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I'm unsure ATM, I've heard several different stories.
Originally was three men in van headed along a pavement and then knife attack.
Now it's just one man involved and no knife.
Be a bad parking attempt the way it's going.
Originally was three men in van headed along a pavement and then knife attack.
Now it's just one man involved and no knife.
Be a bad parking attempt the way it's going.
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Islam has had more practice at terrorism.
It's a 'little man' game for the underdog......perhaps if and when the minority becomes the majority the shoe will be on the other foot.
Until then consider all these knife carrying Muslims around parliament that are getting picked up every few days, that's not very clever is it?
You get two years jail no questions for that, and what are they carrying them for, to peel an apple?
Islam has had more practice at terrorism.
It's a 'little man' game for the underdog......perhaps if and when the minority becomes the majority the shoe will be on the other foot.
Until then consider all these knife carrying Muslims around parliament that are getting picked up every few days, that's not very clever is it?
You get two years jail no questions for that, and what are they carrying them for, to peel an apple?
"The poor old guy died of a heart attack - he wasn't hit by the van"
I read in the paper today he was a 52-year-old man who had a pacemaker fitted 2 yrs ago and used walking sticks. He collapsed in the road before the attack, his daughter rushed to the scene and was with him when he died, she said the van ran over his leg as it ploughed into the crowd.
I read in the paper today he was a 52-year-old man who had a pacemaker fitted 2 yrs ago and used walking sticks. He collapsed in the road before the attack, his daughter rushed to the scene and was with him when he died, she said the van ran over his leg as it ploughed into the crowd.
Dusty - you seem to be confusing me with someone who thinks terrorism is ok.
Hate to break it to you, but I don't. Thing is, I don't just see terrorism as confined to one skin colour though obviously there are lots of posters on this here thread that would like to believe that.
Hate to break it to you, but I don't. Thing is, I don't just see terrorism as confined to one skin colour though obviously there are lots of posters on this here thread that would like to believe that.
Well if the issue is about defining terrorism from state level then I'd concede that 'we' have considerable skeletons in the wardrobe.....but since the individuals don't have any control over that we have to compare the actions of individuals themselves, like for like.
And there isn't any comparison.
And there isn't any comparison.
What is more worrying is people on here don't actually know about the three particular areas involving the attempts and promotion of sharia law.
There is even a group that is going around the UK campaigning for it.
MAY defends it and wants to incorporate it.
The legal society got caught out trying to bring it into law and had to apologise for trying.
There are at least 85 sharia courts in the country.
These are all facts yet there are posters on here that have chosen to ignore it or pretend to
be not aware of the growth and pressure to establish sharia further.
But saying it makes me a liar and a BSh.ter. Good luck with that one.
There is even a group that is going around the UK campaigning for it.
MAY defends it and wants to incorporate it.
The legal society got caught out trying to bring it into law and had to apologise for trying.
There are at least 85 sharia courts in the country.
These are all facts yet there are posters on here that have chosen to ignore it or pretend to
be not aware of the growth and pressure to establish sharia further.
But saying it makes me a liar and a BSh.ter. Good luck with that one.
I think the only difference is in success, or capability if you will. In the last 12 months we've had (from what we know) at least 3 incidents involving "white brits". The first one of course was a successful assassination but luckily it was only the sheer ineptitude of the tube bomber and Mr Osborne that saw no further fatalities.
But make no mistake, the intent was there. They wanted to kill and to maim; they were just a bit rubbish at it.
But make no mistake, the intent was there. They wanted to kill and to maim; they were just a bit rubbish at it.
Moysey - you use the present tense when you say May wants to bring it in. Have you got any links to any policies or speeches say from the last 12 months that indicate this, or is it all based on something from a few years ago, in which case the past tense is more appropriate.
I don't just see terrorism as confined to one skin colour though obviously there are lots of posters on this here thread that would like to believe that.
More distraction? Please point me to posts claiming Islam is limited to one skin colour. You seem rather keen to make this racial, as opposed to ideological.
More distraction? Please point me to posts claiming Islam is limited to one skin colour. You seem rather keen to make this racial, as opposed to ideological.
