i am going to freeze 10 million old age pensioners to death.

She's cutting the payment to those OAPs that have a reasonable income.
My pensions take me above the average wage yet I get £200 heating allowance.
You think I should?

People Living too Long some with Damaged Brains ,something needs to be done tbh

did you donate this years allowance to a needy cause or did you keep it ?

Yes Expats in sunnier climes really need their winter allowance, don't they. Grow up

I bet in the next few days she will clarify that she will not be cutting the fuel allowance,but her plan has worked already not a word about the promise of( low tax) changed to( tax will be as low as possible).Theresa is a clever girl.

I guess I am the only person in the world that noticed that.but then again most people would not have read her new manifesto word for word.

its not what you say its the way that you say it,and that's what gets results.

You are a cruel man foxy.  I was freezing yesterday and could have done with 200 £1 pound notes to burn and warm me up in the brazier - (a la Marxist books and Bolsheviks keeping warm post revolution)

casemoney 18 May 17 22:37 Joined: 04 Aug 06 | Topic/replies: 17,323 | Blogger: casemoney's blog
People Living too Long some with Damaged Brains ,something needs to be done tbh

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I think you need a good nights sleep Chaser

donny osmond
did you donate this years allowance to a needy cause or did you keep it ?

Didn't treat it any different from any other payments into my account. (I only actually get £100 and the wife the other £100)
As it is I give by SO monthly donations to 2 charities which far exceeds that amount.

Breedingmad 18 May 17 23:06 Joined: 25 Jul 14 | Topic/replies: 19,915 | Blogger: Breedingmad's blog
I think you need a good nights sleep ChaserWink


sleepings for wimps

good man aka, but its 125 quid less for charity next year

i don't get it - everybody knows the bankers dropped us in the hole?
they just told you yesterday LLoyds took ten years to recover with the governments help after they crashed the car. yet the friends of the rich people and banks are the ahead in the polls. It's increased numbers of billionaires and we are now heading for inflation and starvation. yet we still cling onto blue red politics. when they are the same. labour has played kid on tories with Blair. (have you seen his school)(Goldman Sachs boy) or go with the Conservatives who don't have to pretend. they just want to cut your legs off to save a penny.

Are we still playing class war when there are only 1800 billionaires winning.

We will have our revenge when the one beyond 'John the Baptist' finally croaks.

is it you?

i am just one gambler crying in the wilderness. lost my stake money

Sooner or later.

Do Leftie luvvies love Jeremy Corbyn as much as they love tax efficiency?

.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/19/do-leftie-luvvies-love-jeremy-corbyn-much-love-tax-efficiency/

May has loads of terrible, evil policies, that will ruin lives for alot of people in this country, however this isn't one of them - actually quite a good idea to save some unnecessary expenditure

Weird isn't it?
May says "Take some money back from those who can afford it, to give to those who need it"
and it's a good idea.
Corbyn says "Take some money back from those who can afford it, to give to those who need it"
and he's a loony.

All of which goes towards the proof that talking about politics is really a waste of time, People see what they want to see and seldom change their minds.

Indeed when you have the biased right wing media fawning over One Nation Theresa and demonising Jeremy just like they have done with every Labour leader since the war , welcome to Murdoch/mail ukplc

Corbyn does it all for them when he appoints clown like Abbott as a shadow minister for heaven's sake .

Anxious you obviously never Visit the BBC website

Corbyn will be History in a Months Time and Good riddance

Really I don't think any votes have been counted yet , What would be a success for One Nation Theresa 50 seat majority or does she need more to prevent the knives coming out

Diane Abbott shadow home secretary, The Home Secretary is responsible for, immigration, policing in England and Wales and matters of national security, the Security Service, MI5, is directly accountable to the Home Secretary. Would anyone really trust Diane Abbot with those powers? FFS.

Corbyn who spent all his time rebelling against his own party on various matters, has now suddenly gone quiet on these same things, easy to be a disgruntled (union card carrying) shop floor worker carping about everything, different story when given the factory gate keys and the responsibilities of running the very thing that was easy to criticise when carping had no consequences. He couldn't run a newspaper stand without fcking it up, he's a moaner not a go getter, the proof is in the people he surrounds himself with.

