of the Bible.
40 Jubilees = 2000 years.  Just as 120 Jubilees = 6000 years.
If 40 doesn't mean something in Scripture, I'll eat the microphone I'm speaking into.
And as many have forgot, the Iranian Revolution commenced Oct 1977,
That will be (40 years) to October 2017.

On December 23 2016 the US abstained from voting in support of Israel in the UN. Go forward EXACTLY 9 months (conception period) and we arrive at the date of the alignment on September 23, 2017. The sign is for Israel.

According to the Talmud, Adam was created on Tishrei 1. Christ is said to be the Second Adam. And as I pointed out in a recent video, Tishrei Day 1 could also very well be the birth of our Savior. And according to our timeline, His Body the Church will be caught up to heaven on Tishrei 1 (September 21). How fitting.
Could it actually be that the birthdays of Adam, Jesus, and the celestial birth of the Church all three coincide with the Rapture date? This is what the factual data seems to suggest.

taken from heavenly sign.

it's not just the sign it's quite a lot of stuff converging in 2017-18.

if you miss the bus, a minibus comes for stragglers. if you miss that you are
stranded forever.

Theres a word for finding patterns in things, cant recall it off the top of my head but its a human traight, like seeing faces in things.
Have you never seen the sequence of inponderables rlating to the facts of assasinated American Presidents?
Some really odd s hit there, so whats that meant to mean?

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it's not patterns - it's history.

ISRAEL exists after 1,877 years, no nation has reconstituted itself
after that length of time? why now? when 400 years ago it was talked
about by Pascal and Newton? why not a hundred years ago?
1947/48 + 70 = jesus.

it's lined up with the 6000 year plan.

it couldn't happen two hundred years in the past, or in the future.

the timing is spot on. this generation shall not pass.
you are willfully blind and it gets you the booby prize.

a guy shows up at your door with a briefcase full of money and you turn him away
because you are doubtful it's your inheritance. You never knew God so why listen
to the conman at your door. You've lost an unimaginable blessing and accepted destruction.

2 Timothy 3

But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God — having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people. They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.

If I lied to you would that make you feel better?
If I said yes it means something to me am I tricking god or myself?
Because I could pretend and offer hollow gesture to God Im a hedged bet saving my skin.

That doesnt seem very sincere does it?
Like I have told you before, we are shaped by nature of what we are and by nurture of how the environment impacted on us.
You can not fake love, and love only comes from what you know, not from what you dont.

I could tell you somebody will trip over a log and bang their head, and that they will be effected by politics and selfishness.
That many will be just a couple of numbers away from winning the lottery, and that they will wonder what they might have done differently to have chosen the 'right numbers'.

Its all ambivilent.
Seeing jesus in toast.

there's a difference between making a stencil for toast and making Israel a nation
to fit a time scale.
one requires half an hour the other 1877 years.

your sense of scale is off.

If you lose your faith because of a small betrayal like a slice of toast.
then you are very shallow.
there are would be demons pretending to be pastors. but I understand
they do not represent Jesus God or the Bible.

you tack on as much crap as you need to keep your nihilism intact.
Satan has made men do terrible things in the name of God. You
attribute it all to God. you are Satan's patsy.

Jesus said - it is done, on the cross. that was his job. the sacrifice
to give creation redemption. the point of the universe. It's not to collect
crap to fill your house.
you continue to believe in nothing and you get nothing.

We all go back to nothing, it is so.
Satan didnt invent evil, God did by all accounts.
You said yourself God wanted man to fail to create his narrative.
Thats not the work of an onimpotence, setting up fallible man to fit a plan, thats the invention of a human.

Wtf are you rattling on about toast for, the reference was that people see jesus' image in toast...and ironically thats the only time they will see, because by the greatness of your belief system, this all important life message, isnt carried by noble or honest creations....its carried by fallible humans....just as the prostitutes were relied upon as witness that jesus was resurected.

It tickles me to think God had this magnificent plan, but hired humans as it's marketeers and left ambiguity as its only trace.
Nice work.

dustybin, you lost me on the toast argument.

must do better.

That people see what they want to see.
Whether it be the significance of a coincidence or a pattern in toast.

Is Jesus in the toast, or is it simply that people have been hard wired into wanting to see it?

Nobody has ever seen Jesus and yet his image seen in toast, tea towels, clouds etc is a comparison to an image made originally by man from crucifix, drawings etc.

Why don't people say they've seen Robert Powel?

If you want a Lowest common denominator God Dustybin, it's in your mind.

You are limiting him by your own experiences. You mentioned films,toast and your teacher?
How very narrow in range is God if he is limited to such an extent.
He is outside this universe the bible clearly says this.
no other God is outside creation. All the made up BS gods are in the heavens, the stars.
The Jewish god is outside of time and space. It says it many times.
i've posted before on this. quotes from the bible.
He's also the oldest belief for God - this being 5777 on the Jewish calendar.

