IRAN

Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, and elsewhere in the world, this evil and brutal regime, poor devils

not the americans,not the Saudis then?

It depends what you mean by terrorists lfc. The Shia regimes have not really attacked targets outside the middle east. There is a long-running cicil war going on in Israel/Palestine,where,as happens in all civil wars,both sides have outside backers.

look you idiot, the Americans are trying to destroy ISIS and other terrorist organisations funded and helped by the Iranian government
The Saudi government with all its faults is trying to do the same, and is an ally to America in this.

I was not calling you an idiot salmon, it was that other idiot :)

you are really clueless,i cant waste another word on you

thankyou, its easy to stay silent.

The Government of Iran do not fund or help ISIS lfc.

Iran is a Shia Nation, and is thus regarded as heretic by ISIS.

you can avoid causing the least damage, or saying something even more stupid by being silent

the $hit you come out with I cant reponse to it anymore,everything you say is so terrible wrong

you will find I said that America are trying to destroy ISIS, Iran fund groups like hamas who in their turn fund ISIS
iRAN had extensive funding and ties to Al Quaeda which evolved into ISIS

Iran needs ISIS and other jihadist groups in order to extend into Syria and Iraq..Iran is the greatest source of terrorism in the region

Iran have been involved in ISLS advance in Aleppo and within Syria

In Gaza, Iran funds Hamas, which uses funds to support ISIS in the Synai peninsula, and in Syria

Iran sends its forces, money and whatever it can to help Assad, not to those attempting to build separate states within Syria's borders.

the Islamic state was born out of Al Queada, funded by Iran
that may seem surprising given that Iran is Shia, but over the last 20 years they have provided support financial, material, technological and other support services to AQ

ITS an unexpected relationship, but that's how it is.

That's not how it is at all.

The Islamic State was born out of Al Qaeda? What planet are you actually on?

Look, the Islamic state was born out of a global jihad against the west, that is what you have to remember in the case of Iran and its goals.
It is more complex than simply a Iran being Shia, they have provided funds and support to AQ in Iraq, they are now involved in Syria and other parts of the middle east, but it is the west and democracy that it is really against, and will fund, and support, any terrorist organisation in the region that is anti American and the west
That is what they have done for decades, and what they are doing now

No it isn't mate. You couldn't be more wrong, Iran simply does not fund or aid and abet Sunni terrorist groups.

Iranian agents are directly giving weapons , and selling weapons to ISIS  for oil now

Iran needs the threat of Sunni terrorist groups to stay in Syria. It tried to portray itself as helping the effort to defeat ISIS
That was a lie

In Iraq Iran have never dislodged any ISIS group from any significant territory
they don't want to

So Iranian agents are giving weapons to ISIS in exchange for oil? You're getting silly now mate, Iran doesn't need Syrian or Iraqi oil ffs, they have 10% of the world's known remaining oil deposits in Iran.

The support that ISIS received in its formative years from Iran was part of a broader alliance that ISIS foarmed with al Queada. Iran tried to portray itself as in the vanguard of the fight against ISIS, it was a lie

Iran is not in Syria to defeat ISIS, it is there to shore up the Assad regime, with which it has always been friendly, and concentrates its fire on the non-aligned rebel groups which have risen up against him.

You are just making stuff up now mate, and however much you try to convince yourself it's true, it is not.

The support that ISIS received in its formative years from Iran was part of a broader alliance that ISIS foarmed with al Queada

This is quite frankly utter bilge.

jed, every country needs oil, and every individual within those countries, and governments like money
who could deny that?

Of course people like money, that's not in dispute.

What is in dispute - and again is quite laughable - is whether, as you claim, Iran exchanges weapons for oil with ISIS.

jed its this simple Iran and its allied militias in Iraq do not extend themselves to fight ISIS, they don't do it

I just told you why. It's quite straightforward.

jed when Iran exchanges weapons for oil who do you think gets the money, no its not the Iranian people, its individuals...they don't carte where the money comes from, shia or ****, its all the same to them

Its may come as a surprise, they are not that religious.

i bet this neighbours love him jed

OK, so individuals are doing a bit of contraband exchange? That is entirely different from the state-sponsored sale of weapons in exchange for oil you claimed to exist ten minutes ago.

You don't know what you're talking about here mate.

*his neighbours--picks a row for the sake of it.
and talks outta his at$E

You have to understand the mindset of those in power and the hundreds of hangers on and thousands of officials in Iran, they couldn't care where the money comes from.
Who do they fear? not their own people, not muslim terrorists of a different part of the same religion

No they fear America and the West, and its ideas, and freedoms

That is why they will fund and support any terrorist group that is anti America, and the west.

