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The Labour Party has betrayed us.

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By:
InsiderTrader
When: 04 Jun 17 19:52
anxious
04 Jun 17 19:42
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KL i am from Manchester too and i am very sad and angry about the bombings too , but if you start a thread do not expect evryone to agree with you, some people will do and that is their right and some people might not agree with you and that is their right to , yes the Labour Party are far from perfect but they do not and are not responsible for Islamic state killing people all over Europe

..

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't IS a direct result of the lack of planning by Blair and Bush before the Iraq war? Blair had the intel and chose to back Bush anyway. No one outside Labour had the full intel so could only back the war because they believed what they were being told about the intel.
By:
King Louis
When: 04 Jun 17 19:53
Anyway I'm off to watch the concert.
By:
anxious
When: 04 Jun 17 19:57
KL i have not questioned your integrity at all , i have merely suggested that you didnt sound like a ex Labour voter because of the way you viciously attacked them , i accept that people do not always agree with my views and that is their opinion , if you feel that strongly about this matter then ok i apologise if have caused you distress
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 04 Jun 17 19:58
KL, you managed to ignore just about everything else I wrote to and about you.
But, I believe you, you've always voted Labour. Sorry!

It's hardly bullying, is it?
Suggesting your statements might be over the top and unreasonable?
By:
ufcdan
When: 04 Jun 17 20:09
Don't worry King Louis I'm with you I won't vote Labour either LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughWink
By:
ufcdan
When: 04 Jun 17 20:10
Mind you I'd give Liz Kendall a shot if that counts Love
By:
anxious
When: 04 Jun 17 20:11
Does your missus know your on here again Dan Crazy
By:
Deptford
When: 04 Jun 17 20:19
Anyone voting for Jeremy and Diane need urgent medical attention
By:
anxious
When: 04 Jun 17 20:26
If the tories get in again nobody will be getting medical attention
By:
ufcdan
When: 04 Jun 17 20:26
I did tell my missus anxious, she assured me that Liz would be happy about that but I think she might be fibbing Plain
By:
ufcdan
When: 04 Jun 17 20:27
Careful anxious your so sharp you might cut yourself Cool
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 04 Jun 17 20:38
Quite good that, anxious.
By:
Foinavon
When: 04 Jun 17 20:40
Quite good but untrue.
By:
GLASGOWCALLING
When: 04 Jun 17 20:54
.. quite right, some of us have private medical care, not me i might add.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 04 Jun 17 21:03
Maybe not in your area foinavon, but it certainly is in this area.
By:
Injera
When: 04 Jun 17 21:50
anxious - Laugh

Decent line!

C'mon chaps - I think we all want the same. A govt to be proud of. Not sure we'll get that on friday whoever wins...
By:
anxious
When: 04 Jun 17 22:02
A Government of National Unity is what our country needs thats for sure , i might be a dreamer but im not the only one , hopefully this  might happen
By:
Foinavon
When: 04 Jun 17 22:11
Which area is that, studyform? Both my wife and I have been able to see a GP when needed and my wife must have had three or four hospital visits over the past year.
By:
trilby22
When: 05 Jun 17 06:47
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By:
Foinavon
When: 05 Jun 17 14:59
I'm still wondering which area studyform was referring to. Does anybody know?
By:
asparagus
When: 05 Jun 17 15:23
If anyone believes the NHS is safe in Tory hands they really have got their heads in the sand.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 05 Jun 17 15:29
Essex.
I had to have an Op in December.
I only waited 18 months. After it finished (2.5 hours), I was sent home within 2 hours.
Needless to say the various inevitable problems meant time and grief which would have all been avoided with a couple of days stay.

There are only 5 A&E departments left in the whole county. None in the north of it, so often a trip to hospital is up to an hour and try to find somewhere to park!!!
And the plan is to cut 2 of those.

Then there are the GP's. The last time I asked for an appointment which I didn't have to queue up at 8am to beg for. It was SIX weeks!

I have had to visit the hospital and various specialists many times throughout the last few years.
Only one consultant is any good and thankfully she travels to smaller regional hospitals occasionally. The rest do OK on the 4 days a week they earn fortunes for and demigod status. then leave all the work to nurses and underlings.

Much of the space is sold off to outside companies: M&S, WH Smith, Costa, Car Parks, vending machines, all ridiculously priced, they take money out of the NHS and it goes to the companies involved.

