Trouble With Waterworks!

My sympathies.Although you allude to it in your finishing sentence I think the chit chat surgery collective may need a tad more information regarding your symptoms AP.

You might have to pee into a bucket with a toy helicopter inside it. Well, that's what it looks like. The faster you pee, the faster the blades spin. This is recorded on a graph and the nurses waiting outside the curtain will cheer you on. (They place bets on it.) That is called a flow test.

Then you will be asked to lie on your back while a greased up, freezing cold, metal thingy is run over your lower belly. This is a sonic scan to make sure you've fully emptied your bladder and not kept some back for later.

You may or may not now be taken for a cystoscopy. Pray you're not.

This is where you lie on your back on a very narrow table, naked from the waist down. You, not the table. Several nurses will now stare at you until the surgeon and an apprentice butcher come in. While you say hello to the great man, a cold, wet sponge will wipe you down.

A large TV will appear at your side and the apprentice will take a long piece of metal that looks like a car aerial and insert it into your meatus (look it up). By the way, if you've gone private, the aerial is flexible, if not then it's not.

Everyone will stare at the screen as your innermost secrets are displayed. The fun part is when it gets to your prostate gland. They revolve it to get a good look. It might feel like a firework has exploded inside your @rse. Don't worry, that's normal.

Then it moves on into your bladder. They will not be pleased with you if your bladder is not empty. They'll have to extract their Cortina aerial so you can pee again. A nurse will hold a jug to catch the urine, blood, bits of skin, etc, while about a dozen people watch you.

Then it starts again.

When you get home, you might find urination painful for a day or so.

Good luck.

They won't let you go until you've peed - it's like peeing razor blades.

Oh my God, I wish I never asked!!!!

I always wondered why urology doctors have always got a broad grin on their boats.

I've had a cystoscopy done without general anaesthetic, just some gel shoved down my japs eye before the scope.

I was in horrible pain and discomfort for about 10 minutes and wouldnt wish it on my worst enemy.

And after the procedure was done, they told me they didn't find anything wrong with me.

After all the pain I experienced, I wished they did.

I hope your experience is better than mine Aunty.

I nearly passed out  whilst reading Gallivantar's post...good luck AP

You know that saying - you have nothing to fear but fear itself?

Well that's a right load of bollox that is.

Depending on results, they may have you back for a biopsy, where they insert a large instrument in your back passage and fire needles into your prostate. Nothing to worry about as long as you don't panic.

AP - as stated above what are ur symptoms?  Depending on those, that will will drive what tests u need.  u could have frequent urination, weak flow, difficult starting, frequent visits in the middle of the night to the loo, passing blood,  PSA is above average, etc.  All these factors will drive the tests u need

Just read this thread start to finish ...

AP ....sounds like you should insist on some kind of anasthetic

Nothing to worry about as long as you don't panic.

or f@rt.

which hospital are you attending ?

you can learn a lot on the nhs website ...... http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Cancer-of-the-bladder/Pages/Symptoms.aspx

Good Luck !

Most tumours are treatable.

GL Aunty

Gallivanter 13 May 17 19:51  



You might have to pee into a bucket with a toy helicopter inside it. Well, that's what it looks like. The faster you pee, the faster the blades spin. This is recorded on a graph and the nurses waiting outside the curtain will cheer you on. (They place bets on it.) That is called a flow test.

Then you will be asked to lie on your back while a greased up, freezing cold, metal thingy is run over your lower belly. This is a sonic scan to make sure you've fully emptied your bladder and not kept some back for later.

You may or may not now be taken for a cystoscopy. Pray you're not.

This is where you lie on your back on a very narrow table, naked from the waist down. You, not the table. Several nurses will now stare at you until the surgeon and an apprentice butcher come in. While you say hello to the great man, a cold, wet sponge will wipe you down.

A large TV will appear at your side and the apprentice will take a long piece of metal that looks like a car aerial and insert it into your meatus (look it up). By the way, if you've gone private, the aerial is flexible, if not then it's not.

Everyone will stare at the screen as your innermost secrets are displayed. The fun part is when it gets to your prostate gland. They revolve it to get a good look. It might feel like a firework has exploded inside your @rse. Don't worry, that's normal.

Then it moves on into your bladder. They will not be pleased with you if your bladder is not empty. They'll have to extract their Cortina aerial so you can pee again. A nurse will hold a jug to catch the urine, blood, bits of skin, etc, while about a dozen people watch you.