Again, no they won't. The Iranian State does not support or fund ISIS, nor does it allow its proxies to do so. You are quite wrong on this.

The man most responsible for fostering the unexpected relationship was an Iranian Imad Mughniyeh, he commanded a vast terror network that included Hezbollah, Al Queada, Hamas and many others

You've been on the Fox News website again haven't you?

He provided support services to Al Queada money, technology etc , the predecessor to the Islamic state

Not even Fox news would publish **** like this.

Iran are very subtle and devious, those in power are concerned with one thing, they knew after what happened to saddam America was the greatest threat to that power.
That is why they were prepared to support any terrorist group in order to frustrate any chance of America getting a peaceful settlement in Iraq
That is how it works, they are playing the west for fools by using this shia smokescreen

forget about Iran being shia, their goal is not to have the same fate as Saddam.

I'm sorry mate, but you are talking nonsense, and given how convinced you appear of your own rectitude I see no point in continuing this conversation.

I`m convinced of one thing, there is no difference between the dictators in Iran, and the dictator that was in Iraq
no difference at all.

money is a funny thing, wallets can establish connections and change peoples opinions of a different religion and sect, and form strange alliances.
This is the story of Iran.

lfc. You are right about Iran funding Assad,Hezbollah and Hamas. Assad is the other main Shia leader in the Middle East. The other groups are Shia and have mainly been anti-Israel because they support the Arabs living in Palestine against the Israelis and pro-Assad because the groups opposing him,not just ISIS,are mainly Sunni. As you keep being told it was the Saudis and Yemenis who supported Al-Quaeda and then ISIS which are Sunni groups. The Shia/Sunni split is as toxic as the Protestant/Catholic split was in Europe in the 16th and 17th centuries.

yes salmon, people should remember a very old saying in relation to Iran and the terrorist groups it  supports
My enemy's enemy is my friend
The would finance and help anything that they felt was any America and the west
That is what has been happening in this region
Iran does not fear a different sect if Muslim terrorist , it will help it if it destabilises America's goal
In Iraq and anywhere else .

They saw saddam hanging from the gallows and knew they must not allow the same thing to happen to them

This overrides everything else

it flies in the face of all known facts to link the wave of terrorist actocities since 9/11 on the shia,
who most usually been its target

speaking last week before the house foreign affairs committee,Rex Tillerson said Washington will support efforts of a regime change in Iran.

Tehran officially delivered a note of protest to the UN.

Fu ck me you wouldn't know "The Judean people's front" from the "People's front of Judea"

aint nothing funny here boy,
so there

Oh come it's a blast......or soon wil be

yes indeed and IS will love it

Quite amazing how Israel hasn't got any blame in all this !

yep they are also up to their necks in it

what have Israel done?

I wouldn`t be surprised if Israel wanted to do destroy the Iranian regime who could blame them?
anyone know what they have done?

The US has always had a special hatred for Iran which has nothing to do with the terrorist threat it poses. It started when the US puppet the Shah was ousted - then there was the US embassy humiliations including the rescue attempt debacle. More recently there was the US Navy "gap year" sailors who were taken hostage from their boat and forced to appear on TV. The humiliations never seem to end. On top of all this Iran has the cheek to sell lots of oil to China.

Then of course you have the Saudis who hate Iran with a passion, a nasty regime if ever there was one, who can do whatever they like including 9/11 and trying to ruin the US fracking industry - it's OK as long as they keep buying US arms.

when lfc watches films about WWII he's never sure who to root for.

"Something extraordinary has happened in Washington,President Donald Trump has made it clear,in no uncertain terms and with no effect to disguise his duplicity,that he will claim that Tetran is cheating on the nuclear deal by October-the facts be damned.
in short the fix is in,Trump will refuse to accept that Iran is in compliance and thereby set the stage for a military confrontation,his advisors have been kind enough to explain how they will go about this.rarely has a sinister plan to destroy an arms control agreement and pave the way for war been so openly telegraphed".

I thought he was against the deal? At least thats what he was on about most of the time during his campaign? If they are cheating on it should make him happy.

