desensitized yet ?

First step in society accepting terrorism as normal I would say.

Deny anger a place in the reaction.

Do not question the religion of peace.

Actively promote 'carry on as normal' as a viable and credible response to children picking bits of shrapnel out of their faces.

Marginalise any agitation for change to the status quo.

Give airtime to poets and people giving out hugs

didnt someone say "get used to it "

So if people get angry, what does that do to stop or prevent terrorism?

zorro makes a good point, the internet and video games and films are very dangerous things, we are going to have to consider the damage that they can do and do like China and censor the internet and ban some violent films and games.

i like to think I'm liberal

but getting angrier every time I hear new details

Buried deep in their community.  It is pretty obvious what goes on. The community, Imam, mosque congregation and neighbours knew about his behaviour.   Did they report him and was it ignored or.........?

Breedingmad 24 May 17 08:21 Joined: 25 Jul 14 | Topic/replies: 20,111 | Blogger: Breedingmad's blog
So if people get angry, what does that do to stop or prevent terrorism?

So you don’t want to be angry? Not angry at the fact that teenagers going to a concert have had their lives ended or the faces and bodies deliberately ripped apart and thousands of others traumatised?

Not angry that despite stopping tens of other terrorist attacks in the last few years, the people who govern us are seemingly incapable of stopping  this happening again and again in the coming years.

Of course that anger shouldn’t be targeted at the much mentioned ordinary Muslims who live and work peacefully in this country but I’ll tell you what also makes me angry –

the same people on here (and my Facebook page) who rightly say that we shouldn’t lump all Muslims in with the extremists are the same people who when Jo Cox was murdered were out in force calling it a consequence of the rise of the nasty Brexiteers  – tarring the 17 million people subsequently exercised their democratic rights in the EU referendum with the same brush.

Why do some people only use this argument in one direction and not the other?

You ask what it does to prevent terrorism? – the short answer is nothing. Were you angry when Jo Cox was murdered? If so what good did that do? Again the short answer is nothing but when we stop feeling angry at this sort of thing is when we really start to accept it as a normal part of life. If you are not angry then you are already doing that.

On a bit of a rant there.............

They want the idiot fringe to get louder and retaliate against all the decent muslims who are as culpable of this atrocity as you or I, they want to sew division and hatred.

Eh?

Who does?

I sometimes wonder if the likes of Hopkins, Robinson, prison planet guy etc are in on it all. Are they part funded by some lunatic Saudi prince?

No mate, they're simply journalists doing their job which is to bring stuff to the public's eye.

Have you got a problem with that?

simply put ok

there are those who want to do something about it and want to see it done

then there is a majortiy (it seems) who do not

we will have to live with that until people change their minds

as long as they haven't taken over by then

they are already heavily influencing policy and thinking in several cities and towns

porky is an apologist
I wonder at what his actual allegiance is.  What are the connections that lead him to these pro islamic conlusions.
You have to wonder.
He tries to confuse the issue and make out it has nothing to with islam.

as for screaming mad - he thinks they are all nutters - a small number - therefor dismissing any ideology or plain reason for the daesh strategy and the support it gets amongst the wider community.

So if people get angry, what does that do to stop or prevent terrorism?

It doesn't ofc, but people will regardless if they think things are not fair, and perhaps more so if they feel certain views are being silenced.  It's best to be straight and open.  Not obfuscate what is perhaps the main issue, the religion's intolerance.

Personally, I'm all for banging on about tolerance and getting along, but I want the likes of Piers Morgan's views to get an airing.  I don't expect his views to dominate, I expect the opposite.  But I think you won't get anywhere unless you take everyone's views into account.  Just perhaps Piers Morgan is on the right lines.

Douglas Murray telling it like it is on Daily Politics. Vehement disagreement from Hazel Blears.

What has been highlighted is the basic, decency and humanity of the vast majority of UK citizens when faced with the unimaginable horror of mass-murder, right up in your face.

For me, this does not preclude asking wholly reasonable questions of our political leaders and the wider society in which we live. If - as seems likely given the modus operandi of the terroist concerned - this has been inspired by Islam then questions must be asked of ALL Muslims.

Do they believe and take literally Quran 3:151?

Will they work with intelligence and law enforcement agencies to flush out perpetrators and would-be perpetrators of these actions?

Do they agree that in a secular society where they have made their homes, British rule of law is paramount above and beyond any adherence to religious codes?

It's not good enough to brand anyone raising these questions as 'Islamophobes' (a phobia being an irrational fear of something - when there is no irrationality as far as I'm concerned in raising perfectly legitimate questions). It's not good enough to swallow the 'Religion of Peace' soundbyte which is trotted out time and again in these circumstances (The Quaran is a very violent book if you read it). It's not good enough to come out with ther thousand and one pieties about 'Israel....Brevihk....the murder of Jo Cox by a white supremacist....promising young footballer.....mental illness....Britsh foreign policy....designed to take the focus off the real perpetrators of this and the majority of recent terrorist atrocities inflicted on the West.

Love and strength to the victims, the emergency services who did their jobs so magnificently and everyone else reacting as decent human beings when faced with the suffering of another.

The fact that radical Muslims and moderate Muslims share so many views is a major stumbling block.

Where one ends and the other begins can never be clear. The ideologies are two close.

When you accept the moderates, you will have to get ready to deal with the extremists at some point.

I am sure you know where to look.  What is a good muslim??  One who follows the book and it is all put down to the will of allah.
The ultimate cop out.

So the bad Muslim is the good guy as far as we're concerned?

that would be about right - a good muslim follows the book

I forget who said it... 'An extremist muslim will cut your head off, a moderate muslim will hold you while he's doing it', or something like that?
As Dr Crippen says, 'Where one ends and the other begins can never be clear.'

You just really can't help yourself Moisek ,try debating without insulting or is it that beyond you?

barking mad thinks they are all nutters - no reason to do what they do - which avoids having to explain motivation BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY - the book that gives them that reason.  So barking is trying to blow smoke on the whole issue. Basically and apologist for islam.

I also don't confuse terrorist attacks with gas explosions  or say 'i hope it isn't a terrorist attack'

I have one teddy bear and a few candles in my Anderson shelter, waiting for another air raid from that nasty man mr hilter of Minehead.

Barking - you are a silly billy

Nobody wants terror attacks are you saying you do?

you are barking.

they were your words barking mad,  as usual trying to deflect and blow smoke - your usual apologist tactics

No you keep insulting and never actually provide any solutions to your obsessive critique
of anyone who is not anti-this or anti--that.

you may have to draw a firm line under the truly astounding great column of figures there breedingmad
I would not be sufficiently intelligent to add those up

yes mad you are a bit of a troll aren't you  I wonder what your special connections are.
I love how you accuse me of wanting more terrorist attacks.
There must be something wrong with you to say that.
hope this helps

It gets a bit boring and none of them are in the least bit creative

you can hardly blame moisok, or anyone else for that, that's what happens when you don't listen, and just count

its all part of his campaign to silence any criticism of the cult he supports

I have posted many long dissertations and messages/replies stating positions/critiques etc but you barking mad choose to ignore them

I don't mind - I know you are trying to defend the cult by blowing hot air and smoke over the issues

Pathetic - unable to keep up with the debate. ho ho

WHY are we talking about Muslims - they are pre FKed.
leave them alone, this is what we did with the Japanese,
first we fight them, them we become friends and then
we absorb some of their culture? Stop talking about them.
they are not the focus of our lives.
forget them and get on with your life. stop living in fear.
Let the authorities deal with them, it's the job they applied
for as MP's.