Then it starts again.

When you get home, you might find urination painful for a day or so.

Good luck

Don't worry after the 5th or 6th time you get used it!!

Well, it's past midnight and the unquiet dead/not-quite dead are around.

Scientifically speaking I've read vast quantities of reports about prostate cancer. What sticks most is that medical intervention is statistically a bad idea. Surgery often leads to incontinence/impotence. Most prostate cancers are so slow-growing you'll be dead before they bugger you.

Remember tonsillectomies? God, they were fashionable - ripped out left, right and centre. To no great effect.

I think AP has been tricked into starring in a porn movie.

I'm a monstrous pervert aka, but I think I may give that one a miss.

bodil is correct. Many tests regarding Prostate are invasive and completely unnecessary( especially biopsies) and often lead to further complications, worse than if left alone.
Seek proper advice, from more than one medical professional before you embark on any test and/ or treatment.

Just for the record, the problem became apparent about six weeks ago.

I realised that the urge to pee came on rapidly, and to the point that I had to make a dash for the bathroom.

Fortunately it has never happened when I was out and about.

I always sit down at home, as it is civilised and, having made the dash, it was pretty much a none event with a stop start situation!

I was asked to produce a sample and for this I needed to stand.

What became obvious was a much more constant flow, and my lady doctor thought that she could feel the prostate perhaps swollen,
so that when seated it would compress and weaken/interrupt the flow.

As for needing to go often, I don't think this is the case, even though I do drink a fair amount.

As for during the night, I will often wake a couple of times, and have a drink, and go to the bathroom, just to avoid needing to go later.

Also I am feeling that things are getting back to normal, day by day, and I'm wondering if I may just have had an infection,
although my doctor didn't pick up on that!

Will report back tomorrow afternoon with an update, and thanks all for your concern.....

It's possible that its a small kidney stone(s) travelling along your urethra that is causing the sudden urge to pee.

I can also vouch for the horribleness of the cystoscopy. The worst bit is the insertion - the rest is not too bad in comparison (although in my case, once they reached the bladder they filled it with water so the camera could have a good look around which was weird and uncomfortable).

You have my sympathies and best wishes......

How old are you AP ?
Doctor told me, that when you reach c60, your prostate gets bigger  and presses on the bladder thus making you want to lee more often. And making you get up a couple of times in te night.
All perfectly normal, and not a sign of cancer.

Do you have annual blood test for levels of PSA. ? If so, have they increased significantly ?
If you don't have this test, I suggest you do. It's a good measure in indicating if there's an issue.

Thanks Facts....

Age....I'm closer to 100 than 40...

I have regular blood tests for other issues and, for whatever reason, I never heard of PSA so had to research it.

Will have to speak to my doctor, as there's no way I'm going to put myself through the obvious trauma, that could be inflicted on me tomorrow,
and for no reason!

I also find it difficult to believe, that someone with a finger up your botty can feel anything!

Armed with the valuable information from my good buddies on here, I am going to cancel tomorrow as, either way, it's not going to make any
difference for a few weeks.

I say that with some confidence, as I said before, that things seem to have settled down!

Diabetes or an enlarged prostrate can be two causes. I got checked for both as I kept waking up at night wanting to pee. Turned out to be sleep apnea where I'd stop breathing I'd wake up and my brain kept saying its morning. Sleep with a breathing contraption and now I sleep sound as a pound

A P seriously you'd be stark raving bonkers to cancel appointment based on comments on here ....spk to your doctor first

OPERATION
I had a TURP operation at the end of 2012 at age 62.
It reduces the size of your prostate.
For a few years before that I was having trouble.
I had a frequent urge to urinate, then passing very small amounts.
The prostate was large, and preventing the urethra (pee pipe) opening.
One feature was getting up to urinate about 6/8 times a night.
I was out on my feet for months from lack of sleep, almost unable to function.
When my bet on Solemia at 75s in the 2012 Arc came in I was fast asleep at 16:30 in the afternoon.

My mother is in a nursing home about 50 kms away.
When I was going to visit her (usually at 14:00) I would have nothing to eat or drink that day.
I needed to go to the toilet before the drive to the nursing home, and when I arrived, and before I set off on the return journey, and when I got home.

Another problem was the urge to pee was almost constant.
I had a prostate biopsy at the start of 2012 about a year before the TURP operation.
They gave me pills to slow the urge to pee.
A benefit was it improved my live poker results (didn’t need to leave the table every ten minutes).
But the pills were no longer enough to mask the problem.
I had the flow tests mentioned above.  The results convinced them I needed the operation.