"facts be damned" which is saying they are going in whatever the truth-v uncool

poor detraveller is not capable of logical thought. Trump was against the deal because the deal was a bad deal because Iran would not stick to the deal and it was not possible to verify the deal.
So that doesn't mean that Trump should be happy, it just means he was right.

thanks lfc.

they have stuck to the deal,why do you say they have not?

the deal was in place to stop Iran financing and supporting terrorism and to stop its nuclear programme and America would stop its sanctions and buy its uranium etc at great cost to America, Iran is not complying with this.It was a bad deal because they will not comply

The US cannot run the entire world. The sooner they realize it, the better. They may never run out of patriotic people that are willing to fight for them. But if they are indeed willing to take on North Korea and Iran(looks like only rough talking to me), it is playing with nuclear fire. Good luck to them and the European troops who will go to fight alongside them, but there's never going to be a winner or a loser. All major empires fall of their own weight but still each one of them think they are never gonna go down.

It is possible for America to run the world, Britain was able to do so for 400 years.

That was a good thing, because it was Britain.
who could deny that?

Yes lfc, my point is it eventually breaks you. What's left of Britain? Its a different debate I know but the people Britain ruled for hundreds of years have eaten it from the inside. You aren't safe in your own capital now so what was the point of ruling the world? At some point it becomes too much. One step too many. I would love to see America vs Iran/NK. In my short life, that will be at least a better matchup than what ive seen so far.

History shows all great countries commit suicide, that is what Britain and Europe is doing.

If I was America, I would ridcule North Korea. Tease them with you can't hit me stuff. Make them hit me. Even if they can hit me, I can defend. Once they start, I turn them to dust. Its easy that way, only you cant make much money with it because its a short lived conflict. That's why we have deals, sanctions, arms sales and what not to prolong the conflicts that keep people busy and are a money maker. North Korea is a threat that can be made to look real whenever america wants. SO they are milking it. As much as I want to see the war, I cant see that happening.

North Korea is probably the only country in american neighborhood that can be made to look like a threat without any possibility of damage to America. They will not want to finish them off. Milk them like they are doing now. With someone like Trump in charge, it will take a tweet to start a war whenever they want and no one will argue(because its Trump).

I don`t think that makes a great deal of sense. The problem is not just the threat posed by these countries but the very nature of the countries.
Now it is no good saying that this threat is manufacfactured by the arms manufactures when the problem is within N.Korea. the torture and murder and  repression and starvation of the population.

the problem is within N.Korea. the torture and murder and repression and starvation of the population. If we are heading towards a war because yet another country needs to be liberated then God help this planet.

as I posted on aug 1st,it all kicks off in October and guess what heres october

Spot on Terry,way back a year ago

Yeap

Trump is very much on the side of Israel

His supporters look bigger fools with each passing day, but they simply wont criticise him and refuse to admit they've been had

So are now just going along with it and supporting him anyway

Poor devils..............dont make me fxxking laugh.Backing Assad, Hezbollah etc etc. As we speak bomb shelters being opened in the Golan Hieghts. Israeli armed forces on high alert. Attack imminent

Now we wait for the usual false flag then blame Iran and then attack, lets see how long that takes

yeah right-o ufc

Now we wait for the usual false flag then blame Iran

we've already had the false flag with Donald claiming Iran was breaking the deal - complete fiction just like the Iraq WMDs

And that's how it works in this ****ed up World we live in

"Now we wait for the usual false flag then blame Iran

we've already had the false flag with Donald claiming Iran was breaking the deal - complete fiction just like the Iraq WMDs"

Are you in the know about this then AT or just guessing like the rest of us?

well no evidence has been produced and only Trump/Netanhayu seem to believe there is any - no other NATO countries think the agreement had been broken

ttt

Iran is a nice place - the people can be very kind - there's a lot of what I would call the middle class want rid of the mullahs.  And yes I have been there.

Pinched from Reddit - An interesting read

People comparing the danger of Trump, Bolton, and Pompeo fooling the country/world into war to the Bush Iraq WMDs but the they miss the size of Iran and the scope of a war with that country.

It’s as big as Germany. Sorry. It has about as many people as Germany. Over 80 million. It’s the 18th most populated country on earth. It’s also the 18th biggest economy in the world as well at about 1.7 Trillion. That’s just behind Canada and Saudi Arabia but hundreds of Billions more than Australia - that underdeveloped defenseless third world country. I didn’t mean to say it was as big as Germany, it’s not even close. It is over 4 times bigger than Germany. It is a massive country with large portions being inhospitable and impassable mountains and deserts. It is not an exaggeration to say that it’s very land is a fortress.