Cuts to services - without doubt - killed my mum and that was 17 years ago, and in London.
It has got worse since then and this isn't the worst part of the country.

Now (Check out the Naylor report) May wants more of the same. Just like Police stations, she wants to sell the buildings at cut prices to new companies who are....
well, who are they? You'll never know.

I'm happy for you that you have experienced only good things. Millions haven't. I definitely haven't.

Not a single public service is safe in Tory hands. They are so far in the westminster bubble, ordinary people (ie US) don't appear on the radar.
By:
alun2005
When: 05 Jun 17 16:01
Where is Shadow Home Secretary Abbott hiding at this desperate time for our country?  A time when we have umpteen thousand Jihadists roaming the streets as they wish, no doubt protected by the hundreds of thousands of Peace-Lovers who we know are broadly in support of them.

Come Friday morning Abbott might be in charge of Policing and the Anti-Terror strategy.

I want to hear what she's got to say, for one thing, about Jihadists and ISIS fighters returning to the UK.

Perhaps she's been ordered to lie low after ANOTHER Labour car-crash comes back into glaring public view.

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https://order-order.com/2017/06/05/corbyn-mcdonnell-abbott-voted-to-allow-isis-fighters-to-return-to-britain/
By:
Foinavon
When: 05 Jun 17 16:02
Sorry to hear that you have had such problems. It seems to be better here in the West Midlands but I only have anecdotal evidence.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 05 Jun 17 16:21
I was in he West Midlands until nearly 2 years ago, too. Russells Hall not marvellous, but the GP was very good, Foinavon.
The QE - recently built at a ridiculous cost imo, when the existing one wasn't so bad, is fairly typical though, of the sort of business enterprise I see round here!

Same place, alun2005, as Ian Duncan Smith.
Perhaps they're having a pint together.
The link you posted is a typical misrepresentation (twisting) of facts.
By:
Gin
When: 05 Jun 17 16:22
Clearly there are big discrepancies in the quality of service around the country and we can all only speak of our own experiences.

In my case, if I need to see my GP I call at 8.30 am and without fail I have been able to see them the same day.

I have recently been referred to hospital for test/scans and have only ever had to wait a few weeks. During my most recent visit two weeks ago, they decided that I need to go in for treatment. They offered me a date in July which I have had to get put back as I am going to America!

I realise that I am lucky to get this sort of service and am not doubting that others have a considerably worse time than me but I am posting this to show that not everybody’s NHS experience is bad.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 05 Jun 17 16:27
It's 8.00 for my surgery, Gin. but it's virtually impossible to get through before every appointment is gone, what's left is a locum - so getting to build a relationship with your GP is tricky.

I had a heart 'stress test' 4 weeks ago - could only be done 15 miles away, in the middle of a working day. I'm STILL waiting for results.

The thing is NOBODY's experience should be bad!

Have a nice trip, btw :)
By:
Gin
When: 05 Jun 17 16:33
Thanks and sorry to hear that Study - I normally end up calling to get my results as although they say they will they never do (unless its a bad result).

I have to say that I don't really care which doctor I see so somebody is always available so that makes it easier.

It does make you wonder how some places can get it right so much better than others.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 05 Jun 17 16:47
Numbers of hospitals and GPs for the amount of population.
It's the worst it's ever been.
By:
saddo
When: 05 Jun 17 17:52
That's what happens when you open the doors and build nowt to service the flow, good old Blair never gave it a thought.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 05 Jun 17 18:14
It's what happens when you cut the service every year for 38 years.

from 350,000 beds to 142,000 beds. That's why there aren't enough beds.
By:
saddo
When: 05 Jun 17 18:26
So unilaterally letting in unlimited numbers of citizens from ten countries on the same day, may have been a less than good idea then?
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 05 Jun 17 18:52
The cuts made, in the NHS especially, but also in police, defence, education, welfare (and everything else except for MPs and their friends and family)
are far bigger than the numbers of increase you're so obsessed with.

None of this has happened overnight, it started with Thatcher, went on through her b'stard son Blair and hasn't stopped.

Everything has come together to make most people poorer than ever, more stressed than ever and now less happy than ever (despite Cameron's attempt to do happiness surveys).

We all argue, they all have a nice job, good income, 6 months holiday a year.

Get rid of all the liars, then the rest will get better, possibly quicker than it got so bad.
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