Every six months since I have a blood test to check my PSA.  The next one is at the end of this month.

SEPSIS
Because I was returning high PSA numbers they said I needed a prostate biopsy to check for cancer.
I had a prostate biopsy in November 2015 that almost killed me.
They take 12 samples from the prostate through the back passage.
That night I felt I had flu symptoms.  That got worse, fever, sweating, falling down, unbalanced, confusion.
I took the pills they gave me.  It took me 15 minutes to go downstairs for water.
It took me about three hours to eat a banana.
I was unable to lift the duvet to get out of bed.

Next thing I knew it was the middle of the following night about 3 am.
I knew I had to get to hospital but was afraid to leave the house in the dark in case I fell.
It took half an hour to change the sheets on the bed.  I had to lie down three times, very high heart rate, laboured breathing.
I live alone, and didn’t have a phone.
At midday the next day I had a bath and found large purple/black patches on my hip and below my knee.
I was afraid of drowning, and my balance was nil.  I let the water out before trying to get out of the bath.

There is a primary school near my house.
I waited until after school lunchhour to set out for hospital.  I didn’t want to frighten the children.
My legs muscles were stiff/locked and my right leg was dragging.
Going down the footpath I was close to the wall in case I was going to fall.
It was 700 yards to the taxi rank.
After 200 yards I got to the main road but couldn’t go further, heart rate sky high.
I was hanging on to the wall when I saw a taxi and waved at it.
He stopped 20 yards past me.  I got to the back of the taxi and worked my way along the side of it.
I couldn’t pull the door open.  He opened it, looked at me, and asked me had I had a heart attack.
At the accident and emergency dept I waited half an hour before assessment.
In that half hour I started to shake uncontrollably, arms, legs, body, but was told to wait my turn.
I was in hospital for seven days.  One permanent result is eye problems, about 15 black floaters in my vision.
I had SEPSIS (they never said what it was) and about a 25% chance of death when I got to A&E (my research).

I’m putting this up here to alert others.

Aunty Post 14 May 17 09:59

I always sit down at home, as it is civilised

Now stop right there, mister. Did your pa tell you nothing?

A man can't fully void while seated. The more bends you put in a pipe, the more chance of a blockage.

I was asked to produce a sample and for this I needed to stand.

What became obvious was a much more constant flow, and my lady doctor thought that she could feel the prostate perhaps swollen, so that when seated it would compress and weaken/interrupt the flow.]

See?

You said yourself that you suspected an infection. The urine in a healthy man's bladder is pretty much sterile. However if that urine is allowed to go stale, there's a good chance of getting a urinary tract infection. Most infections can be cured with a course of pills.

I didn't mean to scare you off from seeing an expert. Sorry about that. Go tomorrow and see what number you can score on the helicopter. The sonic scan is cold but not painful. If you've complete voided and the finger test by an expert finds no problems, you won't have to make a television appearance.

Thanks posy....yes I will be speaking to her in the morning.
We have a good relationship that goes back to 1986, when we were both young....LOL

kincsem.....reading things, like here, makes you realise how fortunate others can be, with conditions that are quite trivial in comparison!

kincsem, you had a terrible experience. You were lucky to survive it. I would have hauled myself into the school and gotten a teacher to call an ambulance. The eye floaters do tend to go away after a few years or at least become less noticable. They kind of stick to the eye wall when they eventually bump into it.

If you live alone, you should keep a phone with you at all times. I live in a lonely place for part of every year and I've kept a phone right with me ever since I broke an ankle and nobody stopped by for three days. I was a half-mile from the house and I finally decided to crawl home on the second night. I got to the front stoop at sun up and a buddy came over to visit just as I cussed my way up the steps.

I want a supply of the drugs they gave me
The "stop the urge to pee" pills .... I cashed five live poker tournaments in a row.

The drugs the gave me in hospital gave me hallucinations.
I didn't sleep for about four days.  With my eyes open I was ok.
When I closed my eyes I had visions.

Looking down on a conifer forest on a hill from a few hundred feet I see a man with long hair and beard made from conifers.  He is the same height of the trees, and his hair and beard flowing in the wind.  He walks through the trees.
I see another forest like the one above.  The trees turn to deer who run down the hill, and at the bottom of the hill they become birds and take off in a giant flock.
Thousands of arrows shoot out of the ground and fly around in the air never landing.
A large navy blue lake full of sawmill logs that are speeding around at about twenty times normal rate.
From above I see thousands of people waking along a road.  I think it is an army, then as I come down closer I think it might be refugees.
Lower still I see men, women, children in medieval peasant clothes talking and laughing as if they are going to a festival or market.