Where did I say Islam is limited to one skin colour? Jesus.
I don't just see terrorism as confined to one skin colour though obviously there are lots of posters on this here thread that would like to believe that.
Who do you mean?
Who do you mean?
Porky one of the prominent defenders of the faith. Is completely ignorant of the growth of sharia- yet comes on here to have a pop. I don't know why people get involved in debates about the issue when they have no knowledge of it. I don't know why people don't read up on it and find out facts before opening their mouths about it. Do your research before sniping or trying to disprove what has been proven.
Likes to muddy the waters between race and religion, that's for sure.
Ahh, defender of the faith
Moysey, I'm genuinely not having a pop. If there's a queue to stick the boot into May then I'm usually near the front. Genuinely curious as you always seem to be the only one who brings up this issue but get tetchy when anyone asks you to provide a link. All I'm saying is, is it currently on the wishlist from May? Was it in the last Tory manifesto? Was it mentioned in any of her recent speeches (if you can track them down!)? Or are they from comments made several years ago. You seem to know more than anyone on it and I'm keen to understand more.
Moysey, I'm genuinely not having a pop. If there's a queue to stick the boot into May then I'm usually near the front. Genuinely curious as you always seem to be the only one who brings up this issue but get tetchy when anyone asks you to provide a link. All I'm saying is, is it currently on the wishlist from May? Was it in the last Tory manifesto? Was it mentioned in any of her recent speeches (if you can track them down!)? Or are they from comments made several years ago. You seem to know more than anyone on it and I'm keen to understand more.
Distraction/obfuscation is the tactic - the name of the game. Taking you away from the real issue/problem.
I know. That's why I'm trying to prompt you to support your argument and stop putting blocks up.
You insinuate that people who recognise Islam as a danger, are racist. A tedious argument and, I would think, mainly incorrect.
I'd say stupid or misguided rather than racist personally.
As we progress you will eventually not even be allowed to discuss it. Hope this helps.
PorcupineorPineapple • June 20, 2017 12:21 PM BST
I think the only difference is in success, or capability if you will. In the last 12 months we've had (from what we know) at least 3 incidents involving "white brits". The first one of course was a successful assassination but luckily it was only the sheer ineptitude of the tube bomber and Mr Osborne that saw no further fatalities.
But make no mistake, the intent was there. They wanted to kill and to maim; they were just a bit rubbish at it.
Look at what i would consider the facts here.
The % incidence ratio of terrorist acts (which apparently the bbc say is 70-30 in muslims 'favour') and the ratio to populace of muslim to non muslim (something like 20% from memory)
That suggests the frequency of terrorism is totally one sided, those who believe themselves under the kosh if you like do the cowardly acts to 'gain ground'.
To suggest non muslims just arnt very good misses the point that they don't stoop to that level of hitting soft targets with anywhere near as great an alacrity.
I think the only difference is in success, or capability if you will. In the last 12 months we've had (from what we know) at least 3 incidents involving "white brits". The first one of course was a successful assassination but luckily it was only the sheer ineptitude of the tube bomber and Mr Osborne that saw no further fatalities.
But make no mistake, the intent was there. They wanted to kill and to maim; they were just a bit rubbish at it.
Look at what i would consider the facts here.
The % incidence ratio of terrorist acts (which apparently the bbc say is 70-30 in muslims 'favour') and the ratio to populace of muslim to non muslim (something like 20% from memory)
That suggests the frequency of terrorism is totally one sided, those who believe themselves under the kosh if you like do the cowardly acts to 'gain ground'.
To suggest non muslims just arnt very good misses the point that they don't stoop to that level of hitting soft targets with anywhere near as great an alacrity.
One attack has changed the narrative for ever. Seizing the opportunity and the high ground has always been the strategy in a military compaign.
In a different struggle between two philosophies, achieving the moral high ground also is a bit of a coup.
In a different struggle between two philosophies, achieving the moral high ground also is a bit of a coup.
You wouldn't consider driving into a crowd of people, leaving a bomb on a tube, or shooting a defenceless woman choosing "soft targets"? Bizarre.
Moysey - are you deliberately being enigmatic and commenting on your own desire not to discuss your point any more? Surely a link isn't that much to ask?
