Terror suspect KNOWN to Swedish plod.....

What can they do?

I'm sure Police know 95% of all IRA dissidents but they can do feck all unless they commit a crime.

Big Brother may need to be a necessity imo. Tag everyone and then no human rights can be abused.

It is one cult where it comes from there are several million of them in the uk

Absolute cults!

I've just said; tag the feckers! Difficult times mean difficult decisions.

We've had "It's too expensive to keep surveillance on em all"  "We haven't got the man power"


Well tag them!!!! Ya know, the ones that are KNOWN to them.......

Would tagging have stopped this or the London nutter?

Yep; they would have known he'd been and hired a weapon.

As for the Swedish one he robbed the fecking thing so yes they would have stopped him

No matter what you do they will find a way. The stopped knives ect on planes so they made shoe bombs, they can't hijack planes so they hijack lorries.

Human rights will have to be affected as part of the solution but you can't single out a religion so it's one in, all in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNJRyMHdGB8



They should listen to Britney...

So we all sit on our arses eh Ovalman? Isn't that what they've been doing for years?

Well besides what Gruppenführer Meerkat did..

I'm asking for solutions. You tried one, I knocked it back although it is a partial solution if everyone is tagged.

Should we have another holocaust? What about the decent Muslims that hold British values dear?

There are no easy solutions.

I think you're stretching it calling Guinness dear, every pun intended.

Boxy; the coont must be a raving loon..

Tagging innocents is discriminatory don't you understand? You can't pick and choose our values.

I'm asking you for solutions, you have a point but don't jump down my throat for knocking you back.

everybody is known. ffs. there's cameras on every street corner.

they have yer national insurance no. medical files. yer shoe size from ebay.

they have everyone in a box.

Would you wear a tag Guinness?

I'm not muslim or KNOWN

Now while you're thinking about a reply, have a read of this, again! Just to help ya oooot..


How about everyone they KNOW being feckin tagged eh?


Now ye can apologise to me for being a manboob...

Try putting it to your MP then to get is passed in government and see what he says.

I think your idea is BRILLIANT with just one or 2 little problems (and you say I'm thick)

Jeez now a bible crusher joins in...

"they have everyone in a box". There's a nasty rumour going around that they (someone) even has a Fox in one. Kinell.

Never had a run in with you G2D but there are no reasoned arguments from you nor sensible answers.

This is Chit Chat after all.

Yes you have, or your other name has. Only 2 peeps have called me DEAR on ere and you're the 2nd. I told you i never forget.

How can i give sensible answers to someone who won't acknowledge my points and tries to deflect everything? You have no idea how to deal with me because you are a 1st class halfwit. Not because i give no "reasoned arguments" , i put you right, i showed ya up to be an ill-informed eejit and you have the temerity to blame moi!

Until you answer what i have said you will not receive another word from me..

Tagging don't stop these latest incidents .

So a guy about 3,000th down the list hires an SUV , seriously would they be springing into action on that ?

The Swedish one just hijacked the truck

What is your question for me to answer?

And how do you know it doesn't? Has it been tried? You talk about it in the past tense ffs..


Another bright spark. So you read the Express eh tobes?


http://www.express.co.uk/

Now ye can apologise to me for being a manboob.

You have made various statements on here about me. All because you misread or forgot what i said originally. YOU asked me various questions on that basis. Now be a man and apologise...

guinness - you're as soft as margarine. Engage in conversation without the pretence of offence.

You're right to suggest tagging. Decent idea. I personally would challenge Islam at EVERY level and if 'they' take offence I'll pay more tax to get them on planes to a sh*thole of their choosing.

Who do you think I am G2D?

I want a reasoned argument, all you have given me is knock backs and accusations. Nothing of substance.

I can't with eejits, injera. I do not suffer fools gladly as everyone who knows me will testify..

Human rights will have to be affected as part of the solution but you can't single out a religion so it's one in, all in.

Should we have another holocaust?

