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1. Darwin expressed worry about LACK of intermediate fossils. 2. Animals appear fully formed in fossil records? no previous linking organisms? Bats, example. 3. Lack of a viable mechanism for producing high levels of complex and specified information in DNA. 4.DNA has a self repair mechanism that actively stops mutations. 5. The failure of chemistry to explain the origin of the genetic code. "The origin of life remains a mystery" the 2011 evolution conference entitled.. don't tell the creationists but we have no idea how life began. 6. The failure of developmental biology to explain why vertebrate embryos diverge from the beginning of development. 7.The failure of neo-Darwinian evolution to explain the bio geographical distribution of many species. 8. Possible soft tissue samples in Dinosaur bones being recovered (ongoing research). 9. A long history of inaccurate predictions inspired by neo-Darwinism regarding vestigial organs or so-called "junk" DNA. no longer regarded as junk DNA. 10. Humans show many behavioral and cognitive traits and abilities that offer no apparent survival advantage (e.g. music, art, religion, ability to ponder the nature of the universe). 11. Animals with a specific number of chromosomes do not shift their chromosomes numbers and remain fertile. therefore cannot become another species.12. Molecular Biology has Failed to Yield a Grand "Tree of Life" 13.nature magazine - lists a Adam and Eve Progenitor couple as being the nexus of Humanity in Africa. http://www.nature.com/news/genetic-adam-and-eve-did-not-live-too-far-apart-in-time-1.13478?WT.mc_id=FBK_NatureNews 14.INFORMATION has a sender, DNA has information, a 4bit code. CAGT.15. Many tens thousands of Subtractive/destructive mutations exist, Cancer now kills one in three. Professor Dawkin's was asked famously if he new of any positive mutations that benefit the Human Genome. His response was silence that lasted a day? eventually posting one mutation after consultation with other sources. Ytube clip available. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W4e4MwogLo&t=108s 16. Science on Anti evolutionist theories is being curtailed by discriminatory practices. Many PhD biologists are being fired for putting forward intelligent design or contrary viewpoints. Science is about revision. This is anti science. 17."computers have shown that the neat evolutionary trees that get drawn up are in fact based on imaginary relations of similarity and difference that owe more to the human mind's tendency to perceive patterns than to the raw biological data". 18.Neo-Darwinism has a Long History of Inaccurate Darwinian Predictions about Vestigial Organs and "Junk DNA" 19.No example of any living species evolving into another species exists. After 200 years under the microscope. 20. after 67,000 generations - of breeding ecoli, Richard Lenski, Michigan university has not noticed ecoli evolving into anything other than ecoli. 21. evolution emphasizes 'micro evolution' previously called animal husbandry as proof of 'macro evolution' which is one species turning into another species. Variation within a species is a fact, no one contests it. from Wolf to German Shepherd. 22. Many example of fakery by prominent scientists exists, missing link fakery and other research. Piltdown man most famously. (https://evolutionisntscience.wordpress.com/evolution-frauds) 23. Birds that are forming wings? while those wings are moving to a workable wing able to send that bird into the air. which will take hundreds of generations?.. it is a liability to the creature. Something which most likely will see the creature die out using the evolutionary rules of natural selection? It also implies there is an end goal of flight behind the mechanism? that flight is inevitable. 24. "Just so stories" (Rudyard Kipling) that prop up gaps in the theory. Giraffes, we are told, got long necks in order to browse the leaves at the tops of acacia trees... available to no other mammal. stretch your neck kiddies. 25. Strange Statements that mean nothing. the species 'emerged" 26. "Only mutations in the reproductive (germ) cells of an animal or plant would be passed on. Mutations in DNA happen fairly often, but most are repaired or destroyed by mechanisms in animals and plants. All known mutations in animal and plant germ cells are neutral, harmful, or fatal. 27. "Some evolutionist researchers went looking for classic sweeps in humans, and reported their findings in the journal Science. "To evaluate the importance of classic sweeps in shaping human diversity, we analyzed re sequencing data for 179 human genomes from four populations". "In humans, the effects of sweeps are expected to persist for approximately 10,000 generations or about 250,000 years." Evolutionists had identified "more than 2000 genes as potential targets of positive selection in the human genome", and they expected that "diversity patterns in about 10% of the human genome have been affected by linkage to recent sweeps." So what did they find? "In contrast to expectation," their test detected nothing, but they could not quite bring themselves to say it. They said there was a "paucity of classic sweeps revealed by our findings". Sweeps "were too infrequent within the past 250,000 years to have had discernible effects on genomic diversity." "Classic sweeps were not a dominant mode of human adaptation over the past 250,000 years." --Hernandez, Ryan D., Joanna L. Kelley, Eyal Elyashiv, S. Cord Melton, Adam Auton, Gilean McVean, 1000 Genomes Project, Guy Sella, Molly Przeworski. 18 February 2011. Classic Selective Sweeps Were Rare in Recent Human Evolution. Science, Vol. 331, no. 6019, pp. 920-924." 28.A true science, like physics, makes claims that can be tested and thus potentially falsified; this vulnerability is what makes it worthy of belief when despite this, the falsification does not happen. But evolution does not make claims of this kind. 29. "Orphan genes are defined as genes which lack detectable similarity to genes in other species". "They typically make up 10 to 30% of all genes in a genome."30. Mendel's accountant - a computer program that threw out the possibility that man might deteriorate within a thousand years to a extinct species. 31.Evolutionists Quote the bible and the six thousand year limit set in the bible. The bible sets no age for creation. It does set the time Adam started to exist at six thousand years ago. Again this date might be irrelevant as Time is a concept that is not measurable in the past. Time is variable in physics. Atomic clocks show different times and time might have moved at a faster pace in the past? This is being questioned by many physicists. 32. Darwinism has links to Hindu beliefs, linked with Victorian mysticism - the theory of Natural selection has been attributed to Darwin's colleague - Alfred Russel Wallace(also Herbert Spencer philosopher. ), "Wallace was strongly attracted to unconventional ideas. His advocacy of spiritualism and his belief in a non-material origin for the higher mental faculties of humans strained his relationship with some members of the scientific establishment." It's said he came up with the survival of the fittest theory while under a narcotic influence in a tribal setting. From the outset Darwinism was linked with Spiritualism. As a religion which it emulates, it constantly throws out evidence, and gives the excuse that the future will throw up some vital fact which will prove it's reliability. 33. "They cut the theory's last connection to reality, declaring that the impossible is normal: of course genes are produced de novo! The new foundation of evolution theory is Poof - there it is (which sounds like the foundation of creation by Intelligent Design - de novo)." 34. "the evolution of insect metamorphosis remains a genuine biological mystery even today." "Metamorphosis is a truly bizarre process". Nevertheless, "biologists have established a plausible narrative about the origin of insect metamorphosis, which they continue to revise as new information surfaces."