Moysey - are you deliberately being enigmatic and commenting on your own desire not to discuss your point any more? Surely a link isn't that much to ask?
a 'MAN' was arrested in Kidderminster Sunday - that has been kept quiet. Bomb squad involved as well. Odd that.
There are " incidents" every day of the week & barely often get no more than a mention very locally this happened in my area a couple of weeks back.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40189916
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40189916
oh and yesterday a 'MAN' in Canterbury wielding a knife !!
for landan the evening standard is very up on all the stabbings
Apparently the 'MAN' in Canterbury was near the barracks now being used to house people from North East London - a lot of code is being used here is it not?
Apparently the 'MAN' in Canterbury was near the barracks now being used to house people from North East London - a lot of code is being used here is it not?
PorcupineorPineapple • June 20, 2017 1:26 PM BST
You wouldn't consider driving into a crowd of people, leaving a bomb on a tube, or shooting a defenceless woman choosing "soft targets"? Bizarre.
I gather your original statement was just being flippant, but now you are being pedantic.
Of course some will do similar acts, but as outlined the frequency and mentality is one sided.
You wouldn't consider driving into a crowd of people, leaving a bomb on a tube, or shooting a defenceless woman choosing "soft targets"? Bizarre.
I gather your original statement was just being flippant, but now you are being pedantic.
Of course some will do similar acts, but as outlined the frequency and mentality is one sided.
Kidderminster attack yet another example of dozens that are being hushed up. Remember the nursery teacher that got stabbed by 3 female Islamists ? That story got well and truly buried. - "not a terrorist incident" according to authorities 
no platini you cannot say that - you have provided no links you bad boy
you will be howled down by the protectors on here
it is the naughty step for you
you will be howled down by the protectors on here
it is the naughty step for you
ps I go up to Kiddy (as the locals call it) Severn Valley railway starts there. Steam engines, wonderful views and great beer!!!
plenty of stabbings, drive by shootings and racist attacks in Landan town - check out the evening standard. There are so many of them I will not have time to post all the links!!!!
have you noticed that the guardian won't open a comments page on anything to do with the one and only faith? Not for any of the incidents - anyone wonder about this?
All their readership think and say the same things. No need for lots of identical comments, ta
dusty - I'll give you frequency. There's a serious problem with Islamist terrorism here that needs to be addressed. I think what needs to happen though - and I've mentioned this till I'm blue in the face - is a sense of responsibility from the authorities, the press and influential types on social media that portraying the problem as belonging to the whole of islam is both utterly wrong and encourages retaliatory attacks like we saw yesterday.
I don't think you can necessarily fix one without addressing the other in the current climate.
I'm not sure what you mean about mentality though. As I've said, your man on the tube and Mr Osborne went out to cause as much hurt and damage as they could. The only difference maybe is that they weren't as willing to die in their attempt but they went out to kill just as much as the London Bridge shower did.
I don't think you can necessarily fix one without addressing the other in the current climate.
I'm not sure what you mean about mentality though. As I've said, your man on the tube and Mr Osborne went out to cause as much hurt and damage as they could. The only difference maybe is that they weren't as willing to die in their attempt but they went out to kill just as much as the London Bridge shower did.
Are you referring to the severly autisticly disabled guy as 'my man on the tube'?
He had the mentality of a child, I think you are clutching at straws there.
Of course its not all muslims, but how do non muslims change the mindset of muslims who are degenerate?
They cant imo, that is only for the muslim community.
You could argue that those non muslims are in effect retaliating in a guise similar to civil war.
While the non muslims still have more to lose than gain then they will accept the political rhetoric, If that changes then perhaps so would the frequency and efficiency of non muslim degenerate terrorists.
He had the mentality of a child, I think you are clutching at straws there.
Of course its not all muslims, but how do non muslims change the mindset of muslims who are degenerate?
They cant imo, that is only for the muslim community.
You could argue that those non muslims are in effect retaliating in a guise similar to civil war.
While the non muslims still have more to lose than gain then they will accept the political rhetoric, If that changes then perhaps so would the frequency and efficiency of non muslim degenerate terrorists.