What about the decent Muslims that hold British values dear?


Read the above half-wit...



I really dunno why i bother.. What a feckin lemon..

What's in the Express ?

You talk about it in the past tense ffs..


If we can't point to any attack it would have stopped in the past i can't see why it would be something beneficial going forward.

These guys with the trucks etc seem very lowly on the suspect list so i don't see how the can all be monitored around the clock .

The tag monitoring will hardly tell anyone what vehicle the guy hired in any case.

MI5 will have a priority list where they likely know where the 'high value' people are all the time .

The ones on the periphery who don't seem to have connections to Syria etc i don't know what you can do to forestall their actions , other than mass internment of any of them who have as much as made radical statements on the internet or whatever.

Have we ever clashed?

I'd love to know who you think I am?

Digression - diversion - subterfuge - diverge. I do apologise is those words are to hard for you to understand but as you have done it since the inception of this fred, ye need to digest them.. That's my last word to you half-wit..

As for you, tobes even you cherry-picked what i said. I asked you had it ever been tried?

A tip for future threads: Reasoned arguments.

^^^ that leaves me out then.

The only thing that will keep this place alive is people who disagree without chucking mud.

I disagree !

someone lost on the national

More than one, I think.

there's three or four million - too many to tag - we have sown the seeds ourselves

or the politicians have  - for votes

So if the intelligence agencies tag everyone on their list, what do they see?

One of the thousands was in place X and is travelling to place Y at car speed. Do they organise a squad to go out and stop everyone on the list travelling at car speed?

I am sure Guinness will be in better and more reasonable form if Everton beat Leicester 3-0 tomorrow and he lands his usual bet!

They will have to take up much more serious measures against cult members.  There is only one group it will come from.

Everything is fine.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39540371

we don't want any of this vicious right wing lies do we

Just watching ITV news and the reporting is so poor. They report a lorry driving into shop, i think their was a little bit in between. Then they say the motives are unclear.

Inspector; it's about psyche as well, no phucker wants to be tagged or in an internment camp, so as no one has tried anything like that, why not? No one else has any ideas on ere, and there must be ways enforcing a 'no fly' zone for these twots who are KNOWN Just for any ulster fries listening in who don't understand my reasoning and more importantly, point!
There has to be a way of at least trying to control them instead of just letting them walk around willy nilly..

I put a fred up last week about a Belgian who is still a member of DAESH and actually walks around Belgium just like that and claims his benefits for doing just that.. How many walk around the UK like him? Are you all happy with that?

And finally inspector; what do you mean about reasonable? Are you not getting me mixed up with the loon i was trying to edumacate? Has anyone besides me actually read what that nincompoop was saying to me, or as usual it's just my fault for tearing a strip off him after what he accused me of? ye think i'm gonna take that from said nincompoop? It was like trying to discuss the Big Bang with Jimmy Cricket... Anyone on ere who accuses me of being an anti-Semite and racist in the same sentence will get short shrift from me.. And if you don't like that then don't say it to me, or condone it with sly digs...

If there are foriegn supporters of IS etc walking around just deport them would be my suggestion

Tagging seems very ineffectual . As i said earlier they do monitor the ones that are seen as high risk with known connections to dangerous people or past history of being involved . I expect they do a lot more than tag them ; probably bug their phones, cars etc

Then beyond those high risk ones there could be thousands of people who converted in prison, were seen at demos or whatever but have no known links to anything big , no convictions for terrorism , so no legal reason for taking any action. The purpose of tagging people is to ensure they don't breach restrictions placed by a court , such as a curfew.

It just is not practical to monitor maybe 10,000 people who are mostly just harmless nobodies , if you wanted to do that you'd need to take agents off the surveillance of the guys who are actually communicating with people in Syria etc

Which is why i say tag them. To watch someone constantly for 2 years and then take your finger off the pulse to allow them to commit murder is nothing short of criminal. If you think tagging is ineffectual then like you say deport them, set up internment camps for ones coming in who haven't been vetted properly and when some are released from prison or just decide to come back cos their homesick...