35. "butterflies - the Blue Morpho. That shimmering blue on top is not pigment. These extremely tiny shapes that cover the scales on top of the wing cause light wave interference. Blue light has a wavelength range from 400 to 480 nm. The slits in the scales of the Morpho are 200 nm apart. Because the distance between slits corresponds to half of the wavelength of blue light, this is the wavelength that undergoes constructive interference. The slits are attached to a base of melanin, a material that absorbs light, further strengthening the blue image. If evolutionists get around to making up a story for how these structures evolved, what do you think it will be? Come on, use your imagination!" 36. Darwin's own doubts - Darwin expressed serious doubts about his own theory, Lack of intermediate/transitional fossils? Darwin Admitted it is Absurd to Believe that the Eye Could have been Formed by Natural Selection, Darwin Admitted that Events like The Cambrian Explosion would be Fatal to the Theory. 37. "Life's origin has been most ardently pursued by chemists, apparently on the unspoken premise that once the molecular building blocks are on hand, cellular organization will take care of itself. That premise is surely incorrect. Modern cells do not assemble themselves from preformed constituents, and they would not have done so in the past." 38. Abiogenesis or bio-genesis - has been abandoned and prominent evolutionists will now say that they don't have a viable starting mechanism for life. Yet abiogenesis is still a theory, which is quoted by some. 39. In a lecture in 2014, famous "origin-of-life" researcher Jack Szostak - Regarding the third problem, the RNA backbone is always the same in living things. But making it with chemicals in a lab leads to haphazard forms. Szostak believes this will not be much of an obstacle after all. The last problem on the list is about magnesium ions. They are required for copying RNA, but they also degrade RNA and destroy membranes. His lab's experiments found that adding citrate to the magnesium ions prevents the destruction. That is hardly surprising since citrate is essential to cellular metabolism, but citrate is not a plausible prebiotic chemical because it is a product of living things. He did not mention that in the lecture.40. "Why can't we reproduce this chemical phenomena of the creation of life, and why isn't it still happening? We still have single celled organisms all the way up through full blown multi cellular organisms. So why can't we find really simple non-DNA life also in this chain? The truth is... if evolution is a big chain, the beginning is missing. " 41. Atheists and the religious both doubt evolution. It's not just the religious. A lot of evolutionists throw mud or cast intellectual authority at anyone who disagrees with their position. They Mimic the Church's attitude to Galileo centuries ago. They have a doctrine. which they protect? 42. "There are two versions of evolution theory. The main version proposes that many tiny changes over millions of years made new creatures. It is called the Modern Synthesis or Neo-Darwinian evolution. Then there's another that says that leaps are made occasionally? It says that change occurred by occasional leaps (punctuated equilibrium), not gradually. However, each hypothetical beneficial mutation could only make a slight change. Any more than that would be so disruptive as to cause death." 43. ""It is now generally recognized that beneficial mutations are rare, and that high-impact beneficial mutations are extremely rare. In higher life forms where population sizes are modest, the mutation rate per nucleotide per generation is normally extremely low (about 10 to the power of 8). This means that the waiting time for a specific nucleotide within single chromosomal lineage would be 100 million generations." 44. "Storytelling. First they assumed evolution occurred. Then they estimated how fast it should have happened, and decided that the creatures in the Cambrian Explosion had been evolving for over 250million years before any showed up in the rocks as fossils! "We estimate that the last common ancestor of all living animals arose nearly 800 million years ago and that the stem lineages leading to most extant phyla had evolved by the end of the Ediacaran (541 million years ago)." Yes, millions of generations of all kinds of creatures all over the world living, dying, evolving without leaving any trace of their existence. Not only that, "from the early Paleozoic onward there is little addition of new phyla and classes". "Little high-level morphological innovation occurred during the subsequent 500 million years". Their story was published in the prestigious journal Science, and was hailed as having solved a mystery challenging evolution theory all the way back to Darwin. --Erwin, Douglas H., Marc Laflamme, Sarah M. Tweedt, Erik A. Sperling, Davide Pisani, Kevin J. Peterson. 2011. The Cambrian Conundrum: Early Divergence and Later Ecological Success in the Early History of Animals. Science, Vol. 334, pp. 1091-1097."45. compound eyes of insects - "When the earliest form is the most complex, there is no evolution." 46. "A significant part of early vertebrate evolution is unknown." 47. "Evolutionists told us The damselfly, has not shown up in the fossil record for 250-300 million years! Dozens of the Ancient Greenling Damselfly live near Melbourne, Australia. "The damselfly, part of the dragonfly group Odonata, is the only living representative of the family Hemiphlebiidae. Its ancient predecessors are found solely in 250-300 million-year-old fossil records from Brazil to Russia." --Smith, Bridie. January 5, 2010. Found: fossil-linked, listed damselfly. www.theage.com.au (newspaper website)48. New discoveries are bringing down the whole notion of a "tree of life", as passages from an article in the mainstream magazine New Scientist show -https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126921-600-why-darwin-was-wrong-about-the-tree-of-life/ 49. Is there enough time for evolution to work? the earth might be 4 billion years old - the earth would have to cool? All systems in place before life gets the ideal conditions to begin. 50. "Vanishing vestigials - If evolutionists do not know what something does, they assume it is useless, as we will see with "junk DNA". One of their "proofs" of evolution has been that as creatures evolve, some body parts that were useful long ago become less important in the new and improved creatures." 51. Fibonacci sequence observed in flowers, magnets and atoms. 1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89 etc. a cosmic signature? 52. Life only looks like it was designed? you have to constantly remind yourself that it is not? Dawkins actually said this? paraphrased to don't trust your eyes children. Well, in science there is something called observations. testability. lots of quotes - apologies to researchers. cram space only. 53. Geology a new science. Plate techtonics only became a theory in the 1960's. they date a fossil by it's location in the layers, and date the layers because of what it holds. 54. Carbon 14 has a half life of 5,730 years, All carbon 14 planet wide should be gone if the planet is billions of years old. It cannot be used to date bones, unless it's a few thousand years old. they also ask you to fill in the probable date of the sample in the form, when requesting a date? 55. the Miller Urey experiment in the fifties? no update? - they fail to tell you you need to produce all proteins for a cell. also that the product in the flask is toxic to life. If proteins are formed they won't last long in the toxic soup by product. 56. no living observable example of one species turning into a new species exists in real time. The planet has many million species. This has been tried with bacteria in labs. Many thousands of generations have been manipulated trying to observe evolution. NADA. 57. species numbers are declining, not in an upward trend. Information is being lost. Entropy. 58. animals with genetic defects, mutation, die off. They do not thrive. 59. software disconnect – the genome of one animal is different from the genome of another animal or plant. There is no cross breeding between a mouse and a banana. A one percent drift? is enough to separate any species. Millions of separate species in that 100 percent range. From bacteria, to a spider, to a mouse to a Man –all within that 100 percent range. A chimp being a 96 percent match to a man is a huge gulf. Not even close. 60. Not enough to have a miracle of physical evolution? But then there is consciousness – the ability of self awareness. Ideas being swapped between men. Concepts like dimensionality. higher functions not being accessed by the animals. 61. Darwinism’s arrogance – it looks down on past wrong thought in science and philosophy as if it was a shameful thing. They do not acknowledge the journey, the lessons of nothing in science being a fact. They keep making the statement – this is a fact. 62. All of the universe anyone observes is in four dimensions, but there is research into higher dimensions. Possibly twelve dimensions. Yet Professor Dawkins says there is no room for God? Insane arrogance. 63. the odds of one amino acid forming is ten to the power of 260, ten with 260 zeroes running behind it – calculated by Francis Crick himself. An evolutionist. At least twenty amino acids are needed to make a protein. Many more proteins to make a cell. ABRACADABRA. Easy to say… harder to do.64.BS alert - Some animals evolve, some don't ? Some just hit a wall. Spiders haven't changed much or crocodiles? they don't need to evolve? they are perfectly suited to their environment. Says Man. 65 Arbitrary classification - recently some species have been reshuffled into different categories? WHY? because the DNA results showed they were not in the right category? Looking at animals and saying they are similar means nothing. It's an opinion.