Are you referring to the severly autisticly disabled guy as 'my man on the tube'?
He had the mentality of a child, I think you are clutching at straws there.
I had uploaded the Family Guy terrorist chart but the mods haven't allowed it so you'll just have to google it. Safe to say, you'll appreciate the relevance.
I think it's really unhelpful though to try and perpetuate a narrative that "our" terrorists are mentally ill while "theirs" are evil or summat.
Of course its not all muslims, but how do non muslims change the mindset of muslims who are degenerate?
They cant imo, that is only for the muslim community.
Again, I disagree with this massively. Why is it only for muslims? You talk about lack of integration and then suggest wider society has no part to play. IT will remember but we had a similar conversation last week. I started watching Guerilla (Idris Elba, lovely one from Millionaire film) last night too which was very timely. But for the muslims right now, you could be talking about how we treated black people and pakistanis 30 years ago. I'm not going to re-hash it all again, but the idea that this is only a problem for the muslim community to solve is frankly nonsense.
He had the mentality of a child, I think you are clutching at straws there.
I had uploaded the Family Guy terrorist chart but the mods haven't allowed it so you'll just have to google it. Safe to say, you'll appreciate the relevance.
I think it's really unhelpful though to try and perpetuate a narrative that "our" terrorists are mentally ill while "theirs" are evil or summat.
Of course its not all muslims, but how do non muslims change the mindset of muslims who are degenerate?
They cant imo, that is only for the muslim community.
Again, I disagree with this massively. Why is it only for muslims? You talk about lack of integration and then suggest wider society has no part to play. IT will remember but we had a similar conversation last week. I started watching Guerilla (Idris Elba, lovely one from Millionaire film) last night too which was very timely. But for the muslims right now, you could be talking about how we treated black people and pakistanis 30 years ago. I'm not going to re-hash it all again, but the idea that this is only a problem for the muslim community to solve is frankly nonsense.
Just so we retain some balance; I have known plenty of muslims while growing up and the vast majority have been perfectly fine and we got on well.
What Im saying is that the agenda of the muslim terrorist will persist irrespective of how well they get treated because its based on theocracy, therefore there is nothing non muslims can do to stop potential terrorism.
There is much made of what part we all can play and to an extent its true, but why do we assume its our role to change around differing cultures?
Also, have you ever experienced somebody who is on the severely autistic spectrum?
Its not about them being suspected to have mental health issues, it goes way beyond that.
There is much made of what part we all can play and to an extent its true, but why do we assume its our role to change around differing cultures?
Also, have you ever experienced somebody who is on the severely autistic spectrum?
Its not about them being suspected to have mental health issues, it goes way beyond that.
porky will deflect and carry the points you are right about, spewing smoke out to cover up
this is how they work
what is ironic is within the faith porky would not be allowed to say EVEN what he says on here now.
this is how they work
what is ironic is within the faith porky would not be allowed to say EVEN what he says on here now.
I simply refer you to the latest on line muslim forums to get a taste of their narrative
At the launch of the review, to be completed in 2017, May said: "Many British people of different faiths follow religious codes and practices, and benefit a great deal from the guidance they offer.
"A number of women have reportedly been victims of what appear to be discriminatory decisions taken by sharia councils, and that is a significant concern. There is only one rule of law in our country, which provides rights and security for every citizen.
"Professor [Mona] Siddiqui, supported by a panel with a strong balance of academic, religious and legal expertise, will help us better understand whether and the extent to which sharia law is being misused or exploited and make recommendations to the government on how to address this."
- Buzz Feed.
That's code for Sharia is here to stay.
Re the Law Society:
Formal training on Sharia law is being offered to high street lawyers later this year by the professional body which represents solicitors.
The Law Society is running an “introduction to Islamic Sharia law for small firms” in a bid to help lawyers serve their Muslim client base in areas of law such as family, children, wills and inheritance.
But Baroness Cox, who campaigns against quasi-legal systems such as Sharia courts, criticised the Law Society’s actions.
Disturbing
“While every citizen in this country is free to practice their religion, it is deeply disturbing that an organisation as prestigious as the Law Society appears to be encouraging the implementation of Sharia Law”, she said.