The Westminster guy appeared to be a nobody .There will be thousands with a similar profile , most of whom will never do anything.

The problem with tagging is it only tells where they are going , it gives zero indication of what they are up to .

They tag the guy and find he went to a car hire place .That doesn't tell them he hired an SUV .It doesn't tell us he hired a car at all. Unless they follow up in person and check what he did there . And of course they would have to check every time any one of these thousands went somewhere they could possibly have obtained something useful to an attack.

.Vast resources would be needed to keep track of them only to find out they went to Asda or whatever , having no knowledge of what they were buying  . And any time one of them decides to actually go somewhere and kill people the guys monitoring the tags will hear about it on the news like the rest of us.

Curfews or Internment of people you just have some suspicions of is something a tinpot dictatorship state would do imo

Though i do agree anyone coming here from abroad claiming asylum that we know fk all about should be happy to stay in a camp for a few weeks to be checked out and deported if they are found to be in sympathy with terrorist groups.

From what i have read about it there are a few hundred UK citizens/residents who have known links to dangerous people , and MI5 and the Police devote all they can to tracking them .Maybe this is why they there has not for 10 years or more been a Bataclan type 'professional' terrorist atrocity here , because the security services are on top of the people who would be capable of that sort of thing.

But 'amateurs',  who don't have bomb making skills or access to kalashnikovs ,  precisely because they are so limited , will not be connected to any networks and so are always likely to go under the radar.

I sent a tweet to Sir Donald when he tried to stop 6 countries from parking in America. Might be worth a try here...

It was on the lines of swearing allegiance to the country you are entering to live. Then if you are caught liasoning with anyone with known terrorist links or guilty yourself of spreading propaganda in mosques et al, and or convicted of the usual offences regarding terrorist activity, then on the next boat or plane you go.. This would be running alongside other 'conditions' like learning the language integration etc.

That of course wouldn't apply to ones  with full residential status already. It would be a start...

Except of course the KNOWN ones. They should be made to swear the same allegiance...

Buckfast still too cheap, I see.

The prime suspect in this latest appalling terror case in Sweden is not only KNOWN to Inspector Wallander, but for good measure is described as an 'failed asylum seeker' and was "wanted for deportation" at the time of the outrage.

It seems superfluous to mention it but police also state the individual expressed 'sympathy for extremist organisations such as ISIS".

Why on earth would Sweden want to give houseroom to people of this ilk? What have they gained from this experiment? 

Still, I'm sure that this fine gentlemen will be given a gold-plated legal defence and the maximum possible scrutiny of the Human Rights Industry, all courtesy of the Swedish taxpayer.

Meanwhile there has been another arrest in this 'lone wolf' attack and police say there are around 5 others of interest being held in custody.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/stockholm-lorry-attack-latest-victims-british-sweden-belgian-a7674846.html

It is quite easy - look for the beard.
You are going to have to deal with about 5 million of them in this country.  Who has the guts?
Basically we are finnish

I had a few bevvies last night, thought I'd play Devils Advocate with G2D. Never got a sensible answer even though I told him why his ingenuous idea wouldn't work.

Still love to know who he thinks is my other alias as I've only ever had 1 forum name

so it wasnt a bjorn borg lookalike with personality problems ,which frank gardener live on the beeb tried to convince the snow flakes of,mr gardener your an insult to your profession

This is part of the problem
from the guardian after these recent attacks

You do wonder whose side they are on

Such a cluster seizes attention but does not automatically indicate increased risk overall. Much about the attacks remains hazy, even where arrests have been made or perpetrators identified. Islamic State has claimed that one of its groups carried out the bombings in Egypt. In the other cases, Islamist militancy is suspected or known.