God created Satan and in Ezekiel he describes how he went bad. Satan has free choice too and he chose to be what he is, God on earth. He rules here. There is no danger to us from Satan. He can only kill you. You are limited in your mind to life here on earth. everyone dies and some of us will find our way back to God.
You've chosen double death. the death of the body and the soul. smart move. A child with cancer will die, God will judge a child and see that there was no evil there. He also will raise the dead and he will rule in his millennium kingdom on earth for 1000 years to sort out the people left over.
a seven thousand year plan. FREE CHOICE allows evil as a choice. This life is not everything and many see that as the truth. They have died to bring the word to the world.
He has refined us like Gold and silver and you dustybin are rusty iron.
You refuse knowledge of God because you are of the world, satan's world.
He has you captive and you don't even know it. He does not care for humanity, he sees himself as a god and his pride is greater than any atheists. All he wants is his time as
world ruler, which he gets, but only for a few years. He rules over all you twits that chose the double death.

Wrong.
Christianity says Jesus is the ONLY way.
So a child's heart is irrelevant if death comes before acceptance but after birth (and automatic original sin)

The option of evil that you refer can be traced back to the abandonment of God by design (or rather deferred entrapment if you prefer based on the act of others in original sin, yet the individual judged as a separate entity) and means that suffering is assured through life while happiness isn't.
We will all suffer in this life, and the journey towards relief generally impacts on others negatively.
Just as through all nature, one life thrives off the suffering of another.

You say I experience God only in film etc and this is true, because the almighty has tricked all with illusive nature and made unconscionable riddles that, if can't be accessed, can't be accessed by design.
Blaming the person for not seeing is akin to blaming the disabled for the in ability to walk.

All of this isn't against the concept of God, it's against the interpretation by man.

* an element of creation rather than 'God'

no - those that accept Christ do dot come under judgment.
those that are ignorant or willfully avoid God will be judged.
God is Good so he sees all your sins. Knows what is in your heart.
In the millenium Kingdom God is on King David's throne.
He is ruling over someone for 1000 years?
Perhaps those undecided, the ignorance of Jesus etc.
A second cut - because after the thousand years there are still
some people who chose evil. Pride and arrogance is prevalent still.
Jesus' kingdom is between the 6th and 7th millenium.
then the earth is retired - man is gone from the earth.
a new heaven and a new earth is created.

Ultimately God created us all and he decides what happens to each of us.
He's top honcho. The creation doesn't get a defence.
There are no law courts to debate your life in front of God.
No hoodwinking the judge.
Because God knows us all backwards.

Nobody 'chooses evil' by christianity's meaning of the word
Since 'Evil' means 'the absence of God'
If God is illusive to the individual or comes in a contrived riddle then that isn't by the design of the human.

Blind faith always results in abuse at the hands of other humans.

If I can choose my own sacrifice in preference to picking to play in a game engineered to inflict suffering on others, then my heart will stand unto scrutiny.

each man to his own way... God said it in the quote i gave before.
God is supremely good nothing can stand before him with sin.
Moses was on the mountain and it took its toll on him.
You are refusing to get rid of corruption. effectively hanging onto
your sins. All your good deeds are like filthy rags.
Nothing I do gets me into heaven except accepting Christ's action on the cross.
you cannot bribe your way into God's presence.
Blind faith was never an instruction given to the apostles by Jesus.
He told them to buy a sword for personal defence.
He said if the message was not received to move on.
he did not advocate taking abuse. Turn the other cheek, yes.
those that live by the sword die by the sword.

Self justification is pride in another form. God's grace is a gift.
If you go into a work place and do not give the boss of the work place
respect and try to run the work place yourself, you'll be out on your
ear soon enough. the boss will say - who do you think you are?

God's not interested in a suggestion box, it's his way or the highway.
you can mumble about equality and fairness and a list of PC rights?
It's not up to us. There is one Boss. One God. who made you. the pot
does not tell the potter what to do.

Nothing I do gets me into heaven except accepting Christ's action on the cross.
you cannot bribe your way into God's presence.

So what was meant by the child's heart?
The child is born kicking and screaming forced into what you imply is a godless earth, born into and containing the sins of its father an evil world in which you attest has been abandoned by God,and with no conscience of accepting Jesus.
So how can its heart be its saving grace?

Blind faith was meant as the absence to individuals of testonomy of the proof of the story they are told by mans mouth of Jesus, when they themselves have to self determine their own views based on evidence, or else they get sold down the river in life by a manipulative godless collective acting on their own advantage over others.

God the father and Jesus is in heaven, but at Pentecost(shavot)after
Jesus ascended he left the comforter, the holy spirit with the apostles.
the holy spirit is God, part of the Trinity. When you accept Jesus as your
saviour the spirit in dwells and teaches the saved about Jesus and God.
He is the author of the bible. Through him the prophets wrote the scriptures.
Because he is still here in the people who believe(the church) he has resisted
Satan. Holding him back. He is the restrainer. Only when he departs this year,
does it let Satan back in. Satan has tried with many dictators to conquer all
the world, but each time good men with spirit has fought back. But now the light
of the world is departing, withdrawing, God's word has reached all the world.
the grace covenant is ending. All that have accepted grace from the spirit have to depart(rapture). As the light departs, men will start to unravel. rage and anger is
in ascendancy. More crime, more violence. Once the rapture happens, the world will
quickly tip into Satan's court. He enforces the NEW covenant. the troubles of Jacob. the tribulation. the earth is not Godless. unless you are an atheist.

^

"Scientific beliefs are supported by evidence and they get results. Myths and faiths are not and do not."