Invading Iran is invading an economy the size of Texas with nearly 3 times the population and more than twice as much area to cover with 10 times the logistical issues. It would make the Vietnam War seem quaint, short, and clean. This ignores that this would almost certainly lead to a cascading series of events that would incite massive, possibly global war. Nearly every probable scenario would result in the deaths of millions as a result of the conflict and its secondary impacts. To accomplish what goals???

If you aren’t terrified of the idea of starting this war I strongly encourage you to speak to a veteran who’s under 80. If the war goes well it would mean years of death and violence on a scale the US has not seen in 2 generations. It won’t go well. I have no idea why we are even considering it.

I’ve posted version of this several times and I e gotten a few response saying the equivalent of “but we’ll just use our Air Force/bombings/missile strikes” or even “we’ll just use nukes.” The first group are scary because they don’t seem to grasp basic math or history. The second are not sane.

The use of ANY nuclear weapons changes the world as we know it. It is the most taboo act of war short of possibly a biological attack. If the order was given it would be better if there were a coup in the US. That would be less destabilizing. Not downplaying that, I’m trying to give a sense of scope. It would break the Western alliance and the US economy, followed by the world, would take a hit to the economy on par with the Great Depression.

Edit: Addition really - Tehran, Iran has a larger population than NYC. Both weigh in at just below 9 Million people. Imagine trying to take any action against a city of that size without committing multiple war crimes by accident. Imagine the response to Katrina, but with war. That’s only a tenth of the population.

There are 5 other cities in Iran with populations over 1 million.

There are 60 more cities with population between 100 thousand and 1 million.

For reference, Albany, NY doesn’t quite have 100 thousand residents. There are 139 OTHER cities in Iran in Albany’s bracket. Source

Edit2 - Call your Representatives! I hadn’t called about this before, but I just did. I actually spoke to a person at the office of Roy Blunt (MO). I started a generic 15 second, you don’t care and I know that, statement of concern and then I switched tactics and asked the person if they knew how many people lived in Iran. In Tehran. If they had a ballpark guess. They didn’t and I told them. I wasn’t calm but I didn’t yell. I begged. I said “Please, this isn’t a political call. War on this scale is unthinkable and nobody is saying anything. You’re THERE. Say something, I’m begging you PLEASE say anything. Just say that you’re scared because you’d be crazy not to be. Please! It’s almost too late, but you’re there. Try. Please.” They were shook by it, not that I expect it to work directly, but they heard those numbers. I’m going to do that some more.

Edit3 - Just had a long conversation with someone in Rep. Ann Wagner’s office. They guessed that Iran had a population of around 500k. Let that sink in. That 1/163 of the right answer. Theran has 18 times that many.

He heard me out for several minutes. He said he’d give my numbers to the rep.

People must be getting sick and tired of these elites?

They no longer even hide the fact they are despicable characters, they airstrike in a sovereign nation, killing another countries top commander and then bark out orders of restraint

If it comes to war all Englishmen can be called up at any time to serve in a holy war against the evil Iranian regime . ( law dates back to Henry 1V )

Jan 4, 2020 -- 7:07PM, Poppydog. wrote:

Pinched from Reddit - An interesting readPeople comparing the danger of Trump, Bolton, and Pompeo fooling the country/world into war to the Bush Iraq WMDs but the they miss the size of Iran and the scope of a war with that country.It’s as big as Germany. Sorry. It has about as many people as Germany. Over 80 million. It’s the 18th most populated country on earth. It’s also the 18th biggest economy in the world as well at about 1.7 Trillion. That’s just behind Canada and Saudi Arabia but hundreds of Billions more than Australia - that underdeveloped defenseless third world country. I didn’t mean to say it was as big as Germany, it’s not even close. It is over 4 times bigger than Germany. It is a massive country with large portions being inhospitable and impassable mountains and deserts. It is not an exaggeration to say that it’s very land is a fortress.Invading Iran is invading an economy the size of Texas with nearly 3 times the population and more than twice as much area to cover with 10 times the logistical issues. It would make the Vietnam War seem quaint, short, and clean. This ignores that this would almost certainly lead to a cascading series of events that would incite massive, possibly global war. Nearly every probable scenario would result in the deaths of millions as a result of the conflict and its secondary impacts. To accomplish what goals???If you aren’t terrified of the idea of starting this war I strongly encourage you to speak to a veteran who’s under 80. If the war goes well it would mean years of death and violence on a scale the US has not seen in 2 generations. It won’t go well. I have no idea why we are even considering it.I’ve posted version of this several times and I e gotten a few response saying the equivalent of “but we’ll just use our Air Force/bombings/missile strikes” or even “we’ll just use nukes.” The first group are scary because they don’t seem to grasp basic math or history. The second are not sane.The use of ANY nuclear weapons changes the world as we know it. It is the most taboo act of war short of possibly a biological attack. If the order was given it would be better if there were a coup in the US. That would be less destabilizing. Not downplaying that, I’m trying to give a sense of scope. It would break the Western alliance and the US economy, followed by the world, would take a hit to the economy on par with the Great Depression.Edit: Addition really - Tehran, Iran has a larger population than NYC. Both weigh in at just below 9 Million people. Imagine trying to take any action against a city of that size without committing multiple war crimes by accident. Imagine the response to Katrina, but with war. That’s only a tenth of the population.There are 5 other cities in Iran with populations over 1 million.There are 60 more cities with population between 100 thousand and 1 million.For reference, Albany, NY doesn’t quite have 100 thousand residents. There are 139 OTHER cities in Iran in Albany’s bracket. SourceEdit2 - Call your Representatives! I hadn’t called about this before, but I just did. I actually spoke to a person at the office of Roy Blunt (MO). I started a generic 15 second, you don’t care and I know that, statement of concern and then I switched tactics and asked the person if they knew how many people lived in Iran. In Tehran. If they had a ballpark guess. They didn’t and I told them. I wasn’t calm but I didn’t yell. I begged. I said “Please, this isn’t a political call. War on this scale is unthinkable and nobody is saying anything. You’re THERE. Say something, I’m begging you PLEASE say anything. Just say that you’re scared because you’d be crazy not to be. Please! It’s almost too late, but you’re there. Try. Please.” They were shook by it, not that I expect it to work directly, but they heard those numbers. I’m going to do that some more.Edit3 - Just had a long conversation with someone in Rep. Ann Wagner’s office. They guessed that Iran had a population of around 500k. Let that sink in. That 1/163 of the right answer. Theran has 18 times that many.He heard me out for several minutes. He said he’d give my numbers to the rep.

Iran won't be invaded. Any war that happens will be on Iraqi territory. Invading Iran is stupid because America will have to fully decimate them. Why would they do that? The threat of Iran has made them loads of money and influence in the region for decades.

I personally think this is just a power struggle among the gulf countries, especially Saudi Arabia. That prince is pure evil. Who knows he dreams of ruling the whole of middle east. He's just 34. And somehow has both US and UK at his feet. What would you do if you had that much power?

You can't invade Iran with soldiers, its nye on impossible with their terrain

You'd have to nuke it and that ain't happening

This is basically going to be a neutral venue where another country is collateral damage

I notice that TM has been banging this particular drum for years now !!!

As is the norm Terry Lad you are streets ahead of the usual suspects

"Soleimani represented Iranian resilience and resistance against US state-terrorism,its endless wars of aggression,its rage for global control by brute force-responsible for countless millions of deaths,vast destruction and human misery globally".
"Todays criminal class in the nations capital makes the unthinkable possible(nuclear war)-.Bipartisan hardliners abhorrent of peace,stability,equity,justice,and the rule of law.They"re unchallenged by a largely ignorant indifferent public brainwashed by political and media talking heads,distracted by bread and circuses".

Nov. 10, 2019

TEHRAN, Iran — Iran has discovered an oil field in the country’s south with [b]more than 50 billion barrels of crude oil, its president said on Sunday, a development that could bolster the nation’s proven reserves by a third as it struggles to sell energy abroad.

The announcement by President Hassan Rouhani comes as Iran faces crushing American sanctions imposed last year when the United States withdrew from nuclear deal with Iran and world powers.

As is the norm simply follow the money and treat the hype with the contempt it deserves.
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There will only be one group of winners here and that small group will include the military industrial complex. They just love war. selling arms and mindless killing.

Trust no one. Believe nothing you hear or see in the MSM and COMPLETELY ignore the propaganda. Look at the big picture and draw your own conclusions. Look for any evidence to back up the unlimited nonsense which is going to be spouted from here on in. This is the escalation in violence which has been bubbling up for a very long time now. ( My words , not copied and pasted from anywhere )

A new decade has been entered yet nothing changes in the land of hope and glory and far far beyond

The Trump regime bears full responsibility for what happened (downing of plane)because of its endless regional hot wars,econmic terrorism and other hostile actions-forcing Iran"s military to be on high alert against possible US aggression.