35. "butterflies - the Blue Morpho. That shimmering blue on top is not pigment. These extremely tiny shapes that cover the scales on top of the wing cause light wave interference. Blue light has a wavelength range from 400 to 480 nm. The slits in the scales of the Morpho are 200 nm apart. Because the distance between slits corresponds to half of the wavelength of blue light, this is the wavelength that undergoes constructive interference. The slits are attached to a base of melanin, a material that absorbs light, further strengthening the blue image. If evolutionists get around to making up a story for how these structures evolved, what do you think it will be? Come on, use your imagination!" 36. Darwin's own doubts - Darwin expressed serious doubts about his own theory, Lack of intermediate/transitional fossils? Darwin Admitted it is Absurd to Believe that the Eye Could have been Formed by Natural Selection, Darwin Admitted that Events like The Cambrian Explosion would be Fatal to the Theory. 37. "Life's origin has been most ardently pursued by chemists, apparently on the unspoken premise that once the molecular building blocks are on hand, cellular organization will take care of itself. That premise is surely incorrect. Modern cells do not assemble themselves from preformed constituents, and they would not have done so in the past." 38. Abiogenesis or bio-genesis - has been abandoned and prominent evolutionists will now say that they don't have a viable starting mechanism for life. Yet abiogenesis is still a theory, which is quoted by some. 39. In a lecture in 2014, famous "origin-of-life" researcher Jack Szostak - Regarding the third problem, the RNA backbone is always the same in living things. But making it with chemicals in a lab leads to haphazard forms. Szostak believes this will not be much of an obstacle after all. The last problem on the list is about magnesium ions. They are required for copying RNA, but they also degrade RNA and destroy membranes. His lab's experiments found that adding citrate to the magnesium ions prevents the destruction. That is hardly surprising since citrate is essential to cellular metabolism, but citrate is not a plausible prebiotic chemical because it is a product of living things. He did not mention that in the lecture.40. "Why can't we reproduce this chemical phenomena of the creation of life, and why isn't it still happening? We still have single celled organisms all the way up through full blown multi cellular organisms. So why can't we find really simple non-DNA life also in this chain? The truth is... if evolution is a big chain, the beginning is missing. " 41. Atheists and the religious both doubt evolution. It's not just the religious. A lot of evolutionists throw mud or cast intellectual authority at anyone who disagrees with their position. They Mimic the Church's attitude to Galileo centuries ago. They have a doctrine. which they protect? 42. "There are two versions of evolution theory. The main version proposes that many tiny changes over millions of years made new creatures. It is called the Modern Synthesis or Neo-Darwinian evolution. Then there's another that says that leaps are made occasionally? It says that change occurred by occasional leaps (punctuated equilibrium), not gradually. However, each hypothetical beneficial mutation could only make a slight change. Any more than that would be so disruptive as to cause death." 43. ""It is now generally recognized that beneficial mutations are rare, and that high-impact beneficial mutations are extremely rare. In higher life forms where population sizes are modest, the mutation rate per nucleotide per generation is normally extremely low (about 10 to the power of 8). This means that the waiting time for a specific nucleotide within single chromosomal lineage would be 100 million generations." 44. "Storytelling. First they assumed evolution occurred. Then they estimated how fast it should have happened, and decided that the creatures in the Cambrian Explosion had been evolving for over 250million years before any showed up in the rocks as fossils! "We estimate that the last common ancestor of all living animals arose nearly 800 million years ago and that the stem lineages leading to most extant phyla had evolved by the end of the Ediacaran (541 million years ago)." Yes, millions of generations of all kinds of creatures all over the world living, dying, evolving without leaving any trace of their existence. Not only that, "from the early Paleozoic onward there is little addition of new phyla and classes". "Little high-level morphological innovation occurred during the subsequent 500 million years". Their story was published in the prestigious journal Science, and was hailed as having solved a mystery challenging evolution theory all the way back to Darwin. --Erwin, Douglas H., Marc Laflamme, Sarah M. Tweedt, Erik A. Sperling, Davide Pisani, Kevin J. Peterson. 2011. The Cambrian Conundrum: Early Divergence and Later Ecological Success in the Early History of Animals. Science, Vol. 334, pp. 1091-1097."45. compound eyes of insects - "When the earliest form is the most complex, there is no evolution." 46. "A significant part of early vertebrate evolution is unknown." 47. "Evolutionists told us The damselfly, has not shown up in the fossil record for 250-300 million years! Dozens of the Ancient Greenling Damselfly live near Melbourne, Australia. "The damselfly, part of the dragonfly group Odonata, is the only living representative of the family Hemiphlebiidae. Its ancient predecessors are found solely in 250-300 million-year-old fossil records from Brazil to Russia." --Smith, Bridie. January 5, 2010. Found: fossil-linked, listed damselfly. www.theage.com.au (newspaper website)48. New discoveries are bringing down the whole notion of a "tree of life", as passages from an article in the mainstream magazine New Scientist show -https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126921-600-why-darwin-was-wrong-about-the-tree-of-life/ 49. Is there enough time for evolution to work? the earth might be 4 billion years old - the earth would have to cool? All systems in place before life gets the ideal conditions to begin. 50. "Vanishing vestigials - If evolutionists do not know what something does, they assume it is useless, as we will see with "junk DNA". One of their "proofs" of evolution has been that as creatures evolve, some body parts that were useful long ago become less important in the new and improved creatures." 51. Fibonacci sequence observed in flowers, magnets and atoms. 1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89 etc. a cosmic signature? 52. Life only looks like it was designed? you have to constantly remind yourself that it is not? Dawkins actually said this? paraphrased to don't trust your eyes children. Well, in science there is something called observations. testability. lots of quotes - apologies to researchers. cram space only. 53. Geology a new science. Plate techtonics only became a theory in the 1960's. they date a fossil by it's location in the layers, and date the layers because of what it holds. 54. Carbon 14 has a half life of 5,730 years, All carbon 14 planet wide should be gone if the planet is billions of years old. It cannot be used to date bones, unless it's a few thousand years old. they also ask you to fill in the probable date of the sample in the form, when requesting a date? 55. the Miller Urey experiment in the fifties? no update? - they fail to tell you you need to produce all proteins for a cell. also that the product in the flask is toxic to life. If proteins are formed they won't last long in the toxic soup by product. 56. no living observable example of one species turning into a new species exists in real time. The planet has many million species. This has been tried with bacteria in labs. Many thousands of generations have been manipulated trying to observe evolution. NADA. 57. species numbers are declining, not in an upward trend. Information is being lost. Entropy. 58. animals with genetic defects, mutation, die off. They do not thrive. 59. software disconnect – the genome of one animal is different from the genome of another animal or plant. There is no cross breeding between a mouse and a banana. A one percent drift? is enough to separate any species. Millions of separate species in that 100 percent range. From bacteria, to a spider, to a mouse to a Man –all within that 100 percent range. A chimp being a 96 percent match to a man is a huge gulf. Not even close. 60. Not enough to have a miracle of physical evolution? But then there is consciousness – the ability of self awareness. Ideas being swapped between men. Concepts like dimensionality. higher functions not being accessed by the animals. 61. Darwinism’s arrogance – it looks down on past wrong thought in science and philosophy as if it was a shameful thing. They do not acknowledge the journey, the lessons of nothing in science being a fact. They keep making the statement – this is a fact. 62. All of the universe anyone observes is in four dimensions, but there is research into higher dimensions. Possibly twelve dimensions. Yet Professor Dawkins says there is no room for God? Insane arrogance. 63. the odds of one amino acid forming is ten to the power of 260, ten with 260 zeroes running behind it – calculated by Francis Crick himself. An evolutionist. At least twenty amino acids are needed to make a protein. Many more proteins to make a cell. ABRACADABRA. Easy to say… harder to do.64.BS alert - Some animals evolve, some don't ? Some just hit a wall. Spiders haven't changed much or crocodiles? they don't need to evolve? they are perfectly suited to their environment. Says Man. 65 Arbitrary classification - recently some species have been reshuffled into different categories? WHY? because the DNA results showed they were not in the right category? Looking at animals and saying they are similar means nothing. It's an opinion.