This went on for days.  the nurses said why don't you close your eyes and try to sleep.  I couldn't.  It was like a continuous film of bizarre events.
When I mention it to one of the younger doctors he said one was the drugs was a "jungle juice".

That sounds like a terrible experience, kincsem. As Gallivanter says, get yourself a mobile phone. You can get a basic one for a few quid at Argos, no need for a smartphone.
I've been on the "Prostate Pathway" for six years now and had a number of biopsies. Fortunately, the prescribed pills keep me urinating adequately so no need tor TURP operation yet.
I had a friend who had a prostatectomy because of cancer and contracted sepsis while on chemotherapy. Unfortunately, he died. You had a very lucky escape.

I had a Flexible Cystoscopy not so long ago. When i wazzed in the bucket for the Flow Rate Test the bleddy brains of the contraption printed out my result 1 second after i had just started

After that they had me drinking like a fish, but i just couldn't go again . In the end the specialist agreed with me that my flow rate was fine when i told him i can still "hose" those smelly blocks at a rate of knots along the trough in a public toilet

This is the order of things on the day at the hospital when i went for my Flexible Cystoscopy..

(1) waz a test sample, wait for them to check it, if they find any infection they won't go any further on the day (that is what i was told on the day).

(2) Get changed into the hospital pyjama bottoms

(3) Get called into the room with the specialist, a nurse and someone who just stands at the bottom of the treatment table watching things.

(4) Specialist lubes up a gloved hand and tries to shove you off the treatment table whilst checking your Prostate.

(5) Specialist then injects a bit of anaesthetic gel down the end of your little chap.

(6) Specialist then shoves the Cystoscope down the end of your little chap, the nurse then starts to squeeze a bag of saline type solution to fill your bladder up, when it is full the specialist will check the inside of your bladder and the nurse will ask you if you want to look at the monitor.

(7) Go to another room for the Ultrasound scan of your Kidneys, Bladder etc.

(8) Go to another room for the waz flow rate test.

(9) Quick chat with the specialist regarding his/her findings.

(10) Done. 


One tip for you, don't jump on the treatment table with gusto like i did. The front of the hospital pyjama bottoms are wide open........i can still see the woman standing at the bottom of the table, her face when my balls were airborne, deary me

I did buy a cheap phone.  I never carry it with me.  It is on the desk beside my PC.
Another problem after the sepsis was three month of bladder infections.
They gave me pills for a week.  Cured.  Then a week later it started again.
When they changed the pills and gave a months supply it was permanently cured.
It cost a fortune in doctor visits, about six visits.

This getting old lark ain't no fun

The worst part is waiting with your wedding tackle exposed and several nurses looking down at it.

"Is it cold outside?" from one.
"Must be," from another.
"Certainly looks like it," from the innocent looking girl with glasses.

It's a man's life as an outpatient.

Don't worry about a stiffy with all those lovely nurses, it will shrivel to the size of a peanut. Had a female good looking doc check mine when I was 18 at the height of my virility and it went to the size of a chipolata

Good luck AP, hope all goes well.

Swap it for The Electric Company and Kings Cross Station

My dad had wee problems for a long, long  time. 

He constantly needed to go and when he had to go he had to go immediately.  The doctors and hospitals did nothing that made any difference.  He was also diagnosed with lung cancer at a very early stage about twenty years before he died and was advised that he needed to nothing about it as he would probably die from something else, which he did.  He died from sepsis in a hospital where he was taken from a nursing home. 

My dad attended about five nursing homes and none of them were very good, only okay.  The last one where he was when he contracted sepsis was a BUPA home and again not very good.  He might have survived if the sepsis had been noticed earlier.

My experience with nursing homes  is that you are better off at home having someone to live with you, maybe a cutie who would look after you in exchange for the rent!

Had a Flexi Cyst Myself in March Despite the Urge to Pish when it Goes in I felt very Little Discomfort ,Was a Little sore After  ...

Also had the Ultra sound  ..

Had a CT scan a week Later ..