In a system like ours which needs strong opposition to limit the damage (whichever government) successive governments may do, and have done!!. We get this feeble clown and his circus troop. God help us.

When my friend corby gets in it will be Re-education camp for you Mr Fox.

NOOOOOOOOO, anything but that!

You deliberately didn't capitalise his name, you rascal.

us trots are all equal under allah!!!

ABBA IS GREAT!!!!

Jezza gives many people the trots!!.

RIGHT!!!  THAT'S IT.   It will be the old Isle Of Man route for you.(barbed wire and all that)  The great leader JEZ is not pleased.  The great leader's 'mattress'  has ways of dealing with whiteys like you. Especially if they are cab drivers.

use finnish!!!!!!!!!

Yippee! you've got me singing now, 'Oh the craic was ninety in the Isle of Man'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGq2jf9kyx0

Brassneck
I've worked hard all my life and am now retired and have more money now than I know what to do with so why should someone give me £200 towards winter fuel. I've tried to give it back but the red tape is impossible so it goes to charity for the aged. I shall try not to freeze to death next winter.

Theresa May(be)

Theresa May(be)

I know pensioners in million pound homes (mortgages paid of years ago) with final salary pensions + state pension who get the following:

Free tv licence
bus pass ( 1 chap I know leaves his car at home, gets the free bus to save on car parking)
free prescriptions ( I know of 2 who offered to pay but were told 'no')
winter fuel allowance
And.....

a ten pound gift at Christmas courtesy of the Uk Government!

Corbyns economic madness will cause infinitely more suffering amongst the old and poor than anything the Tories could ever do.

Really like the 80s with Thatcher and over 4 million on the dole

Free tv licence
bus pass ( 1 chap I know leaves his car at home, gets the free bus to save on car parking)
free prescriptions ( I know of 2 who offered to pay but were told 'no')
winter fuel allowance
And.....

First it was the Doleys
then it was the immigrants
now we're after the pensions.

Only a question of time we will be switching off the people on life support to say on the leccy.

Free tv licence
bus pass ( 1 chap I know leaves his car at home, gets the free bus to save on car parking)
free prescriptions ( I know of 2 who offered to pay but were told 'no')
winter fuel allowance
And.....

First it was the Doleys
then it was the immigrants
now we're after the pensioners.

Only a question of time we will be switching off the people on life support to say on the leccy

Yes that would be another Helpful move

bus pass ( 1 chap I know leaves his car at home, gets the free bus to save on car parking)

Aren't you left wingers supposed to be green.

akabula    18 May 17 22:37 
She's cutting the payment to those OAPs that have a reasonable income.
My pensions take me above the average wage yet I get £200 heating allowance.
You think I should?


Reasonable income ? No figures have been quoted.
It will require a ' means test'  on 10,million pensioners. !
That will cost a staggering amount of money in administration.

And also be totally useless. I was listening to a prog on the radio a few years ago about a means tested benefit. The interviewer asked  how the claimants' had to prove the value of their income and assets. The answer "They don't. We take their word for it."

Those pensioners living in million pound homes. So what?

How much in tax would they have paid during their lives?

Yet someone who hasn't paid anything into the system, can get on the bus without the inconvenience of having the correct change, same with trains (even more inconvenience.)

Prescriptions are another item that would cause inconvenience especially when they're multiple.

And this is after the person has paid many times more into the system than a scrounger who gets the lot buckshee.

It's an upside down system when those who pay for it don't get it, and those that haven't paid anything at all can get the lot.

The winter fuel allowance surprisingly is a net killer.

Study after study has found no reduction in the 'excess winter deaths' statistics following its introduction.
And in 2016 Fournier and Johansson at the OECD published a paper which found that an increase of 1% of GDP in pensioner hand outs reduces GDP by 2%. The result is the country is poorer, and poorer countries have shorter less happy lives, on average.