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if you are going to cut and paste 3000 words of sh1te, at least have the courtesy to put in some paragraphs.
That was a fantastic read about "evilution"!
I didn't quite follow, so will read again later....
I didn't quite follow, so will read again later....
More - we want more....
he was a nut, he spent all his time fighting Dilberts online.
In the image of God. why do you want to be in the image of Cheetah?
he was a nut, he spent all his time fighting Dilberts online.
In the image of God. why do you want to be in the image of Cheetah?
Main problem I have with evilution is the spelling
Darwin talks bull,the Apes we see today did not turn into humans.
.how come that happened.?
.how come that happened.?
The issue with the people who doubt evolution (I think that's what the opening post is about!), is that they never consider what a long time it all takes.
It's impossible to comprehend how long a million years is, or 100 million, or a billion and how gradual changes are looked at with millions of years of gaps between looks.
I'll just deal with the top line of what you wrote.
1. Fossils ARE intermediate already. New ones are discovered all the time and fill the gaps as time goes on, but they're not that common as a lot of time has passed since they were living creatures and they mostly got eaten or rotted away. It took special conditions to make fossils and the reason there are quite a few is just that there weren't many but they gathered over a VERY LONG TIME.
2. Loads of fossils, most in fact are NOT fully formed. Also it is reckoned that 99.9% of every creature that has existed on earth is extinct. There are many reasons for this. We simply don't know what happened in the past, there is much to discover and learn. In the meantime a God or several Gods will do by way of explanation, for most.
3. DNA was only recently discovered. Mechanisms of its manipulation are being developed all the time. Again we just haven't learned or discovered enough yet to unravel every answer to every question, much less deal with people who refuse to believe it wasn't all made in 6 days by a being no-one has actually seen.
I could go on, I really could.
The biggest advice I have zorro, is don't try to publish it, even if you do tidy up the syntax and grammar.
It's impossible to comprehend how long a million years is, or 100 million, or a billion and how gradual changes are looked at with millions of years of gaps between looks.
I'll just deal with the top line of what you wrote.
1. Fossils ARE intermediate already. New ones are discovered all the time and fill the gaps as time goes on, but they're not that common as a lot of time has passed since they were living creatures and they mostly got eaten or rotted away. It took special conditions to make fossils and the reason there are quite a few is just that there weren't many but they gathered over a VERY LONG TIME.
2. Loads of fossils, most in fact are NOT fully formed. Also it is reckoned that 99.9% of every creature that has existed on earth is extinct. There are many reasons for this. We simply don't know what happened in the past, there is much to discover and learn. In the meantime a God or several Gods will do by way of explanation, for most.
3. DNA was only recently discovered. Mechanisms of its manipulation are being developed all the time. Again we just haven't learned or discovered enough yet to unravel every answer to every question, much less deal with people who refuse to believe it wasn't all made in 6 days by a being no-one has actually seen.
I could go on, I really could.
The biggest advice I have zorro, is don't try to publish it, even if you do tidy up the syntax and grammar.
I think it's best to leave religion off of chit chat. Evangelicals like zorro will not change their mind and people such as myself and other atheists on here won't accept a god without scientific evidence. You seem like a nice guy zorro but I think I'll stick to looking at your efforts on the drawing thread which are excellent.
Apes we see today did not turn into humans
Well done, Brassneck, that's absolutely true. We ARE one of the apes we see today. We all evolved from a common ancestor.
Well done, Brassneck, that's absolutely true. We ARE one of the apes we see today. We all evolved from a common ancestor.
YES,the apes today should be wearing skirts and trousers and living in houses and betting,and drinking,and dancing the night away.
so Darwin has a lot to explain.
so Darwin has a lot to explain.
NOBODY in all history questions Micro evolution. It's Macro evolution that is problematic.
If you do not know the difference. Then you are lazy in your beliefs.
If you do not know the difference. Then you are lazy in your beliefs.
a man with a big nose passes that feature onto his children. micro evolution.
a man with a big nose has a child with wings and a new species is born. macro evolution.
pigs breed pigs, not otters.
not one animal changes into another animal.
Richard Lenski has been breeding e-coli for thirty years, 67,000 generations, he's still got e-coli. Some are better some are worse. But none have became another bacterium.
67,000 generations. (that's times x 20 years for humans, age you might have offspring) 1.34 million years equivalent time passing for humans.
1.34 million years, and nothing....?
spiders are the same?
scorpions are the same?
crocs, bats and tens of thousands of other critters all around millions of years ago?
Maybe you are dreamers? enjoy the cartoons and animations of monkeys turning into men. Of fish turning into birds. looking at an owl and comparing it's structure to a whale is a hoot.
a man with a big nose has a child with wings and a new species is born. macro evolution.
pigs breed pigs, not otters.
not one animal changes into another animal.
Richard Lenski has been breeding e-coli for thirty years, 67,000 generations, he's still got e-coli. Some are better some are worse. But none have became another bacterium.
67,000 generations. (that's times x 20 years for humans, age you might have offspring) 1.34 million years equivalent time passing for humans.
1.34 million years, and nothing....?
spiders are the same?
scorpions are the same?
crocs, bats and tens of thousands of other critters all around millions of years ago?
Maybe you are dreamers? enjoy the cartoons and animations of monkeys turning into men. Of fish turning into birds. looking at an owl and comparing it's structure to a whale is a hoot.
You only have to look at the advances in gene therapy, to appreciate that any animal can be subject to genetic adaptations, that can change the course of its evolution.
Some of these adaptations occur naturally.
If you concede that percentage wise, we're genetically very very similar to some of the great apes, it's not such a big leap of faith to accept that one might have evolved from the other.
It's our intellect, consciousness and ability to reflect, that give us that feeling of superiority and uniqueness. These could easily be bi-products of our evolution.
Take a trip to the local pub on a saturday night, and you'll appreciate that we're driven by many of the same instincts as other species.
Some of these adaptations occur naturally.
If you concede that percentage wise, we're genetically very very similar to some of the great apes, it's not such a big leap of faith to accept that one might have evolved from the other.
It's our intellect, consciousness and ability to reflect, that give us that feeling of superiority and uniqueness. These could easily be bi-products of our evolution.
Take a trip to the local pub on a saturday night, and you'll appreciate that we're driven by many of the same instincts as other species.
a man with a big nose has a child with wings and a new species is born. macro evolution.
No it's not it's mutation.
No it's not it's mutation.
Richard Lenski has been breeding e-coli for thirty years, 67,000 generations, he's still got e-coli. Some are better some are worse. But none have became another bacterium.
I have no idea whether this is true, but you don't seem to understand the process of evolution in any case.
For a mutation to be passed on and flourish, it either has to enable an organism to take advantage of a new resource or, if there are no new resources, be at least as good as the competition at taking advantage of these unchanged conditions.
Bacteria have been about for 100s of millions of years. They are perfectly adapted to their environment. It is highly unlikely that mutations from cell division would lead to a superior method of utilising environmental resources. ie Highly unlikely that a new "species" - (I'm not even sure that species is a proper term for bacteria)- will develop unless the environment changes.
btw you also do not appear to understand that sexual reproduction will produce far more variance and possibility of adaption to changing environments than reproduction from cell division.
I have no idea whether this is true, but you don't seem to understand the process of evolution in any case.
For a mutation to be passed on and flourish, it either has to enable an organism to take advantage of a new resource or, if there are no new resources, be at least as good as the competition at taking advantage of these unchanged conditions.
