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By:
STUDYFORM
When: 01 Jun 17 23:46
Don't agree with that at all.
Still if we all agreed we'd have a dictator, wouldn't we?
By:
lfc1971
When: 01 Jun 17 23:52
A lot of them aren't English, that's al you need to know.
By:
lfc1971
When: 01 Jun 17 23:55
Don't trust Corbyn with his quiet and reasonable tone , listen to the IRA and republican spokesmen ,
they used the same tactic .
By:
lfc1971
When: 01 Jun 17 23:56
That's a game , they are thinking we are mugs and won't notice.
They might be right.
By:
smirnoff2therescue
When: 02 Jun 17 00:12
Theresa voted remain - Gove and Boris said lets do one - Gove then stuck in the knife and did for Boris leaving a pm who aint no iron lady to put it politely and yet people still believe she is gonna sort it all out LaughLaughLaugh

meanwhile I will say it again- the young/old/disabled/sick will be shafted again and all for the goodness of these people that do very well out of tory policies
#thefewnot
By:
anxious
When: 02 Jun 17 00:17
lfc are you still worrying about your old age , your money , and your Mansion Crazy
By:
1st time poster
When: 02 Jun 17 04:49
if people are so unashamed of going to foodbanks and use them because they are there.why do 100,s of millions of pounds of benefits that people are entitled to go unclaimed every year because people wont go through the means tested system
By:
zorrostrikes
When: 02 Jun 17 07:41
more houses, more growth. decorating, furnishings, garden car, etc.
new cars(keeping up with the joneses)

more roads - more growth.

more of anything - genenerates growth.

shrinking back will just kill capitalism.
By:
dustybin
When: 02 Jun 17 09:42
A continual requirement for growth within capitalism is down to a number of reasons, not least inflation and life expectancy increases. Obviously there is an elephant in the room called greed but euphemistically labelled 'ambition' so as to lesser it's scent, that rewards people in epically unequal proportions based on manipulation of the market and barefaced opportunism.

Corporations have legal rights as if they were people now and a subset of the population worship them, but what sort of person would the corporation be? Could it be considered charitable?....when it cares nothing about the good of the people and hires and fires for profit alone. Private corporations turn services into profitable vehicles and at every level create a problem for somebody downstream while rewarding a clique of minions who worship this particular one.

The rising tide that is the bi-product of profiteering effects all others, and the lowest paid/skilled has always been the one who was punished. While those were the feckless types who never did anything to help themselves and always took the easy route then this ideology worked.....but now we are far beyond this, the capitalist continuum of cyclic crashes looms closers again and like jenga will inevitably fail.
The water level doesn't effect just the feckless but those working damn hard because those without merit are stripping all the profit by fair means and foul. Not least is this down to advancing technology, that has always been argued creates a job for every job it kills, but has never been proven. Whatever else technology does it certainly makes low skilled work redundant and we are past the low hanging fruit, next to go will be the semi skilled.
By:
lfc1971
When: 02 Jun 17 09:46
I like being poor in a capitalist society.
By:
King Louis
When: 02 Jun 17 11:09
Screamingfrombeneaththewaves.

Thank you for your thoughts, which were very well put in my opinion and one of the very few on here who actually answered my question rather than try to deflect away from an uncomfortable subject for Labour supporters. I'll look out for your posts again. Very good.
By:
King Louis
When: 02 Jun 17 11:12
Bigmo.

Thank you for that long list. Very depressing reading though I must say.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 02 Jun 17 11:24

annie.
01 Jun 17 19:55

Facts, you are a lovely guy but you do not live and I venture have never lived in communities where benefits are a way of life.

Dr Crippen is right.  I know personally of several people who are not starving but use the food banks because they can spend more of their benefits on drugs and alcohol.


I think this is a valid point and we should all be agreed that a benefit culture is not healthy for anyone...people on it or people paying for it.

I would like to see the Labour Party do something about the state subsidy of low wages for businesses.

It is not fair that some people can work 16 hours a week or whatever it is and get their housing and associated costs paid for while others have to work all the hours to pay their full rent or mortgage and cannot afford flat tv's or sky!
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 02 Jun 17 11:37
It was Labour that brought in tax credits to subsidise low wages, and it was Labour who opposed Osborne when he tried to get rid of them.
I don't think you'll get much joy from Labour with that one Whispering.
By:
dustybin
When: 02 Jun 17 12:59
I remember when Osborne gave that speech about the person who upon reversing out their drives and see the neighbour's curtains still shut should be asking the question about why.
Amazing.
Look into the eyes, not around the eyes, look into the eyes, there's no greed at the top it's all about your lazy neighbours wrecking the economy with their 75 quid a week giro.
There certainly is a subsidy, a taxpayer subsidy of workers pay where businesses are artificially kept afloat when they might otherwise die, because the only thing that seems to matter in this age of limited freedom is the business doing business so that the few can extract large profits while scrutinising the level of pay of those worthless who do the feckin work.

The bottom line is that desire runs people's view of things, they will always consider themselves worse off than others on the misguided principle that breaking down somebody else will mean there's more for you.
Governments in ever increasing competition with other nations productivity as though the human is nothing more than a slave to do others bidding.
Bill Hicks said the human is just a virus with shoes.....I think he was being generous.
Greed seems to have no limit, people worship money to such an extent all they see is what they want to see.
By:
Foinavon
When: 02 Jun 17 16:06
There is certainly excessive greed at the top and a lot more of that money needs to be recycled through the tax system in one way or another.
That should not detract from the inequality highlighted by Osborne and Whispering Death. We need work to be properly rewarded and seen to be fairly done by all.
By:
moisok
When: 02 Jun 17 16:52
Every time it is like tennis, as they knock us to and fro across the net.  The current lot do not have solutions for the good of the country.
Only a complete hosing down of westminster will work and then start again. Clear the whole corrupt sorry lot out of there. Civil service included.
By:
dustybin
When: 02 Jun 17 17:09
What I believe there needs to be Foinavon is an end to the disparity on how worth is calculated.
Its top heavy for a reason; to give everyone (but typically a far fewer collection of people) every incentive to aspire to be the one who takes out far more than they put in.

If you can determine value of a box lifter you can determine value of a financial derivative inventor, its all just algorithms.
Using the standard argument that the market decides is folly because the profits that are splurged on the few came from crushing the workforce or doing some degenerative trading routeen beyond prying eyes.
By:
Nilsson Schmilsson
When: 02 Jun 17 17:21

May 31, 2017 -- 9:18PM, King Louis wrote:


What about McDonnell advocating murdering people with bombs? How do you square that away? And I don't accept that sympathetic view of Corbyn's links to the IRA. Going to one or two of their rallies and meeting might be forgivable on political grounds, but he attended dozens and dozens. The man was an IRA sympathiser, it's as simple as that. I can't vote for his party, for someone of my age who lived through the bombings in my city (Manchester) it would be unthinkable.


key bit is 'someone my age'  youngsters don't know how it was and clowns like these 3 were all for it

those 3 could flatten this country for good, and corbyn is probably the best of them Cry

By:
anxious
When: 02 Jun 17 17:25
Desperate Desperate stuff from the tories now all they have got is negative hits at Jeremy , this shows how rattled they are , they have nothing to offer our Country nothing but the same old trickle down
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