Then there is the broader policy context. The British prime minister, Theresa May, wisely resisted kneejerk announcements following the Westminster attack. But a revised and expanded version of the controversial Prevent strategy to identify and tackle radicalism awaits. As London mayor Sadiq Khan and others have pointed out, it has a toxic reputation within Muslim communities and needs to be fundamentally overhauled, not just rebranded.

They even drag in the white supremisist  killer in canada

What it refuses to do is point to where this is coming from and why.

I thought Kahn said it was part and parcel of living in a city.

Understand the problem and cure it? Unfortunately Islam doesn't want a cure.

I am aghast at the gruniad.  It attacks anything not on its agenda, but when it comes to islam it appears to downplay/pour cold water on  where the origins and philosophy comes from.  Anything to pander to one particular group. It seems to imply that it has nothing to do with islam and panders to the lone wolf syndrome.

The Guardian is a disgusting rag, the sooner it goes under the better.

Stockholm terror: Sweden will 'never go back' to mass immigration says Swedish PM.

Sweden will 'never go back' to mass immigration says Swedish PM.


Oh dear. The sound of stable doors being bolted long after the horse bolted.

And just like that. the Great Experiment that NO-ONE in Sweden asked for has ended. So, is 'mass immigration' a bad thing then Mr Swedish Prime Minister?

Exactly Alun.

No Swedish Parliamentary debate, no national discussion, no economic analysis, no nothing. Just like that, the insane experiment is terminated.

That tells you just how idiotic the experiment was in the first place. It can be swept away under the carpet without so much as a second thought. All that's left is the terror and carnage to come.

But hang on a minute….

Why aren't the 'progressive' and 'enlightened' supporters of Multicultural Sweden and The New Country of Sweden up in arms about this? 

Why aren't the European/American Liberals demanding the sacking of the Swedish PM?

After all, when Donald Trump floated a perfectly sensible policy of reducing immigration, particularly from certain countries, he was routinely described as 'racist', 'fascist' and all the other absurd liberal insults.

Surely the Cultural Enrichment of Sweden/Europe wasn't a grotesque act of self-destruction after all? 

Surely it wasn't an insane vanity project to make self-imagined 'liberal progressives' feel virtuous about themselves?

the Great Experiment that NO-ONE in Sweden asked for has ended.

alun - or the rest of Europe!

This is an incredible statement from Lofven. No surprise the media here don't want to carry the story.

The BBC would rather continue to blame the truck not the real cause.

'Sweden's prime minister has told the families of the victims of Friday's truck attack they are not alone'.

Ninnyhammers crápping themselves in case migrants get a bruise. If they are genuine asylum seekers then they have nothing to worry about. At least Viktor Orbán recognises the problems..

http://www.dw.com/en/un-refugee-agency-calls-for-halt-to-asylum-seeker-transfers-to-hungary/a-38371313

Btw i did suggest internment camps over a year ago on ere. I think that was laughed out of school as well, or reported, or fred removed et al...

Maybe the PM of Hungary reads chitty chatty?

Doesn't time fly. I've found it but it was 2 years ago! It was on a fred of leopards (that's why it's still ere)


guinness2dear 05 Apr 15 18:34 Joined: 19 Jan 07 | Topic/replies: 19,118 | Blogger:

During the 2nd World War 'suspected' traitors were sent to internment camps on the Isle of Man. Now some liberallists may say that's far too harsh these days (the Isle of Man bit especially) but internment should be an option..

It's nothing new. Sweden already closed its borders in 2015 to drastically reduce the number of new arrivals. Selected British tabloids might be picking it up as something new, the sudden termination of an experiment now, but Löfven only vowed to extend what's been government policy since November 2015 or so.

Contrary to popular rumour among certain circles, the entire EU, including Germany and Sweden, does not want a repeat of 2015. They're making deals with Turkey, building up Frontex, keeping up border controls at certain borders, paying Belarus to maintain internment camps (mainly meant for people from Chechnya), and touring northern africa for other deals e.g to make it easier to send unaccompanied minors back.

Are these the 19 yr old minors?