Bacteria have been about for 100s of millions of years. They are perfectly adapted to their environment. It is highly unlikely that mutations from cell division would lead to a superior method of utilising environmental resources. ie Highly unlikely that a new "species" - (I'm not even sure that species is a proper term for bacteria)- will develop unless the environment changes.
btw you also do not appear to understand that sexual reproduction will produce far more variance and possibility of adaption to changing environments than reproduction from cell division.
Richard Lenski - Michigan University - Google it .
Why are Apes like humans? because of the opposable thumb?
the DNA resemblance has been taken down from (99 percent in 1995) to 97 percent.
a two percent drop in a scale of 100, 100 containing every life form on the earth. Millions of species. They don't ever phrase it that way? why?
KOALA BEAR - marsupial. Has opposable thumbs.
here is the usual fare....
Human thumbs are called opposable thumbs. They are called opposable because the thumb can be moved around to touch the other fingers, which gives people the ability to grasp things. Most primates (humans, apes, and Old World monkeys) and some other animals have opposable thumbs.
Why are Apes like humans? because of the opposable thumb?
the DNA resemblance has been taken down from (99 percent in 1995) to 97 percent.
a two percent drop in a scale of 100, 100 containing every life form on the earth. Millions of species. They don't ever phrase it that way? why?
KOALA BEAR - marsupial. Has opposable thumbs.
here is the usual fare....
Human thumbs are called opposable thumbs. They are called opposable because the thumb can be moved around to touch the other fingers, which gives people the ability to grasp things. Most primates (humans, apes, and Old World monkeys) and some other animals have opposable thumbs.
a man has 46 chromosomes.
a potato has 46 chromosomes.
a chimp has 48 chromosomes.(24 pairs)
no animal has changed chromosome count and remained fertile.
if it gains 1 it loses the ability of reproduction. Such as the mule.
So I could make a spurious connection that we have the same amount of chromosomes as a POTATO. indeed we have a 100 percent match. in numbers at least. This is what I would term massaging the figures. (lying) All the figures are correct, but the content is debatable.
a potato has 46 chromosomes.
a chimp has 48 chromosomes.(24 pairs)
no animal has changed chromosome count and remained fertile.
if it gains 1 it loses the ability of reproduction. Such as the mule.
So I could make a spurious connection that we have the same amount of chromosomes as a POTATO. indeed we have a 100 percent match. in numbers at least. This is what I would term massaging the figures. (lying) All the figures are correct, but the content is debatable.
isn't there some creationist nutbag forum you can torture people zorro.......in other words....f*** off this forum spouting your rubbish
Zorro gets some of his posts from creationist websites. I would rather encourage him to read the scientific viewpoint starting with Darwin's book in order to have a more balanced view. There are alternatives written in a more modern style if preferred.
Another thing I think you should read about is quotation mining, which is prevalent on creationist websites and is deliberately done in order to give a false impression of the views of respected scientists. I have noticed that you often copy such misinformation on this forum. Have a look at this for example.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ce/3/part6.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ce/3/part6.html
just 65 questions - nobody addressing them?
just locked on course down the road...
no turning back... straight into the barbecue.
they all bought the lie, we are monkeys..
I'm God's creation. i gave you the warning. I've fulfilled my duty.
I told you what was coming. but you all prefer to go over the cliff.
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In his posthumously-published Observations upon the Prophecies of Daniel, and the Apocalypse of St. John, Sir Isaac Newton expressed his belief that Bible prophecy would not be understood "until the time of the end", and that even then "none of the wicked shall understand". Referring to that as a future time ("the last age, the age of opening these things, be now approaching"), Newton also anticipated "the general preaching of the Gospel be approaching" and "the Gospel must first be preached in all nations before the great tribulation, and end of the world".[42]
Over the years, a large amount of media attention and public interest has circulated regarding largely unknown and unpublished documents, evidently written by Isaac Newton, that indicate he believed the world could end in 2060. While Newton also had many other possible dates (e.g. 2034)
2016 vs 2060
However, between the time he wrote his 2060 prediction (about 1704) until his death in 1727 Newton conversed, both first hand and by correspondence, with other famous theologians of his time. Those contemporaries who knew him during the remaining 23 years of his life appear to be in agreement that Newton, and the "best interpreters" including Jonathan Edwards (founder of Princeton), Robert Fleming, Moses Lowman, Phillip Doddridge, and Bishop Thomas Newton, were eventually "pretty well agreed" that the 1,260-year timeline should be calculated from the year 756 AD.[48]
F.A. Cox also confirmed that this was the view of Newton and others, including himself:
“The author adopts the hypothesis of Fleming, Sir Isaac Newton, and Lowman, that the 1260 years commenced in A.d. 756; and consequently that the millennium will not begin till the year 2016.”[49]
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Oct 1 2016 to September 23 2017 - the last jubilee year. on the jewish calendar year 5777.
the enemy at the top know it's coming - see above.
just locked on course down the road...
no turning back... straight into the barbecue.
they all bought the lie, we are monkeys..
I'm God's creation. i gave you the warning. I've fulfilled my duty.
I told you what was coming. but you all prefer to go over the cliff.
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In his posthumously-published Observations upon the Prophecies of Daniel, and the Apocalypse of St. John, Sir Isaac Newton expressed his belief that Bible prophecy would not be understood "until the time of the end", and that even then "none of the wicked shall understand". Referring to that as a future time ("the last age, the age of opening these things, be now approaching"), Newton also anticipated "the general preaching of the Gospel be approaching" and "the Gospel must first be preached in all nations before the great tribulation, and end of the world".[42]
Over the years, a large amount of media attention and public interest has circulated regarding largely unknown and unpublished documents, evidently written by Isaac Newton, that indicate he believed the world could end in 2060. While Newton also had many other possible dates (e.g. 2034)
2016 vs 2060
However, between the time he wrote his 2060 prediction (about 1704) until his death in 1727 Newton conversed, both first hand and by correspondence, with other famous theologians of his time. Those contemporaries who knew him during the remaining 23 years of his life appear to be in agreement that Newton, and the "best interpreters" including Jonathan Edwards (founder of Princeton), Robert Fleming, Moses Lowman, Phillip Doddridge, and Bishop Thomas Newton, were eventually "pretty well agreed" that the 1,260-year timeline should be calculated from the year 756 AD.[48]
F.A. Cox also confirmed that this was the view of Newton and others, including himself:
“The author adopts the hypothesis of Fleming, Sir Isaac Newton, and Lowman, that the 1260 years commenced in A.d. 756; and consequently that the millennium will not begin till the year 2016.”[49]
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Oct 1 2016 to September 23 2017 - the last jubilee year. on the jewish calendar year 5777.
the enemy at the top know it's coming - see above.
the economist - review of the forthcoming year - their predictions issue. for 2017.
Magazine owned by Rothschild, Cadbury, Schroder, Agnelli.
Darwin talks bull,the Apes we see today did not turn into humans.Laugh.how come that happened.?
Richard Lenski has been breeding e-coli for thirty years, 67,000 generations, he's still got e-coli. Some are better some are worse. But none have became another bacterium.
67,000 generations. (that's times x 20 years for humans, age you might have offspring) 1.34 million years equivalent time passing for humans.
1.34 million years, and nothing....?
Most species that have existed , of whatever size , would have lasted more than 67,000 generations without going extinct completely or the survivors evolving into something else. eg Tigers have existed exactly as they are now for 1.5 million years , 200,000 generations unchanged .
The creationist view seems to be 'if i don't see a fish evolve into a bird in my lifetime then it's proof evolution is a myth'.
1.34 M years ago the species ancestral to modern humans was H0mo erectus . Though some scientists - notably Milford Wolpoff - argue that was essentially the same species as us anyway ( not a widely accepted view)
67,000 generations. (that's times x 20 years for humans, age you might have offspring) 1.34 million years equivalent time passing for humans.
1.34 million years, and nothing....?