If you want to get an extra £300 a year to pensioners who need it, to spend on anything of their choosing, because that is what the WFA is, then stick £6/week on the rates of State Pension, Pension Credit, and the applicable amounts of benefit claims. Pensioners do not lose the ability to budget accordingly a year after their 64th birthday.
This would mean the extra income is taxable, so the government would get 0, 20, 40 or 45% of it back depending on income.

Some dirty old men Will be having sexy Fun with brasses with WFA  then freezing rest of Winter...

brassy lad, if you're going to freeze some OAPs to death, can you start with bodil? ta x

SO THE 100,S and 100,s of mp,s,pundits etc who over the last 25 years on the airwaves have been saying means testing these benefits will cost more money than it saves have been lying,universal credit already 5 years behind in its roll out so who,s going to means test these pensioners,not the same private results based cowboys who made such a mess of stopping invalid,pip payments

Why does everyone have this vision of an OAP huddled around a gas ring trying to keep warm ? Get out on the golf courses all over the country to see how their suffering

The means testing will simply be that all those on Pension Credit will get it and the rest will not.

Which gives people another reason for not contributing towards their own pension.

The Scots will still get it in full. That's the same ones that don't pay for prescriptions and get their bus passes at 60 -paid for by the magic money tree . The West Coast of Scotland is warmer than the East Coast of Northumberland due to the Gulf Stream but no account is taken of that. I think the Tories majority will be less than it would have been if they hadn't announced this.

Does anyone really think this has anything to do with the weather?
This unnecessary profligacy was introduced in order to gain votes and has cost billions.
Benefits, once introduced, are notoriously difficult to reduce or remove regardless of whether they serve any useful purpose.

leeds yorkshire was colder than edinburgh the ave temp jan 2017

I'm sure if you have a good lawyer you could dispute winter fuel payments in court

you're going to need heating wherever you live in Europe - nowhere is 'warm'  in winter .

the allowance is just part of the pension , same as the licence -it's payment back for what you have paid in . 

the rich don't benefit as they are already rich and old and about to snuff it  -  but the younger beneficeries WILL benefit  - likewise car owners won't benefit. 

whats the point of having a car if you use the bus pass to save on parking (and i've heard)  wear and tear ,and petrol ?

She is going to cut the OAP and give it to the german Supermarket owners when she cuts to corporation tax.

state pension age could go up to 80 tbf  -  most folk pretty healthy at that age these days  - plenty of life in the old sods - and work is much ;lighter than the olden days - no sacks of coal to lug around

May 18, 2017 -- 4:37PM, akabula wrote:

She's cutting the payment to those OAPs that have a reasonable income.My pensions take me above the average wage yet I get £200 heating allowance.You think I should?

My God!!!!! I thought akabula was in his twenties, and immature for that, I am genuinely stunned.

Once the uk leave Europe it will cause unemployment ,and this will result in a domino effect.
people who are unemployed will be forced to join the british army and conscription will be introduced otherwise they will lose their giro.The Army will need all these new soldiers to protect the uk borders because leaving the EU will cause a fresh charge of millions of refugees fleeing wars to go to England and Europe will be only to delighted to solve their own problem by allowing it to happen.
And that's only the start of it.
Theresa is planning for Brexit hence the idea of low corporate tax to attract German supermarkets and German businesses to move to England.

Ireland will suffer most,and it will not surprise me if France and Italy combined with the backing of Europe will block the med sea to stop migrants crossing into Europe leaving them with only the british isles and Ireland for them to travel to.

Coach Spot On < Plus Mobs hitting Pension age who have hardly Done anywork anyway ,if you have not worked a certain amount of years you should get No state Benefits ,Plus Johnny Foreigner who has done no work should be Deported, no right to any benefits Because the State has been paying his Contributions for the Last 20 Years ..They have had a Good run ,Shift them IMO .

ceaae a get dla av got sore legs

casemoney 20 May 17 02:20 Joined: 04 Aug 06 | Topic/replies: 17,343 | Blogger: casemoney's blog
Coach Spot On < Plus Mobs hitting Pension age who have hardly Done anywork anyway ,if you have not worked a certain amount of years you should get No state Benefits ,Plus Johnny Foreigner who has done no work should be Deported, no right to any benefits Because the State has been paying his Contributions for the Last 20 Years ..They have had a Good run ,Shift them IMO .

what about a 45 year old who gave 20 years

There was this old boy sitting in the pub supping a pint and looking at a pic of Jeremy Corbyn in the Daily Mirror.