Unfortunately in my Case I was diagnosed with Bladder Cancer in march (flexi found a tumour)  had to under go a Turbt,  Which is a Rigid Cystocopy under anesthestic, to remove the Tumour from My bladder ,(a bag of Chemo is then put into the Bladder and left for a couple of Hours,drips out through a catheter  )that was 3 weeks after the 1st visit . I was Lucky they caught it Early ,Sadly Although my surgeon got the lot the Re occurance Rate is 80 % , Im back for another Flexi in July ,and Every 6 months for prob the next 10 years ,a small price to pay TBH if it had not been Caught Early it is Lethal .

I passed Blood AP  that was the sign and is the Main sign of Bladder cancer

I had also not realised how much the Pish pressure had fallen and was actually pishing like a horse following the op

If you have not Passed blood AP you should be Fine, quite possibly a Stone , Just like to Add to anyone reading This
if you See blood in ur Urine GO TO THE DOCTOR  URGENTLY ,EVEN IF IT DOESNT RE OCCUR the Visit will Probably save you an awful lot of Grief if not your Life ..

Casemoney, I'm sorry for your problems and I'm very glad you're on the mend. Keep up the visits for the ten years and good luck.

My own tale of woe is a little different. I self-catheterize every second day to rip open the scarring caused by urethral strictures. (The scars never stop growing, so I'll be doing this for life.) Most days, I don't get any bleeding but some days I do.

For the last couple of months or so I've had occasional bleeding even on the days when I don't catheterize. The worst of it is, the blood is brown. I know that means old blood. Maybe I damaged the prostate with the catheter or maybe not. For financial reasons, I can't trouble the British NHS any further so I'm holding off (geddit?) until early June when I return to the land of the free where I have health insurance.

For those interested, I didn't get the strictures by doing anything that was fun. Quite the opposite.

Okay, who's next up for the Crying Game?

Im very Very Lucky Gall ,One My partner Forced me to the Docs ,the Blood had stopped I thought Perhaps a Burst Blood Vessel.

Two, Early Stage although  a Medium  grade cancer   . the 80% return Rate not Good

But 1 in 2 will suffer some form of cancer in their Lifetime ,Hopefully that's mine out of the Way, well at least for the next 10

Years while I am being Monitored ,  BC is a Silent killer,  I joined a private Forum on Facebook Some Tragic cases on their

If 1 person on here take my advice Regarding Passing Blood or passes on the Message it will have been worth Posting on here

  Sounds  Dreadful what you have to go through Gall . And you get people Going around Moaning about Petty Shyte  ..

casemoney 14 May 17 22:03 

Im very Very Lucky Gall ,One My partner Forced me to the Docs

At first I read that as "One of my partners."

I thought, how come he gets two or more and I don't get any?

Good luck, fella. It's easier when somebody gives a damn. You have the added benefit of any (unlikely I hope) recurrence being picked up quickly, either by the sawbones or your partner.

annie 20:07

My experience with nursing homes  is that you are better off at home having someone to live with you, maybe a cutie who would look after you in exchange for the rent!

it's a bonus if when you pass on they are so upset they fail to keep up Uni and drop out.

My gosh,,,,some truly harrowing tales on here!

No blood or anything untoward for me, so will just have to hope for the best this afternoon!

The nurses will certainly have a good laugh, as my little chap is almost the same size as my navel, due to an umbilical hernia!

My gosh,,,,some truly harrowing tales on here!

No blood or anything untoward for me, so will just have to hope for the best this afternoon!

The nurses will certainly have a good laugh, as my little chap is almost the same size as my navel, due to an umbilical hernia!

Shaking finger syndrome!

Good luck today, Aunty Post!

Remember, we'll all be thinking about you. As you get on that table with nothing between your shirt and your socks, we'll be thinking about you.

Feel free to send a selfie!

I just trimmed my bush!

Times like this when you need a good woman.....

No don't send a selfie !  I like to see my dinner just the once ta

Good Luck AP

15:45 is the time.

I actually feel really sick. Too much Gin and vino yesterday!

I can't remember having a hangover for at least 30 years.....

Hope it goes well, Aunty Post

Good people...the power of forumites saved the day!

I was sick with worry after hearing all the harrowing experiences!

It was all very civilised and private.

Didn't get to pee on a helicopter, but just a funnel into a jug!

Just doctor and me for exploration.

A sonic probe on the prostate area, and what I thought was an extremely long finger up my botty, which was some kind of camera.

Result....flow a little slow and prostate slightly swollen but declared as nothing to worry about./

In and out in twenty minutes, and so relieved.