Most species that have existed , of whatever size , would have lasted more than 67,000 generations without going extinct completely or the survivors evolving into something else. eg Tigers have existed exactly as they are now for 1.5 million years , 200,000 generations unchanged .
The creationist view seems to be 'if i don't see a fish evolve into a bird in my lifetime then it's proof evolution is a myth'.
1.34 M years ago the species ancestral to modern humans was H0mo erectus . Though some scientists - notably Milford Wolpoff - argue that was essentially the same species as us anyway ( not a widely accepted view)
Can I address number 63 then. You state that the odds of 1 amino acid forming are 10 to the power of 260, ten with 260 zeroes running behind it – calculated by Francis Crick himself. As you sometimes tell us to look these things up or google it, i did. I couldn't find any reference of Crick saying this. The closest I got was that he actually said
“If a particular amino acid sequence was selected by chance, how rare an
event would that be?
“This is an easy exercise in combinatorials. Suppose the chain is about
two hundred amino acids long; this is, if anything, rather less than the average
length of proteins of all types. Since we have just twenty possibilities at each
place, the number of possibilities is twenty multiplied by itself some two hundred
times. This is conveniently written 20^200 and is approximately equal to 10^260, that
is, a one followed by 260 zeros!”
But this is very different to what you said, this refers to a chain of 200 amino acids not just 1 amino acid as you stated.
I also read that the simplest theorised self-replicating peptide is 32 amino acids long and would have a 1 in 10^40 chance of forming randomly which then got me thinking. how many opportunities have their been for a self-replicating peptide to form. When you talk of things having a 1 in 10^50 chance of occurring there seems to nothing mentioned of how many opportunities have been available and it seems to be assumed that there is just 1. A 1 in 10^40 chance if very unlikely if you have just 1 attempt but a bit more likely if you have 10^40 attempts. Let me ask you Zorro, if god hadn't intervened how many opportunities would there have been for the simplest form of self-replicating life to occur. 1? 97? 10^66? Wouldn't you agree this is an important factor to consider when referring to how unlikely something is to happen?
“If a particular amino acid sequence was selected by chance, how rare an
event would that be?
“This is an easy exercise in combinatorials. Suppose the chain is about
two hundred amino acids long; this is, if anything, rather less than the average
length of proteins of all types. Since we have just twenty possibilities at each
place, the number of possibilities is twenty multiplied by itself some two hundred
times. This is conveniently written 20^200 and is approximately equal to 10^260, that
is, a one followed by 260 zeros!”
But this is very different to what you said, this refers to a chain of 200 amino acids not just 1 amino acid as you stated.
I also read that the simplest theorised self-replicating peptide is 32 amino acids long and would have a 1 in 10^40 chance of forming randomly which then got me thinking. how many opportunities have their been for a self-replicating peptide to form. When you talk of things having a 1 in 10^50 chance of occurring there seems to nothing mentioned of how many opportunities have been available and it seems to be assumed that there is just 1. A 1 in 10^40 chance if very unlikely if you have just 1 attempt but a bit more likely if you have 10^40 attempts. Let me ask you Zorro, if god hadn't intervened how many opportunities would there have been for the simplest form of self-replicating life to occur. 1? 97? 10^66? Wouldn't you agree this is an important factor to consider when referring to how unlikely something is to happen?
indeed UA. crick uses it as a preface to argue for evolution.
i've already told zorro threes times about what's wrong with his using that line, and he still keeps posting it. As you point out, implicit in it, is a lack of understanding of even the most rudimentary biochemistry.
I would suggest your time is better spent elsewhere rather than trying to enter into what you might assume to be a reasonable discussion, which is the last thing it will be.
i've already told zorro threes times about what's wrong with his using that line, and he still keeps posting it. As you point out, implicit in it, is a lack of understanding of even the most rudimentary biochemistry.
I would suggest your time is better spent elsewhere rather than trying to enter into what you might assume to be a reasonable discussion, which is the last thing it will be.
tick tock - eternity awaits. six months to decide. then the window closes. place your bet. the soul is the stake. Do you want your inheritance or do you want the fire.
It's easy to see how they got you.
tick tock carrot and stick, tick tock pie in the sky.
Why are you so desperate for forgiveness? What did you do to be so frightened?
tick tock carrot and stick, tick tock pie in the sky.
Why are you so desperate for forgiveness? What did you do to be so frightened?
I'm not scared of man or beast.
i'm just smart enough to see the truth.
You believe Satan's lies. You are blinded by God.
you have not been chosen.
I just served the notice of what's coming.
Satan's side does the same.
both sides have given you the warning.
You don't have an excuse when the **** comes now.
it's like a notice sent thru the mail,
Ezekiel says i have to give a warning.
Sir Isaac Newton - arguably the smartest guy to have lived
wrote a million words on the book of Daniel and revelation.
He wasn't doing it out of a curiosity? he knew it was reality.
You've chosen to deny the maker all his rights.
He's not going to reward you for that. So you get the booby
prize of eternal quarantine.
You are hanging onto your sins as if they were a prize.
you don't want a rightful king with wisdom. You are content
with Satan's representatives.
Ted Heath, Castro,Mugabe,Hitler,Mussolini and Sturgeon? All the
fallible BS peddlers. Giving you one liners to cheer at.
six thousand years - the land lease runs out. the land reverts to
the original owner. God will take the land back and toss out the
squatters.
i'm just smart enough to see the truth.
You believe Satan's lies. You are blinded by God.
you have not been chosen.
I just served the notice of what's coming.
Satan's side does the same.
both sides have given you the warning.
You don't have an excuse when the **** comes now.
it's like a notice sent thru the mail,
Ezekiel says i have to give a warning.
Sir Isaac Newton - arguably the smartest guy to have lived
wrote a million words on the book of Daniel and revelation.
He wasn't doing it out of a curiosity? he knew it was reality.
You've chosen to deny the maker all his rights.
He's not going to reward you for that. So you get the booby
prize of eternal quarantine.
You are hanging onto your sins as if they were a prize.
you don't want a rightful king with wisdom. You are content
with Satan's representatives.
Ted Heath, Castro,Mugabe,Hitler,Mussolini and Sturgeon? All the
fallible BS peddlers. Giving you one liners to cheer at.
six thousand years - the land lease runs out. the land reverts to
the original owner. God will take the land back and toss out the
squatters.
Unfortunately, you don't realise how ridiculous that all sounds.
Satan is a religious mind game, it doesn't exist so how can it lie to me. Satan is a lie and a very effective one.
All religions define sin and the Christian definition is a particularly nasty one. You are a sinner for being born human. Think of the awful effect this has on the minds of those vulnerable to suggestion especially children. This religion invents sin so that it can save you, by believing the lies and doing their will.
Satan is a religious mind game, it doesn't exist so how can it lie to me. Satan is a lie and a very effective one.
All religions define sin and the Christian definition is a particularly nasty one. You are a sinner for being born human. Think of the awful effect this has on the minds of those vulnerable to suggestion especially children. This religion invents sin so that it can save you, by believing the lies and doing their will.
A little, simple question.
If God is all-knowing, all-powerful, the creator of everything etc etc, then WHY does he need to be praised and worshipped?
Is it an ego thing?
If God is all-knowing, all-powerful, the creator of everything etc etc, then WHY does he need to be praised and worshipped?
Is it an ego thing?
So why do we praise celebrities so much? They've done nothing in comparison.
God is the Groom and we are the Bride(figuratively, always have to watch with the Julian Clarey mob out there)
The bible is a love story but you don't see that. Satan is a minor figure. He is not in charge of Hell. He's another soon to be prisoner of it. He knows his days are numbered and wants to take as many with him to take them away from the presence of God. It's spite. He was God's favourite and now he's fallen from grace.