Richard Dawkins, River Out of Eden: A Darwinian View of Life.

Professor Dawkins is on camera giving a lecture to the enlightened,
on youtube. He tells the crowd about Multiverse theory and quotes
Physicist Steven Weinberg - He then trots along to talk to Steve,
who being a proper atheist tells him he's up a tree. There is no
multiverse, that it's freakin impossible. That nobody in Physics
has even attempted to put forward this BS. It's a 10^120 possibility.
Dawkins can be seen rolling his eyes upward to the ceiling?(what's
up there mr Dawkins?)Steve just shafted his atheist buddy.
Real science is different to Pseudo Science which does not deal
with the truth.
So return to the original lecture, in the hall with the cheering
atheists and repeat the lies to them. First you misrepresented
the work of Steven Weinberg. Secondly you are spewing more deceits
to the deceived already. In a Hawaiian shirt too? where was Magnum
to collar you and throw ya in the slammer?

(Richard Dawkins and Steven Weinberg Discuss Science and Religion for a whole hour)
will Dustybin watch a full hour of atheists talking to each other? when he
found it hard going to watch ten minutes of Chuck missler? the answer is
probably yes. Atheists after all, are sane?

read about quantum theory, zorro. The multiverse theory seems to fit as a possible consequence of quantum entanglement. The evidence is building up. Contrast that with the intellectual sterility of bronze age religion.

GeEz mr Einstein, you might have got it wrong...

THE GIST
CERN Scientists say they have clocked subatomic particles that travel faster than light.
Researchers called on physicists around the world to scrutinize the data.
Albert Einstein's Theory of Relativity would have to be revisited if the findings hold true.
Physicists reported Thursday that sub-atomic particles called neutrinos can travel faster than light, a finding that - if verified - would be inconsistent with Einstein's theory of relativity.
In experiments conducted between the European Centre for Nuclear Research (CERN) in Switzerland and a laboratory in Italy, the tiny particles were clocked at 300,006 kilometres per second, slightly faster than the speed of light, the researchers said.

NEWS: Gravity Probe B Says Einstein Was Right, Again

"This result comes as a complete surprise," said physicist Antonio Ereditato, spokesman for the experiment, known as OPERA. "We wanted to measure the speed of neutrinos, but we didn't expect to find anything special."
Scientists spent nearly six months "checking, testing, controlling and rechecking everything" before making an announcement, he said.
Researchers involved in the experiments were cautious in describing its implications, and called on physicists around the world to scrutinize their data, to be made available online overnight.
But the findings, they said, could potentially reshape our understanding of the physical world.
"If this measurement is confirmed, it might change our view of physics," said CERN research director Sergio Bertolucci, a view echoed by several independent physicists contacted by AFP.

In the experiments, scientists blasted a laser-like beam producing billions upon billions of neutrinos from CERN, which straddles the French-Swiss border in Geneva, to the Gran Sasso Laboratory 730 kilometres (453 miles) away in Italy.
Neutrinos are electrically neutral particles so small that only recently were they found to have mass.
"The neutrinos arrived 60 nanoseconds earlier that the 2.3 milliseconds taken by light," Ereditato told AFP.

Under Albert Einstein's theory of Special Relativity, however, a physical object cannot travel faster than the speed of light in a vacuum.

They stopped measuring the speed of light in 1972, they set it as a constant.
It's used in metrics as a measuring stick. A lot of physicists want it
remeasured again as they believe it's slowing down.

I remember that particular experiment well as it caused a sensation at the time, however the findings were subsequently shown to be wrong due to errors in the measurement of time. Naturally your disreputable cretinist website won't tell you that. Lies by omission.
Einstein was wrong with his "God doesn't play dice" statement but it fitted nicely with his block universe theory.

That was to your 21:37 post

* 21:34 post

the SuZy bets was paid out - i posted this before, Multiverse theory is dead.
officially. They were so disappointed with the results from Cern that they have
already started plans for a new Cern.

This destroyed M theory which the 'smartest man in the world' was working on for a decade.

Super Symmetry (SuSy bet) was paid out. No multiverse.

the creationist website? assuming a lot there...

http://www.eriskayconnection.com/en/home/65-the-speed-of-light.html

https://www.seeker.com/faster-than-light-particles-question-einsteins-theory-1765438261.html

Multiverse theory is not dead.

June 4th 2017 research at Cern.

That stuff about faster than light particles is out of date as I've already explained.

https://www.yaabot.com/30872/this-energy-beam-may-be-travelling-faster-than-light/

Oh deary mee - your to be found up a tree.

five times the speed of light - It's all just a wet dream now.

This Energy Beam may be travelling faster than Light
Maithili Dhule   
June 2, 2017

NEW SCIENTIST - NEW SCIENTIST - NEW SCIENTIST (source)

oh shyte - It's in VIRGO.... haha.

The M87 is not exactly your next door neighbour. In fact, according to Newscientist, it is tens of millions of light years away. The M87 is a supergiant elliptical galaxy located in the Virgo cluster. It was believed to have been formed by the merging of two galaxies in that cluster. At the heart of the M87 galaxy is a black hole having a mass of about 3.5 billion Suns. A disk forming a sort of funnel surrounds it, and a jet of plasma, shaped like a thin beam, shoots out from the core. This jet stream that is emitted measures almost 6,000 light years across. (A quick refresher- one light year is equal to about 6 trillion miles, that is, about 9.5 trillion km!)