I'm one of the lucky ones, for a change....

Don't know what you were worried about, AP. We told you it was a doddle.

Gallivanter

So pleased you are okay, AP

So you didn't have to chase a helicopter drone around the room trying to pee on it with dozens of student nurses observing and making comments.
Very disappointing for all your fellow forumites.

Great news AP ;must be a HUGE relief

Fu ck me having read through this I think the kindest thing would be to shoot the lot of us

We will be Gone Soon Enough UFC

Good News AP well done ,I aint looking Forward to July is all I know

Does it seem more people are being diagnosed with cancer these days ? In the past it seemed only smokers got it.

Is it food production, mobile phones/masts or what ?

Admittedly success rates are up.

Well done AP !

Perhaps Air Pollution is a Factor ? The air in Some Cities cant be doing People Much Good .

People are living longer,they are the ones in later life developing cancers..

Medical advances mean cases of cancer are identified  more easily and earlier.

Christ on a bike!
I'm yet to hit fifty, and this is what I've got to look forward too

I hope all of you with broken bits stay healthy and bravo for sharing. Could help a twit like me someday.

Good news AP happy for you mate I had a near death experience a few years ago, my answer put on four stones would of been ok if I was anorexic trying to get the weight off but to many curries so little time

Don't know what the fuss is! Any problems, I go to the local Body Shop to get a new part! Much quicker than the NHS as no waiting list and the assistants are usually better looking than nurses. ps- If a man lives long enough he will develop prostate cancer. Many men die WITH prostate cancer than FROM it. Always be aware, but no exceptional need to be prostrate about your prostate!

Leading causes of death in men in England and Wales 2012

Heart disease (37,423 men)
Lung cancer (16,698 men)
Emphysema/bronchitis (14,378 men)
Stroke (14,116 men)
Dementia inc. Alzheimer's (13,984 men)
Flu/pneumonia (11,063 men)
Prostate cancer (9,698 men)
Bowel cancer (7,841 men)
Lymphoid cancer (6,301 men)
Throat cancer (4,603 men)

I thought you were in favour of CUTTING, Dr Slicer.

The survival rates for cancer are good, unfortunately the figures include all the easy to cure cancers like skin cancer which are on the increase.
That makes the figures look better than they really are.

The survival rates for the more serious types of cancers are still appalling.

I am certainly in favour of cutting, in the right circumstances. As far as prostate is concerned, I am aware of many men who have undergone prostate surgery, where the side effects of the surgery (incontinence, erectile dysfunction) have caused more distress than the original condition. There are current advances in the treatment of prostate cancer which do not involve surgery. Also a PSA reading may be unreliable. Fortunately, at my old age, I am not showing any symptoms, so I guess the Grim Reaper will have to try something else.

Dr C-throat cancer and lung cancer survival rates are low and are lagging well behind those of other cancers unfortunately.

Yes Slicer, smoking and drinking have a lot to answer for.

Leading causes of death in men in England and Wales 2012

Heart disease (37,423 men)
Lung cancer (16,698 men)
Emphysema/bronchitis (14,378 men)
Stroke (14,116 men)
Dementia inc. Alzheimer's (13,984 men)
Flu/pneumonia (11,063 men)
Prostate cancer (9,698 men)
Bowel cancer (7,841 men)
Lymphoid cancer (6,301 men)
Throat cancer (4,603 men)

Think I'll take Flu/pneumonia

The day I can't take a dump and wipe my own ar$e...........is the day I no longer want to be about

Unfortunately when you reached that stage there is very little you can do about it.

Spot On Baron U can be Stage 4 not Know it Go Docs weeks to Live ,the Least of Worries will be Shyteing

Death by pneumonia victims are usually old . It ' covers' a multitude of sins'
If you're very old and are ill( with whatever ) and bed ridden, the risk of congestion of fluid on the lungs, is very very high.
Patients death certificate states pneumonia - because that  got there first !

This is turning into a very depressing thread.

We're all doooooommmmmeeeedddd

My wonderful brother who is 55 had a near fatal heart attack in January and he has just been diagnosed as having Lupus, his beautiful wife has got M.S. her Mum has got Alzheimer's and last week their dog died. Life sucks sometimes.

Slippy/ guys...... we're all cranky, but really is this not the time for support/help....I'm as guilty s anyone.

Sorry to Hear Slip Just seems to Get worse the Older we Get ,but 55 etc is no Age