He's the power behind the king of Tyr. the power behind the thrones of earth. the 34th level of masons reveals that they worship Satan. Katy Perry, Gaga,Bowie and all the other ponces out there are telling you who they work for. They come out with it. They have interviews in which they tell you flat out they worship Satan. Are they making it up?
Are they just pretending because they keep it up for quite a while. Bowie told NME he was a satanist in an interview in the eighties. There are masses of interviews in which he admitted it. His wife even tells a story about Satan showing up at their house. These are your idols. These are the people that you listen to. That tell you what to think all day long. you plug in you earphones and travel to work, or down to the Band Q, listening to BLACKSTAR, a old witch's curse set to Bowie's music.
They are telling you that God is the bad guy. Satan is the good guy. (lucifer on fox)
They are telling you that the world does not need a God. (superman vs Batman)
Using wild fantasy programming to make it all seem ridiculous. because reality is boring.
Satan uses your dreams and fantasies to rule you. Reality belongs to God.
Google - David Bowie satanist. He's tried Buddhism, satanism, Christianity? he throws them all into the same bucket and stirs.
Do what Bowie is telling you to do - put on a blindfold and roll around.
there is no court case, no words that will be he heard in God's court. You don't get a lawyer. There is only one door to save yourself by. Jesus.
But you don't want that, so when it all crashes down, remember the defence you are putting up now. Remember who is putting you in your place for eternity. yourself.
by rejecting Jesus and accepting the God of this world over him.
the lease ends and the land will be taken off Satan. God gave Man the lease for 6000 years. Adam gave his authority to Satan when he did what Satan wanted in the Garden.
the lease ends and God will rule. The Groom and his Bride will rule for a thousand years. Then they will create a new heaven and a new earth and the old earth will pass away.
you want man to evolve, conquer the stars? I'm saying we leapfrog past all that in one generation. The universe is just a scroll. God created the dimensions. All the universe is just a means of forging new spirits that are eternal. You are passing up Roast chicken for spam fritters. No imagination. more potage brother Esau.
God is the Groom and we are the Bride(figuratively, always have to watch with the Julian Clarey mob out there)
The bible is a love story but you don't see that. Satan is a minor figure. He is not in charge of Hell. He's another soon to be prisoner of it. He knows his days are numbered and wants to take as many with him to take them away from the presence of God. It's spite. He was God's favourite and now he's fallen from grace.
He's the power behind the king of Tyr. the power behind the thrones of earth. the 34th level of masons reveals that they worship Satan. Katy Perry, Gaga,Bowie and all the other ponces out there are telling you who they work for. They come out with it. They have interviews in which they tell you flat out they worship Satan. Are they making it up?
Are they just pretending because they keep it up for quite a while. Bowie told NME he was a satanist in an interview in the eighties. There are masses of interviews in which he admitted it. His wife even tells a story about Satan showing up at their house. These are your idols. These are the people that you listen to. That tell you what to think all day long. you plug in you earphones and travel to work, or down to the Band Q, listening to BLACKSTAR, a old witch's curse set to Bowie's music.
They are telling you that God is the bad guy. Satan is the good guy. (lucifer on fox)
They are telling you that the world does not need a God. (superman vs Batman)
Using wild fantasy programming to make it all seem ridiculous. because reality is boring.
Satan uses your dreams and fantasies to rule you. Reality belongs to God.
Google - David Bowie satanist. He's tried Buddhism, satanism, Christianity? he throws them all into the same bucket and stirs.
Do what Bowie is telling you to do - put on a blindfold and roll around.
there is no court case, no words that will be he heard in God's court. You don't get a lawyer. There is only one door to save yourself by. Jesus.
But you don't want that, so when it all crashes down, remember the defence you are putting up now. Remember who is putting you in your place for eternity. yourself.
by rejecting Jesus and accepting the God of this world over him.
the lease ends and the land will be taken off Satan. God gave Man the lease for 6000 years. Adam gave his authority to Satan when he did what Satan wanted in the Garden.
the lease ends and God will rule. The Groom and his Bride will rule for a thousand years. Then they will create a new heaven and a new earth and the old earth will pass away.
you want man to evolve, conquer the stars? I'm saying we leapfrog past all that in one generation. The universe is just a scroll. God created the dimensions. All the universe is just a means of forging new spirits that are eternal. You are passing up Roast chicken for spam fritters. No imagination. more potage brother Esau.
So why do we praise celebrities so much?
Beats me zorro
All forms of idolatry are unhealthy.
Satan, God, Kim Il Sung, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, I see little difference when it comes to putting them on a pedestal. Communism and Nazism both became proxy religions complete with their cult leaders.
Beats me zorro
All forms of idolatry are unhealthy.
Satan, God, Kim Il Sung, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, I see little difference when it comes to putting them on a pedestal. Communism and Nazism both became proxy religions complete with their cult leaders.
BRAINWASHING, i've been accused a few times of this?
Nobody profits from my belief in Christ. (the groom).
here is a list of people who do profit from your brainwashing.
football fans and sport. tribal allegiances. shouts go up with a ball crossing a line?
teams formed by mining clubs now subsumed by billionaires. the working man controlled by indoctrination of the youth into a clan. To the point that Celtic and Rangers fans have killed each other. that referees have been executed after a 'game' in South America.
what do you want to be when you grow up? from the age of five I would be asked this question periodically by teachers. I never had an answer for this. When they ask it of children in Africa the top answer would be.. 'doctor' even when they cannot count to 100?
Children are told that their worth is in their 'job title'. If you don't achieve you are worthless. (is this brainwashing?)
Flags - you are told to be a good little soldier. be loyal to the nation you are born into? To fight to protect a border. Follow orders of a superior?
Politics - do you vote red or blue? all your life you associate your own values with men who put on flash suits and point with their thumbs? ridiculous clowns.
You are told what to like by advertisers.
Most people when it comes to art likes colour and texture. The CIA formed the american abstract art market post war. This is taught in art schools. So the next time you look at Rothko or Pollock think CIA manipulation. a hundred million a pop.
i personally hate Van Gogh oil paintings, his water colours are okay though.
All across the world people are making choices and forming sides. Behind it all I see the god of this world(satan) manipulating all of you, devaluing man into a monkey or a non essential component. Their precious jobs being replaced by bots. He pits A vs B and millions die. Years later nobody really understands why these conflicts happen. It's usually about resources or a patch of land that is meaningless.
I think my eyes are open. I think the rest of you are captured. Do as you are told. Follow the laws. Pay for life insurance so your wife can bury you? eat five a day. There's someone everyday on the news telling you what you should be doing.
how did you determine your favourite drink at the pub? did you test out all the drinks or did an advertiser tell you something was good?
Nobody profits from my belief in Christ. (the groom).
here is a list of people who do profit from your brainwashing.
football fans and sport. tribal allegiances. shouts go up with a ball crossing a line?
teams formed by mining clubs now subsumed by billionaires. the working man controlled by indoctrination of the youth into a clan. To the point that Celtic and Rangers fans have killed each other. that referees have been executed after a 'game' in South America.
what do you want to be when you grow up? from the age of five I would be asked this question periodically by teachers. I never had an answer for this. When they ask it of children in Africa the top answer would be.. 'doctor' even when they cannot count to 100?
Children are told that their worth is in their 'job title'. If you don't achieve you are worthless. (is this brainwashing?)
Flags - you are told to be a good little soldier. be loyal to the nation you are born into? To fight to protect a border. Follow orders of a superior?
Politics - do you vote red or blue? all your life you associate your own values with men who put on flash suits and point with their thumbs? ridiculous clowns.
You are told what to like by advertisers.