This is the latest article I can find on parallel universes which states the opposite of what you are saying.

https://eprnews.com/new-suzy-experiment-blows-away-cerns-mir-faizal-on-parallel-universes-132673/

This Energy Beam may be travelling faster than Light

May be? May be not is more likely.

aw Fk we looked up and seen this fker in the sky and it's ruined all
our fancy sums down 'ere on planet earth. scuppered the boat it did.

The jet of plasma is believed to be caused by gas and stars being sucked into the black hole at the center of the galaxy. This gas is then heated up and shot back out by the action of magnetic fields. How exactly does the jet appear to be travelling at a speed that is faster than that of light? Well, this could be explained on the basis of Superluminal motion. In simple terms, it means – faster-than-light motion, and is observed in stellar objects such as quasars and in some radio galaxies which are thought to possess a black hole.

this guy sounds smarter than you Foinavon. ? Is that possible?

the Scientific method - listen to your own team, Fiony

https://www.newscientist.com/article-topic/general-relativity/

Anything's possible, zorro, apart from faster than light travel of energy and information in our universe.

So the guys in 2017 are wrong and Einstein is still right, hanging onto
your faith?

I'm not registered with that magazine, zorro so I can't read the article.
I have bought paper copies of it in the past and there is a lot of journalistic hype to sensationalise their output couched in conditionals to cover their backsides.

There is solid logic to Relativity backed by experimentation.