The old boy sighs and says aloud, whatever is gonna happen if Jeremy Corbyn gets in.
A chap standing at the bar retorts, you must be a supporter reading the Mirror..what don't you like about Jeremy.

The old boy says, well, I am a staunch Labour man, but the way I see him, he's a 'Post Turtle'. Not being familiar with the term, the chap asks the old boy what is a Post Turtle??

Well, the old boy says..when you are driving down a country road and you see a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a Post Turtle.

The old boy seeing the puzzled look on the chap's face, explained... well, you know he didn't get up there by himself, he doesn't belong up there, he doesn't know what to do while he's up there, he's elevated beyond his ability to function, and you just wonder what dumb arse put him up there to begin with.

English pensioners paying for Scottish pensioners heating bills....

a real vote winner

state pension age could go up to 80 tbf  -  most folk pretty healthy at that age these days  - plenty of life in the old sods - and work is much ;lighter than the olden days - no sacks of coal to lug around

So true. You used to get your pension at 65 because if you managed to get to 65 you were clapped out and hadn't got long anyway

The 'doddery dears' would probably still vote for May cos they can't stand Corbyn

ah, people are not living longer.

they die at pretty much the same age as they did 150 years ago.

1971 is correct forget all this shoite about people living longer ,when you get to 60 and going to a funeral everyweek and hear of someone you no dying through the grapevine ,you,ll realise nothing has changed,
and even before anyone has had a chance to live long enough to test the living longer theory,companies with big pension defecits are using evidence to say not to far in the future people will be dying earlier, so taking the pressure off their pension schemes,
how can news bulletins spend 29 mins everyday telling us about obesity epeidemic ,diabetes ,alcohol dependency,social care crisis ,nhs,crisis,no money for anything,then spend the last 30 seconds telling us all we,re going to live longer and be healthy for longer

If anyone comes to live in England illegally they can be deported back to mainland Europe.
This may have to apply to our Irish European friends also, post Brexit.

If they are European then it is not possible for them to be British and have British rights to live and work in Britain , post Brexit.
Who could deny that?

I have heard many of them say they wish to remain European, but how many say they wish to remain British?
I don't know.

These workers of today are going to get a shock when they retire. They simply don't realise what they've lost.

The pensioners of today are benefitting from final salary schemes, most of these have been ended.

The pensioners of today are benefitting from private pensions. The dividend tax and low interest rates have made these very poor value and simply a waste of money for most.

The pensioners of today are benefitting from SERPS and the Second State Pensions. Probably worth two thirds as much again as the basic state pension to someone on average wages? 

If the workers of today have never know poverty they'd better ready for it.

There will be few happily retired workers at working class level living the life of Riley when they retire.

We have been living beyond our means for generations.

Governments continually borrowing more to satisfy the squealing mass of voters   "We want more ,and we want it now! "

The debt can just gets kicked continually down the road - "the kids in the playground can pay it all back "

We are ALL to blame , nobody wants to give up anything themselves - we are all feel somehow entitled to our lifestyle. Get somebody else to pay.

We can't even get close to balancing the annual books let alone paying back anything of the  trillions we already owe.

that steve webb is a magician introduced the flat rate pension and intodays terms any younger people eventually getting enough qualifying years will get a maximum of 155 instead of 200 plus under the old system and people were cheering as though they,d been given something,all this because people didnt understand the state pension,2nd state pen and serps and the government and mr webb just played on their ignorance to introduce a worse and unfairer system than the one they replaced,like i say the mans a magician instead of been sacked got parliamantarian of the year

Means testing OAPs couldn't be simpler.

Ask the HMRC if they pay income tax.

Tax their winter fuel allowance at the rate they pay income tax.

At least then the Govt get back some money.


This chatter about 'i've paid in all my life' is plain ignorance.

The tax and NI system was never designed to pay for people living decades into retirement.