Most people when it comes to art likes colour and texture. The CIA formed the american abstract art market post war. This is taught in art schools. So the next time you look at Rothko or Pollock think CIA manipulation. a hundred million a pop.
i personally hate Van Gogh oil paintings, his water colours are okay though.
All across the world people are making choices and forming sides. Behind it all I see the god of this world(satan) manipulating all of you, devaluing man into a monkey or a non essential component. Their precious jobs being replaced by bots. He pits A vs B and millions die. Years later nobody really understands why these conflicts happen. It's usually about resources or a patch of land that is meaningless.
I think my eyes are open. I think the rest of you are captured. Do as you are told. Follow the laws. Pay for life insurance so your wife can bury you? eat five a day. There's someone everyday on the news telling you what you should be doing.
how did you determine your favourite drink at the pub? did you test out all the drinks or did an advertiser tell you something was good?
Yes, we are all susceptible to brainwashing, zorro, I agree with you. Doesn't make your brand of brainwashing any less real. You can claim that your being brainwashed is harmless to others but you can't claim that religions are harmless with perhaps the single exception of Jainism.
Most of what you wrote there is true, imo, zorro.
It's just the apportioning of the blame.
Personally I'd put virtually all of it down to the natural greed nearly all humans possess. (It's the lengths they go to, to get what they want that varies)
Advertisers, banks, governments, business owners, corporate workers (who earn loads), others who look to profit at any cost. all of it correct as you state.
It's just not necessarily not the fault of Christ or Satan. In fact if you took them out of the calculations completely, it doesn't change anything.
It's just the apportioning of the blame.
Personally I'd put virtually all of it down to the natural greed nearly all humans possess. (It's the lengths they go to, to get what they want that varies)
Advertisers, banks, governments, business owners, corporate workers (who earn loads), others who look to profit at any cost. all of it correct as you state.
It's just not necessarily not the fault of Christ or Satan. In fact if you took them out of the calculations completely, it doesn't change anything.
They killed Jesus for telling the Truth (what is truth?)
They give prizes out for telling lies. Just ask Milli Vanilli.
awards for dubious theories that are later revised and overturned.
They give prizes out for telling lies. Just ask Milli Vanilli.
awards for dubious theories that are later revised and overturned.
Adam is dated between 4004-3915 BC, by Jewish scholars. This being the year 5,777 in the Jewish calendar.
Earliest written language appears - 3400 BC. Egyptian glyphs 3200 Sumaria.(cuneiform)
your evilution BS line says this -
The oldest human remains from which an entire genome has been extracted belongs to Ust'-Ishim man, who lived about 45,000 years ago in Western Siberia.
Behavioral modernity—a suite of changes in **** sapiens behavior and cognition including abstract thinking, deep planning, symbolic behavior (e.g. art, ornamentation, music), exploitation of large game, and blade technology—is evident from around 40,000–50,000 years ago,and may have emerged abruptly then or may have arisen through gradual steps.However, it can and has been argued that **** sapiens have been fully capable of modern behavior from the time they first evolved. (200,000 years?)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatomically_modern_human
So they were like us 50,000-200,000 years ago and only started to scratch the dirt or clay in the last 6,000 years? Just when Adam and his genome entered the picture?
gee whiz another bible coincidence.
Earliest written language appears - 3400 BC. Egyptian glyphs 3200 Sumaria.(cuneiform)
your evilution BS line says this -
The oldest human remains from which an entire genome has been extracted belongs to Ust'-Ishim man, who lived about 45,000 years ago in Western Siberia.
Behavioral modernity—a suite of changes in **** sapiens behavior and cognition including abstract thinking, deep planning, symbolic behavior (e.g. art, ornamentation, music), exploitation of large game, and blade technology—is evident from around 40,000–50,000 years ago,and may have emerged abruptly then or may have arisen through gradual steps.However, it can and has been argued that **** sapiens have been fully capable of modern behavior from the time they first evolved. (200,000 years?)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatomically_modern_human
So they were like us 50,000-200,000 years ago and only started to scratch the dirt or clay in the last 6,000 years? Just when Adam and his genome entered the picture?
gee whiz another bible coincidence.
Still posting BS zorro?
Cave pictures appeared more than 25,000 years ago. Symbolic writing gradually developed at the time it was needed when man settled down to an agrarian lifestyle. it was used to record accounts and laws and yes mythological BS as we see with the early books of the bible.
Cave pictures appeared more than 25,000 years ago. Symbolic writing gradually developed at the time it was needed when man settled down to an agrarian lifestyle. it was used to record accounts and laws and yes mythological BS as we see with the early books of the bible.
The general public may think that the (Darwinian) science is settled but most people who take any time to consider it realise it's hokum, a fairy tale!
i think you are cracking foinavon.
did that one get to you.
6000 years RECORDED HISTORY....matches up with the bible.
year 5777 - jewish relious calendar.
no writings past adam at 3915 bc.
cave paintings yes, but no rainbows in cave paintings? why is that?
suns.moons,animals,handprints. etc. easy to draw a rainbow, one sweep of hand.
the rainbow is a striking sight. more than the moon or sun? every child draws rainbows.
did that one get to you.
6000 years RECORDED HISTORY....matches up with the bible.
year 5777 - jewish relious calendar.
no writings past adam at 3915 bc.
cave paintings yes, but no rainbows in cave paintings? why is that?
suns.moons,animals,handprints. etc. easy to draw a rainbow, one sweep of hand.
the rainbow is a striking sight. more than the moon or sun? every child draws rainbows.
One of the arguments for 'chance' occurrence of life is that yes, the odds were long, but the time available for was billions of years. Sadly for the Neo-Darwinists signs of life have now been discovered from over 4 billion years ago. The oft-quoted age of the earth is about 4.6 billion years so, well, there's a problem there for a start isn't there?
i think you are cracking foinavon.
You've got too much time on your hands, Zorro. You need to get a job, give you something constructive to do.
You've got too much time on your hands, Zorro. You need to get a job, give you something constructive to do.
how do they date life found at 4 billion years ago.... do you want to tell me? or is the line of crap too long? bluff statement.
I was not prepared to read the initial cut & paste post as it is a total f@@ing mess.
Is the Zorro theory that every star we observe is only 6000 years old? Or are these stars older.
If they are only a few thousand years they must be nearer to Earth than claimed or speed of light is a tad quicker than conventional science claims.
Is the Zorro theory that every star we observe is only 6000 years old? Or are these stars older.
If they are only a few thousand years they must be nearer to Earth than claimed or speed of light is a tad quicker than conventional science claims.
If you really want to know about paleobiology you can look it up. I doubt very much that you do.
Why don't we just cut out the middleman and you post your cretinist refutation? That's what you really want to do, isn't it?
Why don't we just cut out the middleman and you post your cretinist refutation? That's what you really want to do, isn't it?
i can live with the universe being any age. It's completely irrelevant. The bible does not set a date, an age of the universe. That's the fault of one American tribe in the deep south.
That's why Dawkin's travels there to make that point.
What the bible does say is that Adam was around 6000 years ago and by coincidence that's the time frame that man starts to think critically. He starts civilization. He begins to write.
History is made. critical thinking and the soul is introduced into the equation. the ascent of man.
That's why Dawkin's travels there to make that point.
What the bible does say is that Adam was around 6000 years ago and by coincidence that's the time frame that man starts to think critically. He starts civilization. He begins to write.
History is made. critical thinking and the soul is introduced into the equation. the ascent of man.
If someone is born with SIX fingers on each hand......do we embrace it as a sign of evolution.....NO we troll the poor fella until he/she has to chop it off to fit in 'society'...
Just think how good that guy couldve been on the old Joanna.
Just think how good that guy couldve been on the old Joanna.
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