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its difficult to create a peaceful democratic and free country breedingmad, it`s not easy.
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it`s not the norm, people might think so because we have been lucky for 300 years, its not .
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towns and cities in the uk are already heavily influenced by the wish of islam
you need to get out more mad |
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I think I have been to more U.K. towns and cities than you so don't try that one also
lived in Holland and France have seen terrorism first hand lived in Leeds past 20 years. |
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haha you are hilarious
you sure have the moral high ground I haven't left London many years. We are all in our trenches down here hiding. ps I have lived close up to Islam sir. And not in this country so don't try that one on me ho ho |
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Another solid argument from you can't argue with that show me a picture of your trench..
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We have very different outlooks. Breedingmad sees all religion as misguided at best, I much prefer Christianity by any measure.
Mainstream Islam does not seem comfortable with a multi-faith society. So we need to be talking about that imo. It's surely not a matter of managing a few criminally minded lunatics. |
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The supporters of daesh are not nutters. You simply do not understand the issue. There are many in this country who not only support the introduction of sharia law but also of the caliphate.
Until you understand this you understand very little. By dismissing them as 'nutters' you dismiss reasonable investigation and debate. They are completely insane and therefore have no valid motive as far as you are concerned. Even May would like to see the incorporation of sharia into english law. So the slow creep of islamification rolls on. |
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Religion is shaped to mean what the user wants it to mean.
Islamic terrorists tend to be under 40 and rebellious and alienated in some respect. They take Islam in a literal context, and perhaps even re interpret parts to fit an agenda. This guy seemingly had conflicting views of the same material to what his father had, being that his father ran from Gaddafi and his son watched him hunted down by the western proxy. The son wasn't particularly educated and did low paid menial work, perhaps experienced racism in his life and had an axe to grind about the whole western issue and looked towards rebellion. The warping of narrative was just the same for Christendom, the pope regularly did very unchristian like things in the Middle Ages in sanctioning war, and those who followed him would blind and castrate opponents or slaughter innocents. 'The west' has become less religious which has less of an influence on the collective mindset, while Islam is still 700 years behind. We are two sets of people living in two different ages, but it's not for me to decide whether they are suited. What I do know is there is nothing more certain than change itself. I see these gatherings after atrocities and the parroting of sentiment and often wonder how long people will keep doing it, it's almost as though the size of the crowd is becoming the automatic response to cover the inner feeling. At some point the tide will turn, you keep pulling the head off a scab and it goes bad. |
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That other thread completely disappeared whilst I was replying..said invalid thread..
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Breedingmad 24 May 17 08:48
So treat all Milwall fans as hooligans because half a dozen smash a pub up. All football fans are treated as potential trouble. Herded, segregated, kept in after a match and then herded again onto transport. It was the only way to curtail hooliganism and seems to work, in the main. |
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poor dustbin thinks that change necessarily means progress , it doesn't .
And he seems to think that all religions are equal, and are capable of leading to a free and good society They're not. |
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Religion was written by man, at a point when they were under the kosh, each 'tribe' wrote their own version, but the ones that followed others had to create a divide since they came after and the previous version had already been done.
There are parts of Islam that are very warlike, because they were written while at war. I'm not saying change is for good or bad, I'm saying it's inevitable. |
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Is the west less religious than it was 200, 300 years ago?
Probably not, it might be more religious than was . |
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What is clear to me is that when politicians come and tell the nation what they should be thinking, via some sort of emotional speech it become blasé.
Like Churchill or pretty much any leader wanting to get a response from the people, they didn't keep parroting the same rhetoric as it becomes useless. |
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nothing changes, you have a present, I don't want a future I want a present this seems to me of greater value
When you have a present you forget to even think of the future That's why there is no such thing as change. |
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The indigenous are becoming less religious, the minorities are bolstered by immigration who are more religious.
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The problem is not the politicians , Orwell thought that the people would have to guard against the state, now it is the state that has to guard against the people, but in the west
That is s fundamental change in thinking I will agree that has changed |
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unitedbiscuits never ever thought I would say this but you deserve post of the day. Well said sir.
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You see for all their faults most of us hold the same common values as most of the politicians
and di the people hold the same common values, I don't know I think that has changed, and that is why it's the people we have to fear, not so much the state |
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It's sunny outside I can't be arsed having an argument on the semantics of change ffs.
Other than to say however you look at it change is constant. |
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Before I go outside, I was essentially saying that people won't keep swallowing what the politicians tell em as it becomes valueless.
So to that end the state is fighting a rear guard action as they don't come up with anything new and the problem doesn't get solved, so to that extent I'm agreeing |
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Water and oil don't mix. The muslims would be better off going back to their homelands and practising their faith there.
They seem to have no problem killing innocents in their adopted countries. They have no intention in being part of a larger community, unless we all convert to Islam that it. So do us all a favour, leave Europe and don't return. You do not have the same values as the rest of us. The politicians can keep trying to force the oil to mix with the water but it aint gonna happen. |
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Do you know it is too much trouble to guard against their influence ,
I like comfort , I have to admit. |
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I like people who I understand, no, no I'm not telling lies.
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It is all about pouring cold water on anger. Anger will get change but the politicoes are on the back foot. They see pleasing the 3 million as important as any other part of this issue. You have to remember politicians have a very comfortable life and these are awkward questions being asked and they will not like it.
It is all about blowing smoke over it all. NOTHING WILL BE DONE. On sky - Watch the muslim apologist trying to turn this away from anything to do with islam and trying to make it JUST a criminal issue. They want anything that turns it away from their cult. They don't want its reputation tarnished. |
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"Mainstream Islam does not seem comfortable with a multi-faith society. So we need to be talking about that imo. It's surely not a matter of managing a few criminally minded lunatics."
Spot on. I've heard a lot about tolerance, and it's best to try and be tolerant. But, it's hard to be tolerant towards a religion that is highly intolerant. You try, but fairness will always trump tolerance in the end, as fairness is more important to people than tolerance. |
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Douglas Murray on BBC 2 now. He'll hopefully tell it as it is
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at least we know it has nothing to do with islam
'The family is super religious. They have about 10 kids and you never see any of the girls,' one neighbour, who did not want to be named, said. 'I only ever saw the mother once or twice in 10 years. She always stayed in the house and whenever I saw her she was wearing a veil.' |
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1 Abolish the Muslim Council
2 Prohibit the full face veil and burqa 3 Ban the men wearing their traditional garb except for weddings,feast days and the like 3 Close the mosques 4 Deport those who cannot read ,write and speak English 5 Close muslim only schools 6 Require an oath of allegiance to GB from all who live here 7 Intern everyone who is remotely thought of as being a danger to our society Only by taking drastic action will this country be able to reverse the Islamification of parts of the country like Bradford, Dewsbury,Rotherham,Burnley etc etc |
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posy - stop talking sense!
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Posy, You always have been far too easy going and an appeaser!!!!!!
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ps
TOOOOOOO LATE |
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There's millions of Muslims peacefully obeying their religion in this country who are a huge source of good to their communities. If we were to stop their right to live their life the way they currently are, this would change society for the worse, and we would become a hateful cruel society, that I wouldnt want to be a part of.
And do you really think a terrorist planning to commit an atrocity would be caught out cos he couldnt pretend to swear allegiance? Also, there is only one number 3 when you count to 7 |
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Stable door, horse bolted.
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