She explained that Sharia law is “often inherently discriminatory against women”.
“Muslim women have claimed they feel ‘betrayed’ by Britain: they came here to escape Sharia law and they find the situation worse here than in the countries they came from”, Lady Cox added.
- Christian Institute
"A number of women have reportedly been victims of what appear to be discriminatory decisions taken by sharia councils, and that is a significant concern. There is only one rule of law in our country, which provides rights and security for every citizen.
"Professor [Mona] Siddiqui, supported by a panel with a strong balance of academic, religious and legal expertise, will help us better understand whether and the extent to which sharia law is being misused or exploited and make recommendations to the government on how to address this."
- Buzz Feed.
That's code for Sharia is here to stay.
Re the Law Society:
Formal training on Sharia law is being offered to high street lawyers later this year by the professional body which represents solicitors.
The Law Society is running an “introduction to Islamic Sharia law for small firms” in a bid to help lawyers serve their Muslim client base in areas of law such as family, children, wills and inheritance.
But Baroness Cox, who campaigns against quasi-legal systems such as Sharia courts, criticised the Law Society’s actions.
Disturbing
“While every citizen in this country is free to practice their religion, it is deeply disturbing that an organisation as prestigious as the Law Society appears to be encouraging the implementation of Sharia Law”, she said.
She explained that Sharia law is “often inherently discriminatory against women”.
“Muslim women have claimed they feel ‘betrayed’ by Britain: they came here to escape Sharia law and they find the situation worse here than in the countries they came from”, Lady Cox added.
- Christian Institute
He still hasn't been charged with anything has he?
What's the deal here, isn't this as clear cut as it first appeared?
What's the deal here, isn't this as clear cut as it first appeared?
appears moisok was correct about sharia law, he deserves an apology from pineapple , and others ?
What have I got to apologise for? I just asked him to provide a link so I could read for myself. Still waiting as it happens.
Did I expect an apology ? anythings possible, I read it somewhere.
you need to be careful with porky the defender of the faith
he is on here to wind you up - and guess what - if you go over the top
you will get banned
he is on here to wind you up - and guess what - if you go over the top
you will get banned
Britain is NOT a muslim country and if people who follow Islam cannot respect the laws of this land, please feel free to fcuk off back to your homelands and practise your religion there.
This applies to ANY religion that wants to terrorise our subjects, but i can't think of another that seems so hell bent on dominating us.
The appeasers on here who defend the Islamic loons should hold their heads in shame. We have an obligation to our future generations to make this country a happy place to live in.
This applies to ANY religion that wants to terrorise our subjects, but i can't think of another that seems so hell bent on dominating us.
The appeasers on here who defend the Islamic loons should hold their heads in shame. We have an obligation to our future generations to make this country a happy place to live in.
Any body language expert (telling the truth) would have a field day pointing out the difference of Sadiq Khan at Finsbury and at London bridge
Douglas Murray: ''And I just say, look, we need a bit less Islam.”
The author, whose most recent book ‘The Strange Death of Europe’ looks at the threats the continent faces, says the first step to having “less Islam” is reducing immigration.
“The first thing is you slow down or you halt the current flow of people. That is the absolutely bare minimum.”
If he wasn't gay and well spoken would he be in jail by now...?
The author, whose most recent book ‘The Strange Death of Europe’ looks at the threats the continent faces, says the first step to having “less Islam” is reducing immigration.
“The first thing is you slow down or you halt the current flow of people. That is the absolutely bare minimum.”
If he wasn't gay and well spoken would he be in jail by now...?
inevitably it is the direction we are heading
many want it banned
many want it banned
Police say under control now , man nuetralised wearing an explosives belt apparently
or will one of our defenders of the faith come on and say it sounds like a gas explosion like the idiot who said that when the manchester killing took place
The man who rammed a car into police officers in Paris had a gun permit, despite being on a terrorist watch list. He is said to have been raised in a Salafist family and had sworn allegiance to Islamic State. Four of his relatives have been detained.
The perpetrator, who died in the attack on the Champs-Elysees on Monday, has been identified as 31-year-old Adam Djaziri from the Paris suburb of Argenteuil. An assault rifle, two handguns, ammunition, as well as two gas canisters were found in his car after the attack.