Computer simulations based on the theory of relativity predict far more black holes than are observed.[1] Indeed, it is doubtful whether black holes even exist, and the latest observation disproved the prediction.[2]
"Quasars are disappearing" contrary to the theory of relativity, and astronomers simply "stopped looking" after finding more than ten examples of rapidly changing quasars that confound the theory with respect to black holes.[3]
The orbital eccentricity of the Moon's orbit is increasing, contrary to what Relativity predicts.[4]
The Pioneer anomaly.
The Sun is a perfect sphere - "the solar flattening is ... too small to agree with that predicted from its surface rotation."[5]
Quantum entanglement near the event horizon of a black hole—with one particle of the pair on one side, and other particle of the pair on the other side—defies the Theory of Relativity.[6] Relativity is a mathematical theory that cannot permit any exceptions, just as arithmetic falls part if 2 times 2 is ever not equal to 4. See also black hole firewall.
"I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being." - Albert Einstein[7]
The speed of light in a vacuum is slower than expected—less than c—based on new data from a 25-year-old supernova.[8]
"Celestial signals defy Albert Einstein. Strange signals picked up from black holes and distant supernovae suggest there's more to space-time than Einstein believed."[9]
A physics article published in 2014 states that "general relativity, which describes gravity at low energies precisely, break[s] down at high energies."[10]
Subatomic particles with mass have a speed observed to be as fast as the speed of light ("we are 100% sure that the speed of light is the speed of neutrinos"[11]), which contradicts Relativity because the Lorentz factor is then infinite.[12][13] Neutrinos were observed to travel at the speed of light by an independent experiment also: "Their neutrinos traveled at precisely the speed of light, not faster or slower."[14]
Anomalies in the locations of spacecraft that have flown by Earth ("flybys"). During the gravity assists from Earth, both the Galileo spacecraft and the Near Earth Asteroid Rendezvous (NEAR) spacecraft experienced a change in velocity different than that predicted by General Relativity.[15][16]
Spiral galaxies confound Relativity, and unseen, nonexistent "dark matter" has been invented to try to retrofit observations to the theory.[17] "Dark matter mysteriously missing around sun. Theories say neighborhood should be filled with it, but new study shows otherwise."[18]
The acceleration in the expansion of the universe confounds Relativity, and unseen "dark energy" has been invented to try to retrofit observations to the theory.
Increasingly precise measurements of the advance of the perihelion of Mercury show a shift greater than predicted by Relativity, well beyond the margin of error.[note 2]
Despite wasting millions of taxpayer dollars searching for gravitational waves predicted by the theory, no direct observation of gravity waves has occurred.[19] Sound like global warming? Then, in classic liberal claptrap, the liberal media claimed that gravitational waves were discovered when in fact no such direct observation was made.
The discontinuity in momentum as velocity approaches "c" for infinitesimal mass, compared to the momentum of light.
Atheistic science admits that "observations don't match predictions, because the objects farthest from each other in the known universe are so far apart that the time it would take to travel between them at the speed of light exceeds the age of the universe," and implausible theories are created to try to explain it.[20]
The logical problem of a force which is applied at a right angle to the velocity of a relativistic mass - does this act on the rest mass or the relativistic mass?
The observed lack of curvature in overall space.[note 3]
The universe shortly after its creation, when quantum effects dominated and contradicted Relativity.
The action-at-a-distance of quantum entanglement.[note 4]
The action-at-a-distance by Jesus, described in John 4:46-54, Matthew 15:28, and Matthew 27:51.
The failure to discover gravitons, despite spending hundreds of millions in taxpayer money in searching. While these tax dollars were not necessarily "wasted", the lack of results indicate that scientists need to revisit their hypothesis.
Newly observed data reveal that the fine-structure constant, α (alpha), actually varies throughout the universe, demonstrating that all inertial frames of reference do not experience identical laws of physics as claimed by Relativity.[note 5]
The double star "W13" weighs "40 times as much as the sun—more than enough to form a black hole. So why is it not a black hole? The only explanation [a leading scientist] can think of ... does not make astrophysical sense."[21]
The inability of the theory to lead to other insights, contrary to every verified theory of physics.
The change in mass over time of standard kilograms preserved under ideal conditions.[22]
The uniformity in temperature throughout the universe.[23]
"According to Einstein’s view on the universe, space-time should be smooth and continuous" but observations instead show "inexplicable static" greater than "all artificial sources of" possible background noise.[24]
"The snag is that in quantum mechanics, time retains its Newtonian aloofness, providing the stage against which matter dances but never being affected by its presence. These two [QM and Relativity] conceptions of time don’t gel."[25]
The theory predicts wormholes just as it predicts black holes, but wormholes violate causality and permit absurd time travel.[26]
The theory predicts natural formation of highly ordered (and thus low entropy) black holes despite the increase in entropy required by the Second Law of Thermodynamics.[note 6]
Data from the PSR B1913+16 increasingly diverge from predictions of the General Theory of Relativity such that, despite a Nobel Prize in Physics being awarded for early work on this pulsar, no data at all have been released about it for over five years.
The lack of useful devices developed based on any insights provided by the theory; no lives have been saved or helped, and the theory has not led to other useful theories and may have interfered with scientific progress.[note 7] This stands in stark contrast with every verified theory of science.
Relativity requires different values for the inertial mass of a moving object: in its direction of motion, and perpendicular to that direction. This contradicts the logical principle that the laws of physics are the same in all directions.
Relativity requires that anything traveling at the speed of light must have mass zero, so it must have momentum zero. But the laws of electrodynamics require that light have nonzero momentum.
Unlike most well-tested fundamental physical theories, the theory of relativity violates conditions of a conservative field. Path independence, for example, is lacking under the theory of relativity, as in the "twin paradox" whereby the age of each twin under the theory is dependent on the path he traveled.[note 8]
The Ehrenfest Paradox: Consider a spinning hoop, where the tangential velocity is near the speed of light. In this case, the circumference () is length-contracted. However, since is always perpendicular to the motion, it is not contracted. This leads to an apparent paradox: does the radius of the accelerating hoop equal , or is it less than ?
Based on Relativity, Einstein predicted in 1905 that clocks at the Earth's equator would be slower than clocks at the North Pole, due to different velocities; in fact, all clocks at sea level measure time at the same rate, and Relativists made new assumptions about the Earth's shape to justify this contradiction of the theory; they also make the implausible claim that relativistic effects from gravitation precisely offset the effects from differences in velocity.[27]
The Twin Paradox: Consider twins who are separated with one traveling at a very high speed such that his "clock" (age) slows down, so that when he returns he has a younger age than the twin; this violates Relativity because both twins should expect the other to be younger, if motion is relative. Einstein himself admitted that this contradicts Relativity.[note 9]
Based on Relativity, Einstein claimed in 1909 that the aether does not exist, but in order to make subatomic physics work right, theorists had to introduce the aether-like concept of the Higgs field, which fills all of space and breaks symmetries.
Minkowski space is predicated on the idea of four-dimensional vectors of which one component is time. However, one of the properties of a vector space is that every vector have an inverse. Time (formally: movement forward in time) cannot be a vector because it has no inverse.
In Genesis 1:6-8, we are told that one of God's first creations was a firmament in the heavens. This likely refers to the creation of the luminiferous aether.
It is impossible to perform an experiment to determine whether Einstein's theory of relativity is correct, or the older Lorentz aether theory is correct. Believing one over the other is a matter of faith.
Despite a century of wasting billions of dollars in work on the theory, "No one knows how to solve completely the equations of general relativity that describe gravity; they are simply beyond current understanding."[28]
Experiments in electromagnetic induction contradict Relativity: "Einstein’s Relativity ... can not explain the experiment in graph 2, in which moving magnetic field has not produced electric field."[29][30]
Relativity breaks down if a solenoid is traveling at or near the speed of light.[31]
The Pauli Exclusion Principle states that no two electrons in a closed system can exist in the same quantum state and if one electron changes all others must compensate. As the universe is a closed system when one electron changes state so must all others, even if they are thousands of light years apart.[32]
The 2014 findings of gravitational waves are actually just dust.[33]
The theory of relativity violates Occam's razor by requiring multiple new, implausible assumptions, including an invariant speed of light, denial of action at a distance, denial of basic, well-proven principles of quantum mechanics, and insistence that all places in the universe be equivalent to each other.

bring it back.. bring it back to me -

Professor Dawkins is on camera giving a lecture to the enlightened,
on youtube. He tells the crowd about Multiverse theory and quotes
Physicist Steven Weinberg - He then trots along to talk to Steve,
who being a proper atheist tells him he's up a tree. There is no
multiverse, that it's freakin impossible. That nobody in Physics
has even attempted to put forward this BS. It's a 10^120 possibility.
Dawkins can be seen rolling his eyes upward to the ceiling?(what's
up there mr Dawkins?)Steve just shafted his atheist buddy.
Real science is different to Pseudo Science which does not deal
with the truth.
So return to the original lecture, in the hall with the cheering
atheists and repeat the lies to them. First you misrepresented
the work of Steven Weinberg. Secondly you are spewing more deceits
to the deceived already. In a Hawaiian shirt too? where was Magnum
to collar you and throw ya in the slammer?

