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Yes Crisp77 but he was a tad bitter.
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he never bit my tad
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Dr Crippen perhaps you misread the post?
His wife is nodding as he goes on: "Jimmy did a great deal of good, as well as wrong. And in anybody's life, you have to look at both sides of the ledger." |
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Yes you are correct Starshipenterprise.
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Not going to bother debating who started it (answer = the other lot) but will question akabula's numbers. He says the IRA were responsible for the deaths of 1700 innocent Irish citizens. I readily acknowledge the difficulty in putting exact numbers to these things but the impartial source I'm using 'credits' the IRA with 1771 kills from the onset of the Troubles until July 1999. Of that number, 916 were members of the British security forces. So we've already halved akabula's 1700, to 855. The IRA is also credited with killing 149 of its own members, as well as 12 members of other Republican paramilitaries. That leaves 694 non-'innocents' which includes members of loyalist paramilitaries and/or the prison service, whose innocence/complicity might be a grey area.
So, the IRA killed 694 innocent Irish citizens (though some of that number may not have welcomed the 'Irish' tag) during the Troubles. Is that number not horrifying enough, aka? Why the need to exaggerate? BTW, and just for the record of course, the total number of civilians killed by ALL republican paramilitaries was 723. Total civilians killed by loyalist paramilitaries? 878. |
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I think it was the loyalist paramilitaries who decommissioned when the IRA was no longer considered to be a threat.
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what was happening around the time that the IRA called a ceasefire?
well by the start of the 1990s the UVF was focusing on targeting known republicans members of the IRA political wing ,sinn fein or members of the IRA itself. and around the same time there were signs that some loyalist paramilitaries were in danger of going rogue mad, and becoming as ruthless and fanatical and dangerous as any, things were close to slipping into chaos because the scum in many of these organisations can come to power as with the US mafia which was destroyed from within because the most fanatical and ruthless become the norm |
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this was a very dangerous time, not as it had been for decades for the innocent public, but the members of these organisations themselves.
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I've forgotten to take into account those killed in England, and a few more in Europe, which totals 143, though not all are IRA victims. Probably lowers aka's 1700 to around the 600 mark.
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running on the spot
How many people did the uvf Uda kill ? |