As others have said on here, many of the baby boomers are the wealthiest in society. To give them tons of free stuff is foolish. The sums of how this country runs itself don't add up. Anyone able to contribute more should do so.

After the baby boomers have left us. And their pensions that they worked hard for have ended. What will those that follow get in the form of pensions?

It's right there above, at today's rates £155 a week. That's your lot.

Very few final salary schemes.
No private pensions with generous annuity rates.
No Second State pension or SERPS.
No retirement at 60-65.

Enjoy your retirement - especially the ones here who begrudge pensioners a comfy last decade or so of life. 
Because it's the one you are fighting for.

Life's a BITCH and then you Die

If a country can't finance its health service through those in work there is something wrong with the fundamentals and taking money from pensioners is not going to solve that.
Pensioners left school at 14 or perhaps 12 and spent their lives working, it was a very long road .
Now we are lucky if we can get people out of university before they are 30, and they spend very few years working, its miraculous they expect a health service as well.

The labour movement after making giant strides after the war, and wasn't doing too badly up until Labour were elected in 1997. Is now going backwards far quicker than anyone ever thought likely.
And Labour are as much to blame for its decline as the Tories - more in fact.

Remember this Myleene Klass vs Milliband on the 'Mansion tax'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdKK3ferxmE

Now 'Middle England' says its okay to cash in the housing market to fund NHS/care.

have the tories ever gave - they always seem to be stripping the assets.

build up your own people to compete against the world. Why hamper your own people.
free education(i had that) it's now gone. free NHS( i had that, according to Fionavon i'll need it later in life when they put me in a rubber room) they're selling bits off now.
i had new roads and new towns. Not getting those?
they sold off all the utilities. the uk doesn't need to be invaded, it's owned by foreign interests.

labour advert with Fry and Laurie in the 90's - we will get rid of tax havens on youtube.

broken promise. the scandal from two years has been forgotten already.
the Panama papers, tip of the iceberg.

state pension age could go up to 80 tbf  -  most folk pretty healthy at that age these days  - plenty of life in the old sods - and work is much ;lighter than the olden days - no sacks of coal to lug around

Sorry Coachbuster I'm approaching 60. Went to a wedding reception Saturday, a bit of the old McFadden and Whitehead "Ain't no stopping us now" came on. I still fu cking ache from throwing a few Dad moves on the floor I won't make old bones which is handy I could do with a good kip

I never had you as a Dancing Queen Dan

free education(i had that) it's now gone

Just a reminder that it was a Labour government (backed by the votes of Labour MP's, Blairite or not) that voted for the introduction of tuition fees in 1998. let's not allow the truth to interfere with sentiment.

It was.
But it'll take another one to remove them again.

At least they're TRYING to repair some of Blair's (and Thatcher's) awful mistakes.

Theresa May is getting dementia on her own 'dementia tax' proposals by forgetting to mention the caps

It does look like labour will promise the earth,uncosted and always increasing to get into power.How anyone can trust that shower of shyte is beyond me.

Free education in Scotland came at a cost.
14,000 Scots refused entry to Scottish Unis because of the quota system, ie they can charge English students so cap the places for Scots.
140,000 college places were also sacrificed.

Akabula has nailed the law of unintended consequences:
The price mechanism is a great way of rationing something that is limited - not everyone can go to university after all.
So in England people who value a university education at more than the price will go
And the university has to treat the students like paying customers

Same principle applies to tolls - if a bridge is built to take say 100 million crossings in its lifetime, then stick a price on it which means people will pay to cross it when its worth more than the cost of the toll to get across ( or half that if sharing with one other ).

And if said bridge is paid for by tolls and you promise to stop charging tolls once it's paid for, don't renege on the promise and instead increase the toll.
(See Dartford)

As for universities. Until the mid 80s when all polytechnics, colleges and public urinals became Universities, in a bid to manipulate jobless figures for a couple of years.
Most people didn't go to them. Now it's expected!

^^Public urinal colleges.

I had to laugh at that, they knocked some bogs down were I used to live and built some houses in their place.

The locals called them public urinal cottages.

It reminded me of that.

You don't get many public toilets these days. Are we better at keeping it in now?