(Richard Dawkins and Steven Weinberg Discuss Science and Religion for a whole hour)
will Dustybin watch a full hour of atheists talking to each other? when he
found it hard going to watch ten minutes of Chuck missler? the answer is
probably yes. Atheists after all, are sane?

You bore me zorro. Too long, not read it. Have you read any of that stuff? Do you claim to understand it?
Give the source of your C+P (I probably know already).

When he was up, he was up, and when he was down, he was down...

a theory can fit, it might work. But that only means you have something that works.

I can put a fuse into a plug and it'll work until it shorts causing a fire.

All science in the last 2000 years is mostly from Christians, even Galileo.
It's only a recent phenomena where you get butt heads claiming science belongs to Atheists. For liberal PC types, it's a rare form of bigotry. "The creotards are holding us back?" it's apostasy highlighted in yellow. 

Sir Isaac Newton wrote over a million words about the bible, a considerable portion of his life examining his faith. Not a trivial amount of his time.

so now undermine all the christians that gave you what you have now...

Einstein's hero - James Clerk Maxwell - the shoulders of giants. (creotard)

o salvage this situation, let's examine a scenario where light is much faster. What would existence be like if, say, the speed of light was boosted by a factor of 1,000? Steve Jones explored the hypothetical. A light-speed vessel could cross the Milky Way in less than a century! A trip to Alpha Centauri, home to a potentially habitable planet, would take fewer than two days! Computers and networks would run faster thanks to enhanced optical speeds! We might be more likely to receive signals from extraterrestrials!

But – and this is a big but – the Sun would burn a million times hotter. We'd be cooked.

So you better learn to love our finely tuned speed of light, however slothlike it may be. If it were any faster, life on Planet Earth might not exist.


where are your hovercraft boots... James Burke promised me lotsa stuff.

Science - Cladding.

Science tells you how to make stuff and how it will perform under a given set of conditions.
The misuse of said cladding has nothing to do with science.

Clutching at straws zorro.

Foinavon
25 Jun 17 22:19
Joined: 11 Oct 00 | Topic/replies: 6,847 | Blogger: Foinavon's blog
There is solid logic to Relativity backed by experimentation.

Night night

chemistry gives us - plastics,fibres,alloys, and millions of things.
biology gives us - antibiotics, vaccinations etc.
physics gives us - mechanics, heat, light and other radiation, sound, electricity, electro magnetism, and the structure of atoms. power stations, atom bombs etc.

As above you can see if a branch of science is REAL, it produces real life products.

In the field of Biology for instance Ernst Boris Chain, nobel prize winner helped to produce Penicillin with his colleague Howard Florey. Saving millions of lives?
He went on to debate against evolution at debates in many venues.

So what is the great inventions that evolution has produced? Let me know?

Evolution gets cretinist knickers in a twist, that's a result for me.

Scientific beliefs are supported by evidence and they get results. Myths and faiths are not and do not."

Richard Dawkins, River Out of Eden: A Darwinian View of Life.

I suppose you can throw the word evolve about in adverts and such.
the new renault car... evolved to the 9th degree...
he evolved as an athlete. Murray evolved into a winner.

The word evolution first arrived in English (and in several other European languages) from an influential treatise on military tactics and drill, written in Greek by the second-century writer Aelian (Aelianus Tacticus). In translations of his work, the Latin word evolutio and its offspring, the French word évolution, were used to refer to a military manoeuvre or change of formation, and hence the earliest known English example of evolution traced by the OED comes from a translation of Aelian, published in 1616. As well as being applied in this military context to the present day, it is also still used with reference to movements of various kinds, especially in dance or gymnastics, often with a sense of twisting or turning.

In classical Latin, though, evolutio had first denoted the unrolling of a scroll,(bible?) and by the early 17th century, the English word evolution was often applied to ‘the process of unrolling, opening out, or revealing’. It is this aspect of its application which may have been behind Darwin’s reluctance to use the term. Despite its association with ‘development’, which might have seemed apt enough, he would not have wanted to associate his theory with the notion that the history of life was the simple chronological unrolling of a predetermined creative plan. Nor would he have wanted to promote the similar concept of embryonic development, which saw the growth of an organism as a kind of unfolding or opening out of structures already present in miniature in the earliest embryo (the ‘preformation’ theory of the 18th century). The use of the word evolution in such a way, radically opposed to Darwin’s theory, appears in the writings of his grandfather:
(http://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2015/05/evolution-etymology/)

so recap - they stole from the bible - the tree of life, evolution.
Darwin does not mention the word evolution in his book, he used transmutation as the descriptor. Transmutation Theory sounds better.
The real evolving is with the Christians, the apocalypse. the unveiling of the truth.
we will be taken to higher dimensions and be with God on his level. Mankind who trust God will effectively jump billions of years of crap you guys want to wade through.
This life is just a job application form. You've torn yours up and binned it. soon to be landfill.

zorro you will have to learn to think in a logical way, this isn`t taught at school.
evolution does not invent anything, it is a process. Like growing old.

life is very strange granted and so is evolution. Would an apple have any desire to ripen, if it knew why?
or to what end.

you don't get it, Satan looks at what God does and he makes a bad copy.
He's lacking true creativity. It's bad counterfeiting.

the tree of life
evolution

they lift terms and adapt. They do not create from scratch.