The perpetrator, who died in the attack on the Champs-Elysees on Monday, has been identified as 31-year-old Adam Djaziri from the Paris suburb of Argenteuil. An assault rifle, two handguns, ammunition, as well as two gas canisters were found in his car after the attack.
Still not charged?
They had him drawn and quartered within hours based on witness reports on the news, what's the hold up?
They had him drawn and quartered within hours based on witness reports on the news, what's the hold up?
"multiple injuries"
tough one for the apologists
tough one for the apologists
He cant possibly not be charged with terrorism now all the great and good have convicted him for it in front of camera, that would be huniliating.
I see Jeremy managed to squeeze a tear out over the Finsbury attack but couldn't quite make it for kids blown up at a concert or the poor souls mown down on a bridge............speaks volumes really 
Funny how there were no thread deletions with white van man terrorist. However, a certain other kind of attack, and it was blink and you'll miss it.
Fair seems to go out the window these days.
Fair seems to go out the window these days.
Osborne charged with with terrorism-related murder and attempted murder http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40381794
We probably wont ever hear his evidence now, but I wonder if we will hear his plea?
What Id have liked to have known was which part of the pavement he was alledged to have mounted, where the boundries between fictitious testomony (3 knifemen) and actuality resides and perhaps even what he says he said.
What Id have liked to have known was which part of the pavement he was alledged to have mounted, where the boundries between fictitious testomony (3 knifemen) and actuality resides and perhaps even what he says he said.
he can plead however he wishes
his police interviews will doubtless be recorded, and may turn up on
some future tv special if not used in evidence in court first
there seem to be folk prepared to make statements to press who have little knowledge of what
actually happened. the press seem happy to report anything without checking the accuracy of
what they have been told
his police interviews will doubtless be recorded, and may turn up on
some future tv special if not used in evidence in court first
there seem to be folk prepared to make statements to press who have little knowledge of what
actually happened. the press seem happy to report anything without checking the accuracy of
what they have been told
Just when he thought it couldn't get any worse, he's already lost the deposit on the van 
He can plead how he wishes but will there now be a media blackout on reporting?
Im not sure you will see footage of his interview as it will likely be a closed court and very strict.
Im not sure you will see footage of his interview as it will likely be a closed court and very strict.
They may determine the evidence might encourage incitement.
There have been several already I believe.
There have been several already I believe.
At least he can't get done for leaving the scene of an accident
Ive just looked on BBC, it might not be a closed court.
They do do it, but mainly for terrorism where spooks were involved.
They do do it, but mainly for terrorism where spooks were involved.
That's what I thought dusty, can't just close em when they fancy, surely. If he pleads guilty, witness statements, and his own, will still be read out I would think.
I would like to applaud all the authorities bringing this to book so quickly and the almost forensic detail that was released so quickly. Unlike other incidents. I look forward to even more consistency with these types of 'incidents'.
I have to correct you Ms Abbot has clarified the matter(as slicer would say). They were incidents.
errr hum!!!
errr hum!!!
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Any body language expert (telling the truth) would have a field day pointing out the difference of Sadiq Khan at Finsbury and at London bridge
Interesting video of Khan here - why won't he give an answer?:
http://www.lbc.co.uk/news/london/just-calm-down-sadiq-khans-spat-at-city-hall/
Any body language expert (telling the truth) would have a field day pointing out the difference of Sadiq Khan at Finsbury and at London bridge
Interesting video of Khan here - why won't he give an answer?:
http://www.lbc.co.uk/news/london/just-calm-down-sadiq-khans-spat-at-city-hall/
I am not very happy about what they are doing to our lovely Pride march in July. 'Coating it in concrete' or surrounding it etc blah blah!
Fear of attacks?? Why is that and who from.?? Will they close the borders to whales.
Fear of attacks?? Why is that and who from.?? Will they close the borders to whales.
Sickening double standards from Khan, the lefty elite and their supporters.
When I look at my "only Allah can judge me" tattoo I reflect on just that.Some of you would do well to remember that before condemning this man.
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