The one thing Satan does is flag up everything he does.
He always signs his work. you can trace it all back to Erasmus Darwin
who was the hero of Charles Darwin.

Initiated: 1754
St. David’s Lodge No. 36, Edinburgh
Source: Denslow.10,000 Famous Freemasons. For mother lodge cf. H. L. Haywood, Supplement to Mackey Encyclopedia of Freemasonry. 1966. p. 1198.

Erasmus Darwin - December 12, 1731 - April 18, 1802
Best known as the grandfather of the biologist Charles Darwin, Erasmus Darwin was a philosopher, poet, scientist and physician. Well informed on all aspects of late 18th-century science and medicine, he had advanced ideas on cosmology and evolution which he recorded in verse of a high quality.

"Before coming to Derby in 1788, Dr. [Erasmus] Darwin had been made a Mason in the famous Time Immemorial Lodge of Cannongate Kilwinning, No. 2, of Scotland.

"Sir Francis Darwin, one of the Doctor’s sons, was made a Mason in Tyrian Lodge, No. 253, at Derby, in 1807 or 1808. His son Reginald was made a Mason in Tyrian Lodge in 1804. The name of Charles Darwin does not appear on the rolls of the Lodge but it is very possible that he, like Francis, was a Mason."

As author of Zoonomia; or the Laws of Organic Life in 1794, he proposed the gradual evolution of animals and plants.

Initiated: 1754
St. David’s Lodge No. 36, Edinburgh
Source: Denslow.10,000 Famous Freemasons. For mother lodge cf. H. L. Haywood, Supplement to Mackey Encyclopedia of Freemasonry. 1966. p. 1198.

It's Hindu religion repackaged. It's a false belief with a kernel of truth. A big lie, well spun.

tens of thousands of species are he same as they were in the past. No change. Spiders, bats, fish, scorpions, crocodiles etc.

when the rapture happens, the new world leader will reveal himself and he'll
be counterfeiting what God is doing. God has made the faithful immortal.
Satan will say he'll make you all immortal using advanced science.
This is a twisting of the tree of life.

in God's kingdom man will no longer be man, but a new creature,
on the same level as God. We will judge the angels.

In Satan's counterfeit kingdom he'll promise to make man into a hybrid creature.
Satan is a bad copyist. He is not God and limited to what he gleamed off God when in heaven.

evolution is the setup, the preparation of this long con. You will be like God.
He said it in the garden and it's his best tactic.
play wait and see and you'll find yourself surrounded by vipers.

So what is the great inventions that evolution has produced? Let me know?

The human and other animals visual system, which is still more sensitive at visible light wavelengths than any camera we can make.

Many animals sense of smell.

In fact almost all mammalian systems. None of which we can replicate as well as the original.

On the Origin of Species by Charles Darwin
You can buy a copy for pennies or download for free.

Let me put it simply for Zorro.
1) Read book first, write critique second. GOOD
2) Don't read book, but post an opinion anyway. BAD

i dont think origins of the species is the best example, far from it.

much better works since then.

science has moved on drastically since darwin, both with evidence supporting the evolution theory and the creation theory

Yes, I agree with that, however, Zorro continually rubbishes Darwin's book when he hasn't even read it. His C+P posts from creationist websites is hardly going to be a balanced view.

*although I am unaware of any scientific evidence to support any creation story.

When an original thought pops into his head we'll have a party.

Jun 27, 2017 -- 5:44AM, Foinavon wrote:

*although I am unaware of any scientific evidence to support any creation story.

there is plenty of science that can be used to support the creation story, just as there is plenty of science to be used to create the evolution story

best to be open minded about the actual evidence instead of taking sides and closing your mind

create* = support

some people who push evolution theory are fanatics and need to take a step back and review all the evidence, if the creationist are using a scientific paper or research to support their theory then each piece of evidence should be considered on its merits regardless if it fits a pre-conceived narrative.


of course, that works both ways

It isnt in human nature to do that Im afraid.
Just as in politics or Ideology and science and spitrituality the process is to rubbish the alternative to end with what then has to be the 'correct' theory.

Like capitalism's victory over communism lead to belief it was correct and in accordance with the 'rules of nature' only for it to continue in a death spiral of its own.

There is TRUTH and there is the counterfeit.

Choose one

Jesus or Mohammad? One is truth and one is the counterfeit.

One man talked to people.
the other murdered people. 

Barabbas,Barabbas,Barabbas. you are willing to live in a world where
it's okay to live with evil. You call it plurality. you call it the
acceptable face of evil. The truth is you suck up to evil because it has
what you want. In this case it's OIL. WE don't give a rats arrse about
the middle east, we are destroying the peripheral nations right now.
Before 1900 all these guys had was SAND and it wasn't good sand either.
Couldn't even use it in building. So murder is just another way to
get what we want. We do it in Africa too. Send British weapons over
fuel revolutions so we can get cobalt for phones, copper for pipes.
We are scrambling for resources. To feed our privileged lifestyles.
That's a bit of truth...

And we will quickly ignore it. because it's semi abstract. We don't
see it in our daily lives. Nothing to do with us in the high street.
You do this with EVIL. and you also do it with GOD. you are actively
avoiding him because you want to continue with your habitual lifestyles
you have set up.

some people who push evolution theory are fanatics and need to take a step back and review all the evidence, if the creationist are using a scientific paper or research to support their theory then each piece of evidence should be considered on its merits regardless if it fits a pre-conceived narrative.

If the creationists are using a scientific paper or research to support their theory then I've yet to see it. I'm always willing to consider scientific evidence.
Just the evidence in the fossil record will show you that all species were not created at the same time but appeared (and disappeared) over vast periods of time.

"Life's origin has been most ardently pursued by chemists, apparently on the unspoken premise that once the molecular building blocks are on hand, cellular organization will take care of itself. That premise is surely incorrect. Modern cells do not assemble themselves from preformed constituents, and they would not have done so in the past."

Abiogenesis or biogenesis - has been abandoned and prominent evolutionists will now say that they don't have a viable starting mechanism for life. Yet abiogenesis is still a theory, which is quoted by some.

Simple non DNA life.- "Why can't we reproduce this chemical phenomena of the creation of life, and why isn't it still happening? We still have single celled organisms all the way up through full blown multi cellular organisms. So why can't we find really simple non-DNA life also in this chain? The truth is... if evolution is a big chain, the beginning is missing.

if evolution is a big chain, the beginning is missing

It got eaten by organisms further up the chain.

That is fundamental to understanding evolution.

You only have to go on youtube to see a lot of people believe a lot of wacky stuff. Ancient aliens are particularly popular.

There are mysteries in our past, but whether we are descended form aliens isn't one of them. Nor is whether the world was created in about it's present form.

I think at root the problem is that many people have difficulty conceptualizing that everything is a process. Nothing is static. And how long the time scales are. Darwin needed to understand geological time scales, before he could arrive at his theory of evolution.

where's the starting point - because everything else is still here in life.
it's actually teaming with life - so it should still be here? happening.

Most species go extinct within 10 million years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_extinction_rate

Which means that more than 99.9% of all species are now extinct.

but it's the early starting blocks that are missing, the stuff needed to make RNA.
it's the basic stuff, it's not there. You see what you are saying, it's all in the past, and therefore cannot be reached. Science has to be repeatable and what you have is a story?
you've replaced the god story with a more flakey story.

Men gave testimonies of what they saw in Jerusalem.
Nobody can attest to all the suppositions you guys have dreamt up.

All the small stuff that makes life work is missing from your theory.

Nobody has seen one species change into a different species. It's just
people seeing similarities and although a cat has four legs it's not a dog.

Neo-Darwinism has a Long History of Inaccurate Darwinian Predictions about Vestigial Organs and "Junk DNA"

No example of any living species evolving into another species exists. After 200 years under the microscope.

after 67,000 generations - of breeding ecoli, Richard Lenski, Michigan university has not noticed ecoli evolving into anything other than ecoli.

evolution emphasizes 'micro evolution' previously called animal husbandry as proof of 'macro evolution' which is one species turning into another species. Variation within a species is a fact, no one contests it. from Wolf to German Shepherd. Is the german shepherd as strong as a wolf? NO - it's losing information, not gaining it. entropy wins.

That's rich accusing science of making up stories and not having all the information when you believe a bronze age creation story involving a talking snake and claim to know everything.
Science never claims to know what it doesn't know and works to push back the frontiers of knowledge.
On the question of abiogenesis, I refer you to the excellent posts made by DStyle earlier this year which you didn't bother to read let alone discuss. Hardly surprising when your scientific knowledge is at best rudimentary.

Join together 100 billion neurons—with 100 trillion connections—and you have yourself a human brain, capable of much, much more.

Proof enough for me that we're not accidents. We are extraordinary beings. Designed, not evolved as a result of millions of accidents.

Must go, need to create supper...

Is that not an arguement to say that the brain must have evolved, because if it had been designed we would all be the same.
And moreover there would be no room for free will.

That's an interesting argument, lfc. Although we are all different I'm agnostic on the question of free will. On balance, I think the arguments are in favour of the universe being deterministic hence no free will and that was certainly Einstein's view.

the Time is almost up. Runaround. Fall behind those that believ in God or those that believe in themselves.

The king of this world has controlled you all your lives. He's put the blame of his actions on to God. you all convict God for giving you life?

now your life line is being drawn up. the light of this world is departing and you will be alone with the king of this world for the first time in 2000 years.
Having believed all his past lies, you'll believe his future ones too.

God leaves you a final choice. choose death over the mark and oath that Satan offers.

time will solve all mysteries.

Unfortunately with each natural disaster that passes it's becoming worse than the last.. My prayers and thoughts go out to all those families involved.


With North Korean and the USA closing in on a major show down there is little hope of political peace in the world. Sadly

don't forget Iran m8,the war that is